Oh, OK.

I wish him well, but I cannot say that what he did was well. It was very unwell. I also find a lot of acts of JC unwell, but that doesn't make me not wish him well- not at all. So, your opinion analysis on the basis of gender is a fail.

 

Ok, sure, as these premeditating problems have not been looked at, it can happen again. However rather than repeatedly say this is childish, inexcusable one should look at why it happened rather than just cite the person involved being childish. If that were truly the case the show would have only lasted a few series and ended ten years ago.

Are you denying there is a degradation in staff moral and deterioration of working conditions? Or are you ignoring it because its probably inconvenient to acknowledge its influences.

An assessment and realisation of the fundamental problems of working practices when making TG is required rather than just solely outcast staff. Nobody learns from the latter and it won't improve working conditions or moral, just worsen it.

I'm sure JC's book will account for some bad blood in the past if its allowed past the print lawyers. Argentina for example, seems to be a sore subject when looking at the off-screen body language.

Andy Wilman's own account saying on record that year was a "annus horribilis", indicates there were problems with the production of TG during that year. This I believe is in association with crew leaking footage not meant for public broadcast, and scrutiny from BBC chiefs coinciding with bad press via Ofcom and anti-racism bodies. If footage not meant for public viewing is leaked, this indicates a serious problem well before Argentina and any fisticuffs. A proper investigation would look into this.

I vote Gordon Ramsey to be brought in to Top Gear, not nessercerily as a presenter, but as a test subject to oversea and ensure the working practices in the production team are ok. "Ramsey's Top Gear nightmare"/ He's childish, abusive, but hasn't hit any of his production crew (that we know of, at least )

 

Well, like I've said before. At least now Clarkson can go back to making decent Christmas DVD's before they became just another extended Top Gear episode.

Best one was the one testing cars on track with Richard Burns and Tim Harvey.

 

No. I never denied that. What I say is that we do not know yet whether conditions were that bad, so that cannot be ruled in at all unless it's ruled in by JC or his other colleagues themselves. Even if they were, why didn't the other two go mad at that Oisin or some other bloke? If they can handle it, why couldn't JC?

He has already, in a way, said today that his personal and health problems are to blame for. He hasn't yet blamed his work conditions and described them to be as bad as some sweat shop factory conditions. I understand about him being on the verge with what he presents, but I don't think it's excusable. That's what I say.

I also would like to say that hope he has learnt something from this incident. It's not good to invite a green signal abruptly, and deprive your fans of TG that they used to wait all week for. Hope he writes about that in his book.

Yeah, you're entitled to your view upon who you want brought in. I personally am not so keen on Ramsey either. He needs to improve on his communication skills.

 

Simples: Straw that broke the camel's back. In any workplace or even relationships with issues there are plenty that just keep their heads down and go with the motions. However every once in a while one person will snap. To what degree nobody will predict, as once a person has lost control of their emotions its got to far out of hand, violence usually ensues be it at someone.......



.....or something.......

 

You don't yet know about any straw that was put on the camel's back, by his work; to ultimately break it. And yes, there's always one awkward one, but it doesn't mean we let him off.

I still hope that he sincerely apologises to all TG fans to fvvk it up for them, in his Christmas book. That's regardless of him making even a better new programme.

 

That may all be true - but in the context of this case, what has that got to do with the BBC

Is Topgear made by the BBC, or is is a third party production company

Surely if it is made by a third party production company, THEY not the BBC are responsible for all that "fluffy" boll0x

 

In that case the BBC should not have been involved in anything that happens off screen. Yet they did get involved.

 

Lol, whilst the BBC should not concerned be concerned with "fluffy" staff morale issues at a third party production company (that is one of the reason organisations outsource stuff)

I think as a public body they have duty of care over violence in the workplace

Not rocket science is it

 

Jeremy Clarkson's gaffes

July 2008: Drink-driving - BBC bosses told Clarkson off for supping a gin and tonic while behind the wheel of a pick-up truck
November 2008: Lorry drivers - With reference to convicted killer Steve Wright, Clarkson joked on the show about how lorry drivers "murder prostitutes"
February 2009: Gordon Brown - The then prime minister was dismissed as a "one-eyed Scottish idiot" during a press conference in Australia.
October 2009: Black Muslim Lesbians - Clarkson said that the BBC was obsessed with hiring black, Muslim lesbians to counter the number of white heterosexuals in its ranks.
July 2010: Burkas and lingerie - During a Top Gear discussion on distractions while driving: “Honestly, the burka doesn’t work. I was in a cab in Piccadilly the other day when a woman in a full burka crossing the road in front of me tripped over the pavement, went head over heels and up it came, red g-string and stockings.”
August 2010: Special needs - Clarkson referred to a Ferrari as 'special needs' and a 'simpleton' as a way of giving it a bad review.
February 2011: Mexico - Clarkson sparked a diplomatic incident, and was forced to apologise to the Mexican ambassador
January 2012: India - Viewers complained about Clarkson's provocative remarks concerning the country's clothing, trains, food and history.
May 2014: The 'N'-word - Clarkson was forced into a apology after appearing to mumble the word as he sang a nursery rhyme on Top Gear.
July 2014: Slope - Ofcom said he had breached their guidelines, when he referred to an Asian person as a 'slope',
October 2014: Falklands - Jeremy Clarkson caused offence this time by driving through Argentina using a number plate apparently referring to the Falklands War.

