alanbell

iTrader: (6)

Its not adout how big or whatever else fud is , He should get his money back.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I appreciate that, thankyou.

The 'Big' man is now showing himself up even further regarding this, sad days for Scoobynet, it really is

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...l#post11693376

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

Its in pay pals hands keep posting more and more bollox aint going to get your money any quicker.

You asked them for a refund have you got your money back ???If so send me my phone back if not guess they dont think its that straight forward hey.

Principles, I offered you a refund you just pay the postage we are both being stubborn and both think we are right this is what pay pal get paid for so lets leave it with them hey ....

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I don't see any bollox being posted, just coherent reponses to other posts.

Yes principals. As I said in my first post, you did offer to refund the phone, I have never said otherwise , however your exact term 'ill refund you in full minus my postal charges' , and then I would have pay to send it back. Not acceptable in my book as you, you mis sold an item, which has been pointed out by numerous folks, so you make sure the buyer is not out of pocket. Not entirely sure why I should fork out £15 for your mistake? Seems an odd thing to expect someone to do.

Thats what a decent human being would do. I didnt kick off, or rant, I wrote a perfectly calm thread not making any direct accusations. You started the 'wind' up. How is your Asda phone btw?

If you want to refund it now, and then organise the return, please do so, just give PayPal a tinkle and they will sort it out for you. End of stories then and we all move on.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

If a PayPal dispute has been opened then it's a moot point perpetuating things on here.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I can respond to any posts I feel like really.

I will keep this thread updated, for future knowledge of forum users.

A call to paypal to issue the refund, and then organise the delivery of the phone is possible at any time.

alanbell

iTrader: (6)

Hi Maz Should not come to this on a so called friendly forum ,

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I agree, I buy things off members here, as you'd like to think its a community as opposed to the scammers on facebook or ebay. My friend bought a phone off Peggy the other week through me, £500 and went A1. All happy.

I am aware that PayPal will only refund the money paid and not the return postal charge, the reason why the dispute was opened was to at least secure the original posting charge, which Fud said he would not refund. There was no malice in any of it, just security over that really.

But he still has a chance to put this right, and come out as a better man than he is portraying himself as.

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

Alan me and you have done deals many times back and forth no issues real men, We didn't run to pay pal So i 100% agree pay pal should not of got involved we would of come to some agreement as real men do, But the ***** went straight to pay pal soon as it didn't go 100% his way. Sorry life in this big world dont go 1 sided.

Now its not the phone,The postage its not the £130 its the fact from the second i put the phone up for sale he as been a 100% *****...

Ps do me 1 thing If pay pal say they will give you the money back plz let your mom keep the phone as the money and the phone means 0 to me .

Wont see me post again on this topic now ive said all that's got to be said ...

Yellow R

iTrader: (2)

Big Fud why you sell bloody no good phone eh, now he cry

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

As stated above, PayPal dispute was initiated to recover original postal charges that where refused. I do believe in the PM prior to that you told me to 'take it to paypal as you didnt have time to be sending pms back and forth', or words to that effect, so you essentially asked me to take it to paypal as you could'nt be bothered dealing with it.

alanbell

iTrader: (6)

LoL Ill shut up, good luck all.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

100% agree Alan
However there's no way Fud would sacrifice principle for a few quids postage. If you poke a hornets nest expect to be stung.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I don't believe Fud has any principals according to the evidence that has been presented. Evidence is fact remember.

So you are essentially saying, because he dosent have any principals, then attempting to 'force' him into creating some, means one would get stung? Interesting concept, to be honest, as much as the differences we have, i actually thought you had more intelligence than what those sentences portray.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Fud would take a bullet for his friends. That is how principled he is. Do you really think he'd tarnish his rep over a few quid?
I don't. That is my cast iron opinion, I'm not presenting it as fact or evidence. Furthermore stop misconstruing my words. I'm not here to grind axes and think this is a crappy situation for you both to be in.

bustaMOVEs

iTrader: (31)

Now this is what I guessed from the off, he's quick to waffle a loads of crap on a day to day basis, I don't even bother to read half the dudes posts as its just trolling in my book or attention seeking.
So yes, he deserves to stew IMO.
But I agree he has a right for refund so should of been more patient in sorting it out amicably instead of running to mummy n daddy (PayPal), joke btw.
It's gonna take a while now to get money back via PayPal too now as fud has a decent amount of days to respond and then PayPal will refund, but then it will be on hold again for about a week before actually cleared with trinity. Just FYI

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I am not his friend. It is evident though, a judgement based on evidence, that he is prepared to do such that regarding his rep, because he has done - thats no opinion, thats fact. But yes I agree, crappy situation for all involved.

Not quite how paypal works, you are almost correct, but I appreciate you attempting to advise.

As we have discussed, which if you had read the posts rather than not and making an uninformed decision, Fud told me to take it to paypal as he did not have time to send messages back and forth, and I also had to do this to secure the outgoing postage. He ASKED me to do this. I realise it would not secure the return, but I was happy to at least get the outgoing back.

