Should we take on more assylum seekers
05 September 2015, 09:02 AM
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05 September 2015, 11:37 AM
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Yep, I'm sure that we would be happy with the Anglo-French initiative.........oh......wait......Mrs Alcazar would tear anyone who tried a new @rsehole.
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Seen today on t'internet in two different places, the little boy who downed, they were already settled in Turkey, fled Syria years ago, the father dicided to come to the west for a better life again, so paid for the boat.
We really need to stop believing what the media tells/shows us and start prosecuting those who put their families in danger. We could start with that guy who threw his wife and baby off a railway platform last week.
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Seen today on t'internet in two different places, the little boy who downed, they were already settled in Turkey, fled Syria years ago, the father dicided to come to the west for a better life again, so paid for the boat.
We really need to stop believing what the media tells/shows us and start prosecuting those who put their families in danger. We could start with that guy who threw his wife and baby off a railway platform last week.
05 September 2015, 12:34 PM
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A week ago no one really wanted the immigrants trying to get into the country Most people, realised we could not afford them or have space /houses /schools /nhs and general infrastructure for them
People, watched on tv well dressed males trying To break into wagons and trailers and cut through fences ,delays and general mayhem
It all changed a couple of days ago when the sad picture of a toddler washed up on the beach and everyone jumped onto the
We must save the immigrants bandwagon
If you look at the some 300k signatures they will 'mostly '
be middle class /
retired /
church going /
fairtrade supporting
/no morgage
/ 2 sensible cars
/ well behaved grandchildren /
water butt and solar panelled /
Tory voting
( or green party )
Middle class people living in wealthy leafy suburbs
Sort of people but how many will like if if the immigrant moved into their own villages
I'm sure they would be the first to ring their local parish council Clarks to complain when the immigrants realise the benefits they revcieve will need to be supplemented
That how media works sell papers and headlines but they never post pages of 4500 ex servicemen living rough in the streets or disabled people and people caught in the bedroom taxes or people struggleing with concil cutbacks
Let's look at sorting out our own problems in the uk before inviting more in to the country
Why does the rich Arab states not take them in ?
And how many Muslims extremists will be working they way in to the county to wreak havok woth terrorist strikes soon ?
People, watched on tv well dressed males trying To break into wagons and trailers and cut through fences ,delays and general mayhem
It all changed a couple of days ago when the sad picture of a toddler washed up on the beach and everyone jumped onto the
We must save the immigrants bandwagon
If you look at the some 300k signatures they will 'mostly '
be middle class /
retired /
church going /
fairtrade supporting
/no morgage
/ 2 sensible cars
/ well behaved grandchildren /
water butt and solar panelled /
Tory voting
( or green party )
Middle class people living in wealthy leafy suburbs
Sort of people but how many will like if if the immigrant moved into their own villages
I'm sure they would be the first to ring their local parish council Clarks to complain when the immigrants realise the benefits they revcieve will need to be supplemented
That how media works sell papers and headlines but they never post pages of 4500 ex servicemen living rough in the streets or disabled people and people caught in the bedroom taxes or people struggleing with concil cutbacks
Let's look at sorting out our own problems in the uk before inviting more in to the country
Why does the rich Arab states not take them in ?
And how many Muslims extremists will be working they way in to the county to wreak havok woth terrorist strikes soon ?
05 September 2015, 04:01 PM
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This whole situation really is unbelievable. Even Germany is saying only 20% of the migrants claiming asylum are from Syria, and the fact that the vast majority are males of working age it should be obvious even to naive liberals that the majority are economic migrants jumping on the bandwagon. Yes there are clearly some cases of human suffering, but many others are also playing the game - they don't seem too happy to settle in poorer EU countries, they want to get to the richest ones like Germany, and ones with families are quick to hold up babies to the cameras and signs asking 'where are our human rights?' to get the liberal hearts bleeding.
The fact Germany is giving the green light to accepting migrants will be a green light to millions in poorer countries that all they need to do is get to Europe. Germany accept 800,000 this year, then 2 million next year, then 3 million - where does it end? What strain will it have on social services, healthcare, eduction, competition for jobs, housing?