 

lol

 

That first one is hardly a gaff, they were within the arctic circle ffs.

 

I don't see all these as gaffes, they are no different to what some comedians might say. Whilst some people would find some or all of them distasteful, others find them funny.

 

TBH reading as a list of "guilt" shows up how light hearted the majority of it actually is. The majority of it just shows how easily the far left are "offended".
Honestly if someone had said back in the 80's that a nation would be offended by a ****ing number plate nobody would have believed it.

Do we honestly live in a world where we defend a mob throwing bricks over someone who causes a stir with a number plate. Madness.

Producer Wilman has also left the show. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32437814

 

I agree with you on all but he Falklands thing. Of course a mob hurling stones at people is not the answer, but I really do think whoever came up with the idea of the numberplate needs their head examined.

The place they were heading to was the home of a lot of families who lost one of their loved ones through a dubious act of war while they were just doing their job.

Rightly or wrongly the feeling of anger (I believe, from what I have read, towards both the UK government and their own military leaders at the time) over it remains for them and I think it a was a deeply unfunny episode in what generally was a good TV series with a keen sense of how far to push the envelope over taking the mickey out of other countries, cultures and creeds.

 

They should have just suspended him. Now they've effectively lost the most commercially successful show they produce.

 

So, as predicted, we shall be seeing the remaining episodes in some cobbled together fashion sometime soon. ( probably xmas )

If Offended of Pinner doesn't object

 

Saw on Sky News today that, unsurprisingly, all three presenters are in talks regarding a Netflix deal for a 'new' show...

 

He's alive

 

I totally agree. The Duke of Edinburgh (Chooky Embra) has come up with much better (or worse) gaffes than that. We didn't see him getting sacked as the Queen's consort.

 

Without Willman. Top Gear is officially dead.

I'll give Kim Shillinglaw the benefit of the doubt...but she has pretty much no track record in this kind of genre and hasn't really produced anything noteworthy enough to be given the task of replacing a show with a such a huge audience and commercial success.

 

It's not a case of how easily people are offended, or that you could see the same (and worse) jokes at the comedy store, it that he did it on national television. It is a motoring program (of sorts) and will be watched by a large amount of people with disparate beilefs, ethnicity etc.

I went to see Gerry Sadowitz, I knew what I was going to see. I laughed my **** off. That doesn't mean that his brand of humour is suitable for broadcast on national TV.

As for 'the left', why on earth do you think that? Almost every old person I know depise Clarkson, and not many of them are on the left......

 

Thing is...that 928 was registered with that plate. The Vosa details confirm this on our own parts/invoicing system (FYi: its called "Autowork"...I enter reg. number and up come the vehicle details, including year of registration)

Just think about it, how many manual 928s out there that are cheap yet roadworthy? They are like hens teeth. When you go out buy a car you can't search car sales listing by the reg number.

Then go along the lines of maybe the plate was purchased and transfered on to it. OK. how would you go about finding that plate to purchase? Its a three numeral, three letter prefix age-related plate. That just so happens to be the exact same year the 928 was first registered (30 May 1991)?

On the face of it the plate did look intentional and I would have been first to throw that acusation. But actaully it is the plate that belongs to that car.

It really was pure coincidence. That that car had that plate. What you could argue about is if they spotted that coincidence before they went out on the trip to Argentina.

 

The BBC or rather someone at the BBC came out and said in the last few days that whilst Clarkson's contract was not renewed it doesn't mean he can never work for the BBC again. I think they might be grasping at straws there because after all that has happened I can't believe for a second he will ever return to the BBC.

 

Sorry, I disagree. As per the list above, the 'gaffs' as some people like to call them have been going on for years. If you tuned in to TG, you knew what you were getting. It hasn't been a car review show for years. Are we now not allowed to put things on television for fear of offending a small insignificant minority of people.....sadly it looks that way.

Have I Got News for You is of the same ilk. If you don't like it, don't bloody watch it, but leave it on to entertain the many that do enjoy it.

 

What about the Beeb cooking up a huge media storm building up to the big announcement on the new presenting team with interest going through the roof and they reveal Clarkson, Hamster and May as the new team? Possible?????

 

As has been said above everybody knew just what TG, specifically Clarkson was like.
And let's not forget it's a TV programme. There are producers, directors, cameramen, co-presenters, sound engineers, editors etc who were happy to go along with every prank and everything said. None of which had previously left because they didn't like what he was saying or doing (Although most of it were probably other people's ideas.)

As for the left, well who else would "despise" someone, still watch his programme, and then complain about it after .

 

Remember nothing Clarkson says on TV, hasn't been passed by the producers of the show. He could say 10 thing to describe a car, yet they choose which descriptions `you and I` hear.

How can the BBC protest about what Clarkson says or does on Top Gear, when they're the very ones who allowed it to be aired in the first place.


All they are doing is obliging the small minority who are soo liberal in their views that everything said can offend them, or any action made by a person they don't like can be seen as offensive.

 

It's the BBC itself that should be held to account , the tiff between the film crew is just an excuse to end the show imo

 

W1a did this situation really well the other night. Especially considering it was filmed pre-"fracas".
It depicted that BBC executives had a weekly meeting and the first thing on the agenda was whatever clarkson had said on the previous episode of TG and whether or not he had apologised for it.