Whatever you feel about a person is irrelavent, this situation is based on fact and evidence, thankfully not your opinion, but appreciate the time you have to comment anyway.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

This was added later on, I have only just read this.

If a refund is issued, the phone is not my property , it is yours, when you want to have it posted back please let me know or organise a courier, but it is more than likely they will require it posting back before the refund is issued, I knew I would lose out in this from the start, but I only lost out once on the return postage, not both return and outgoing.

It seems so odd you would lose the phone, but not prepared to just cover the postal charges.

It is what it is now.

bustaMOVEs

iTrader: (31)

It's what I said from the start that you should get full refund back but return postage is on you, which is what you'll get from PayPal anyway now.(I can't speak for fud).
I think you pissed fud off from the start with your attempt of 'trolling' which fud has said you were '100% *****' from the off soon as thread was started, hence him being like that with you.
Tbh I think I would of done simlar to teach you a lesson.
And yes your right, you'll need to send phone back before PayPal refund you 'at your cost signed for'.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I dont see me being a ***** in this thread, he saw his backside because I am in the right, thats whats actually happened.

No trolling, a little light humour at the start of the thread, and he still took the money for a misadvertised phone. So what you are saying, you would of done the same? misrepresented something, screwed someone, then say it was because PIOR to that purchase they where a price? Wow, shocking behaviour.

Teach me a lesson? Come on, don't TRY to look like a Neanderthal.

Yes, as I said from the start, I will lose out on return postage, but it secures the outgoing cost. If Fud is going to stand by a principal, then he will offer the funds for the return when he refunds what he is required to.

Guess we will wait and see how that transpires.

bustaMOVEs

iTrader: (31)

No, I wouldn't sell anything to you.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

Thank god for that , try not to sell anything to others either with your sentiments,

JGlanzaV

iTrader: (3)

Busta, FUD might be your mate or what ever, I dont know or care, but at the end of the day, if the phone is not as described why should someone else be out of pocket?

I wouldnt accept having to re-send at my cost tbh as it wasnt my fault that the item was like that. The liability rests with the seller to sell "in good faith and as described" within the distance selling regulations.

This applies to all transactions, not just commercial. There is also other legislation which will elaborate more. Items should be fit for purpose, and if defective the responsibility is with the seller to rectify the issue.

Return postage is to be covered by the seller in the event of a mis-sold/defective etc item, if it is a change of heart or an exchange then yes the buyer has a responsibility to cover the return postage.

And to be honest, if it is "so silly" and FUD doesnt have time for this "bollox" then why not just give the guy his £7quid back too and put it down to experience, all it has done is cause stress and arguments that it sounds like he could have done with out.

Then if these two ever meet at something in real life they can buy each other a beer and shake hands and forget about it. Once the kangaroo court get involved is where the issues start,....

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

This thread is gold.

Meet the world with a smile and it smiles back at you.

Act like a **** and you'll get treated like one.

I didn't for one minute think that it was about the money on Fuds part.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

Yes I agree, he got shown up, and now he has to find ways to restore his ego using other things to prove his 'worth' to his buddies. Quite astonishing how some of you are manipulated though, but I think, intelligence has never been a strong point for some on here.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

Thanks for the above, I appreciate the comments and thoughts, cheers

Maz

iTrader: (34)

And this is why most people think you're a tw@t. Defensive, insulting and full of your own self importance.

Trinity

iTrader: (28)

I have no concern of what you or anyone else might think to be honest.

I am defensive because I have to be against your 'team', I do believe the first 'insults' thrown around were by your 'friend', and self importance? Well when you are the victim of a crime, self importance because the focal point, it would for you, if say your house was burgled etc

Again, just because this situation has been proved time and time again who is at fault, you all now are out of answers, so you have started the personal attacks. Always a big loss when people start to do that, it just strengthens the situation in my favour.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

No you're just a ***** who doesn't like being contradicted. Who thinks the gospel is according to him and who isn't very streetwise. Welcome to the real world it doesn't quite work like that. Victim of crime? I think you'd best clarify your distinction between criminal and civil law.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Just so we're clear, I don't know Fud personally, he's just one of many people I have had a small amount of interaction with on here, much like I have with you, only difference is I came to the conclusion that he's a decent enough chap, as far as that's possible under the circumstances and I have already told you on another thread what my opinion is of you.

Intelligence has many forms, you lack the intelligence to be gracious in the face of a mis-understanding and then rubbed him up the wrong way as you do with many on here, purporting to to be intelligent and lording it over others who may or may not have the same level of literacy as yourself shows a distinct lack of intelligence to my mind.

Here you are once more telling us all how clever you are, suggesting that you are somehow superior to many of us whilst exhibiting crass stupidity for not actually getting some decent photographs of the phone in question, then parting with your money and b1tching that it's not what you expected

Now the manner in which you have conducted yourself during the whole process that has led you to this situation doesn't exactly shout intelligence to me AND after all of this carry on you're still going to have to pay to return the phone.

You should contact MENSA and inform them of your genius level of intelligence.