It's like Europe is a boat full of people, and all around are people drowning. You want to let some climb aboard, but if you let too many on the boat sinks.
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05 September 2015, 04:35 PM
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It takes 5 years plus to get a passport after having ACTUALLY secured asylum
- honestly the level of ignorance , deliberate or otherwise is astounding
By then "Europe" probably won't even exist
- honestly the level of ignorance , deliberate or otherwise is astounding
By then "Europe" probably won't even exist
05 September 2015, 04:51 PM
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It clearly is, where do I ever state a timescale on how long it takes to secure a passport? The level of naivety of people like yourself is staggering.
05 September 2015, 05:21 PM
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read this on the net just now. just about sum's it up isn't it strange how none of the arab/muslim state's haven't taken any
Weve all seen 'that' picture of the dead little boy and it plays on the hearts and minds of many people. Myself included. Exactly what it's meant to do. Media doing what it does best. Now please take a good look at this picture I've posted..... and tell me why it happened. If they are only wanting safety and to flee a war torn country then why didnt his parents stay in anyone of these on the map. Then remember that 'your opinion is based on the facts you have' so based on the facts i have....if I told you that his parents were already in a 'safer' country and they were trying to get to Greece to eventually get to Canada. It WASNT A FLEE TO SAFETY at all it was a ****ing life style choice. But it gets played as something else. I have seen fractions of this immigration first hand while sat for 4 hrs in traffic at Calais. Where.....for those 4 hrs I watched people breaking into trucks then i had my van kicked....and spat on and I was threatened and intimidated by men and women and laughed at by children thinking it funny. What a different picture that would make. But, not a big deal I hear you say.....no...maybe not but what about if it was you sat in your car with your children or when they are here in England robbing you or your elderly neighbours or children in the street....breaking into your homes, your car's, your businesses etc....stealing your pets from your gardens. Doing anything it takes to survive. Will you still support them then....after all its only another degree of desperation isnt it...... you forgive them and offer sympathy for risking their kids lives but would you still forgive them for robbing you to feed the same children? If it was a choice between your safety and your 3 year old sons or daughters safety.....WHICH WOULD YOU CHOSE? And before anyone makes the obvious comment....I'm not saying that every single immigrant is a criminal but if desperation drives you to risk your own and your child's life, then what else will it make you do......a desperate person is a dangerous person. Make your comments but please have a good read first and think. I know these people need help...I'm not denying that but we have enough of our own issues going on, when other countries like the UAE, Dubai, Saudi have wealth beyond belief and enough land/space for 10's of thousands of people and yet they do nothing and get away with it....they just say NO and that's that. Look at the poor migrants who have successfully made it to Hungary....nice and safe and could settle but why don't they want to.....cos Hungary have a poor economy and they want to get to Germany. ......ANOTHER ****ING LIFESTYLE CHOICE. DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE SYMPATHY PROPAGANDA. Cos in 5/10 years when England is ****ed. YOU....THE SYMPATHETIC ONES WILL BE TO BLAME.
Weve all seen 'that' picture of the dead little boy and it plays on the hearts and minds of many people. Myself included. Exactly what it's meant to do. Media doing what it does best. Now please take a good look at this picture I've posted..... and tell me why it happened. If they are only wanting safety and to flee a war torn country then why didnt his parents stay in anyone of these on the map. Then remember that 'your opinion is based on the facts you have' so based on the facts i have....if I told you that his parents were already in a 'safer' country and they were trying to get to Greece to eventually get to Canada. It WASNT A FLEE TO SAFETY at all it was a ****ing life style choice. But it gets played as something else. I have seen fractions of this immigration first hand while sat for 4 hrs in traffic at Calais. Where.....for those 4 hrs I watched people breaking into trucks then i had my van kicked....and spat on and I was threatened and intimidated by men and women and laughed at by children thinking it funny. What a different picture that would make. But, not a big deal I hear you say.....no...maybe not but what about if it was you sat in your car with your children or when they are here in England robbing you or your elderly neighbours or children in the street....breaking into your homes, your car's, your businesses etc....stealing your pets from your gardens. Doing anything it takes to survive. Will you still support them then....after all its only another degree of desperation isnt it...... you forgive them and offer sympathy for risking their kids lives but would you still forgive them for robbing you to feed the same children? If it was a choice between your safety and your 3 year old sons or daughters safety.....WHICH WOULD YOU CHOSE? And before anyone makes the obvious comment....I'm not saying that every single immigrant is a criminal but if desperation drives you to risk your own and your child's life, then what else will it make you do......a desperate person is a dangerous person. Make your comments but please have a good read first and think. I know these people need help...I'm not denying that but we have enough of our own issues going on, when other countries like the UAE, Dubai, Saudi have wealth beyond belief and enough land/space for 10's of thousands of people and yet they do nothing and get away with it....they just say NO and that's that. Look at the poor migrants who have successfully made it to Hungary....nice and safe and could settle but why don't they want to.....cos Hungary have a poor economy and they want to get to Germany. ......ANOTHER ****ING LIFESTYLE CHOICE. DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE SYMPATHY PROPAGANDA. Cos in 5/10 years when England is ****ed. YOU....THE SYMPATHETIC ONES WILL BE TO BLAME.
05 September 2015, 05:36 PM
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it's only what i read, no economic migrants/ people fleeing war have been taken in by uae dubai saudi etc, ironic thing is isis said a few years back we will flood europe with hundreds of thousands of migrants to cause europe financial hardship, and some of them will be members os isis seems like its about to come true
05 September 2015, 08:04 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-in-Syria.html
Looks like Russia is getting serious in its efforts to back the Assad regime in Syria, in other words combating ISIS. Military advisors and possibly unofficially combat troops on the ground, and an Airbase being established to mount airstrikes from.
I find it somewhat strange that the US/EU are making so little effort to combat ISIS despite the obvious problems this civil war is causing, and the brutality of ISIS. Russia have been an ally of Assad for some time, and besides selling them weapons they potentially have an interest in ensuring a gas pipeline is NOT built across Syria from the Middle East to Europe through Syria as this would be massive competition for Russian gas supplies to Europe, but I'm not really sure if the Americans have some sort of interest in letting ISIS continue. ISIS are after all in part born out of CIA efforts to overthrow the Assad regime by supplying the anti-Assad rebels with weapons and training.
Looks like Russia is getting serious in its efforts to back the Assad regime in Syria, in other words combating ISIS. Military advisors and possibly unofficially combat troops on the ground, and an Airbase being established to mount airstrikes from.
I find it somewhat strange that the US/EU are making so little effort to combat ISIS despite the obvious problems this civil war is causing, and the brutality of ISIS. Russia have been an ally of Assad for some time, and besides selling them weapons they potentially have an interest in ensuring a gas pipeline is NOT built across Syria from the Middle East to Europe through Syria as this would be massive competition for Russian gas supplies to Europe, but I'm not really sure if the Americans have some sort of interest in letting ISIS continue. ISIS are after all in part born out of CIA efforts to overthrow the Assad regime by supplying the anti-Assad rebels with weapons and training.
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06 September 2015, 12:26 AM
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read this on the net just now. just about sum's it up isn't it strange how none of the arab/muslim state's haven't taken any
Weve all seen 'that' picture of the dead little boy and it plays on the hearts and minds of many people. Myself included. Exactly what it's meant to do. Media doing what it does best. Now please take a good look at this picture I've posted..... and tell me why it happened. If they are only wanting safety and to flee a war torn country then why didnt his parents stay in anyone of these on the map. Then remember that 'your opinion is based on the facts you have' so based on the facts i have....if I told you that his parents were already in a 'safer' country and they were trying to get to Greece to eventually get to Canada. It WASNT A FLEE TO SAFETY at all it was a ****ing life style choice. But it gets played as something else. I have seen fractions of this immigration first hand while sat for 4 hrs in traffic at Calais. Where.....for those 4 hrs I watched people breaking into trucks then i had my van kicked....and spat on and I was threatened and intimidated by men and women and laughed at by children thinking it funny. What a different picture that would make. But, not a big deal I hear you say.....no...maybe not but what about if it was you sat in your car with your children or when they are here in England robbing you or your elderly neighbours or children in the street....breaking into your homes, your car's, your businesses etc....stealing your pets from your gardens. Doing anything it takes to survive. Will you still support them then....after all its only another degree of desperation isnt it...... you forgive them and offer sympathy for risking their kids lives but would you still forgive them for robbing you to feed the same children? If it was a choice between your safety and your 3 year old sons or daughters safety.....WHICH WOULD YOU CHOSE? And before anyone makes the obvious comment....I'm not saying that every single immigrant is a criminal but if desperation drives you to risk your own and your child's life, then what else will it make you do......a desperate person is a dangerous person. Make your comments but please have a good read first and think. I know these people need help...I'm not denying that but we have enough of our own issues going on, when other countries like the UAE, Dubai, Saudi have wealth beyond belief and enough land/space for 10's of thousands of people and yet they do nothing and get away with it....they just say NO and that's that. Look at the poor migrants who have successfully made it to Hungary....nice and safe and could settle but why don't they want to.....cos Hungary have a poor economy and they want to get to Germany. ......ANOTHER ****ING LIFESTYLE CHOICE. DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE SYMPATHY PROPAGANDA. Cos in 5/10 years when England is ****ed. YOU....THE SYMPATHETIC ONES WILL BE TO BLAME.
Weve all seen 'that' picture of the dead little boy and it plays on the hearts and minds of many people. Myself included. Exactly what it's meant to do. Media doing what it does best. Now please take a good look at this picture I've posted..... and tell me why it happened. If they are only wanting safety and to flee a war torn country then why didnt his parents stay in anyone of these on the map. Then remember that 'your opinion is based on the facts you have' so based on the facts i have....if I told you that his parents were already in a 'safer' country and they were trying to get to Greece to eventually get to Canada. It WASNT A FLEE TO SAFETY at all it was a ****ing life style choice. But it gets played as something else. I have seen fractions of this immigration first hand while sat for 4 hrs in traffic at Calais. Where.....for those 4 hrs I watched people breaking into trucks then i had my van kicked....and spat on and I was threatened and intimidated by men and women and laughed at by children thinking it funny. What a different picture that would make. But, not a big deal I hear you say.....no...maybe not but what about if it was you sat in your car with your children or when they are here in England robbing you or your elderly neighbours or children in the street....breaking into your homes, your car's, your businesses etc....stealing your pets from your gardens. Doing anything it takes to survive. Will you still support them then....after all its only another degree of desperation isnt it...... you forgive them and offer sympathy for risking their kids lives but would you still forgive them for robbing you to feed the same children? If it was a choice between your safety and your 3 year old sons or daughters safety.....WHICH WOULD YOU CHOSE? And before anyone makes the obvious comment....I'm not saying that every single immigrant is a criminal but if desperation drives you to risk your own and your child's life, then what else will it make you do......a desperate person is a dangerous person. Make your comments but please have a good read first and think. I know these people need help...I'm not denying that but we have enough of our own issues going on, when other countries like the UAE, Dubai, Saudi have wealth beyond belief and enough land/space for 10's of thousands of people and yet they do nothing and get away with it....they just say NO and that's that. Look at the poor migrants who have successfully made it to Hungary....nice and safe and could settle but why don't they want to.....cos Hungary have a poor economy and they want to get to Germany. ......ANOTHER ****ING LIFESTYLE CHOICE. DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE SYMPATHY PROPAGANDA. Cos in 5/10 years when England is ****ed. YOU....THE SYMPATHETIC ONES WILL BE TO BLAME.
06 September 2015, 12:40 AM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-in-Syria.html
Looks like Russia is getting serious in its efforts to back the Assad regime in Syria, in other words combating ISIS. Military advisors and possibly unofficially combat troops on the ground, and an Airbase being established to mount airstrikes from.
I find it somewhat strange that the US/EU are making so little effort to combat ISIS despite the obvious problems this civil war is causing, and the brutality of ISIS. Russia have been an ally of Assad for some time, and besides selling them weapons they potentially have an interest in ensuring a gas pipeline is NOT built across Syria from the Middle East to Europe through Syria as this would be massive competition for Russian gas supplies to Europe, but I'm not really sure if the Americans have some sort of interest in letting ISIS continue. ISIS are after all in part born out of CIA efforts to overthrow the Assad regime by supplying the anti-Assad rebels with weapons and training.
Looks like Russia is getting serious in its efforts to back the Assad regime in Syria, in other words combating ISIS. Military advisors and possibly unofficially combat troops on the ground, and an Airbase being established to mount airstrikes from.
I find it somewhat strange that the US/EU are making so little effort to combat ISIS despite the obvious problems this civil war is causing, and the brutality of ISIS. Russia have been an ally of Assad for some time, and besides selling them weapons they potentially have an interest in ensuring a gas pipeline is NOT built across Syria from the Middle East to Europe through Syria as this would be massive competition for Russian gas supplies to Europe, but I'm not really sure if the Americans have some sort of interest in letting ISIS continue. ISIS are after all in part born out of CIA efforts to overthrow the Assad regime by supplying the anti-Assad rebels with weapons and training.
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06 September 2015, 01:57 AM
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nothing i didn't write it, the first line of my post explain's it was something i had read, if however the boot was on the other foot, and i as a family decided we have had enough of working for **** all in the uk, and packed our bags bought a people carrier and fecked off to sweden or germany and tryed to claim anything until i could find a job with any of the bearing companies i wonder what would happen, i think the point made by the poster of what i put up meant that, when they get to hungary they are already safe, but that isn't good enough they want more so off to a better country they go
06 September 2015, 10:21 AM
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Yep, I'm sure that we would be happy with the Anglo-French initiative.........oh......wait......Mrs Alcazar would tear anyone who tried a new @rsehole.
LOL
Seen today on t'internet in two different places, the little boy who downed, they were already settled in Turkey, fled Syria years ago, the father dicided to come to the west for a better life again, so paid for the boat.
We really need to stop believing what the media tells/shows us and start prosecuting those who put their families in danger. We could start with that guy who threw his wife and baby off a railway platform last week.
LOL
Seen today on t'internet in two different places, the little boy who downed, they were already settled in Turkey, fled Syria years ago, the father dicided to come to the west for a better life again, so paid for the boat.
We really need to stop believing what the media tells/shows us and start prosecuting those who put their families in danger. We could start with that guy who threw his wife and baby off a railway platform last week.
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06 September 2015, 10:35 AM
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Really , So Kobani isn't a war zone , and everything is working normally ?
There's absolutely millions of em I'm Turkey , id go somewhere else given the opportunity, especially the west
There's absolutely millions of em I'm Turkey , id go somewhere else given the opportunity, especially the west
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06 September 2015, 12:20 PM
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But don't answer that, answer this instead. If and when the dust has settled, IS are no longer a threat, and internal stability and peace finally return to Syria (after Assad is kicked out or some sort of deal is reached between him and the oppoosition), what proportion of those who fled do you think will want to or try to go back to their former homes there? Also, do you think that proportion will be any different for those who came to Europe than those who stayed put in Jordan, Turkey or any other countries actually on Syria's border?
06 September 2015, 12:25 PM
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I think a fair proportion will want to go back , when they realise what its actually like being a refugee in Europe . That'll be a long time though
06 September 2015, 01:52 PM
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And who will pay to repatriate them? Us of course.
We've given Syria £1billion this year...that's more than any other EIGHT EC countries combined, apparently.
Yet THEY are pointing the finger at us for not accepting more economic migrants.
We've given Syria £1billion this year...that's more than any other EIGHT EC countries combined, apparently.
Yet THEY are pointing the finger at us for not accepting more economic migrants.
06 September 2015, 03:07 PM
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Look the simple answer is no.we are full.This country is already bursting with people,i do not understand why we compare ourselves to much bigger country's who can accommodate the masses.