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18 January 2015, 07:57 PM
#31
I haven't looked at any of the linked videos yet but if a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon then how do we explain the 185 people that are meant to have died?
I'm assuming that most of these people have families (in numbers that run into the thousands) that say that they have lost a relative or friend. So were 1000s of people involved in the conspiracy???
I'm assuming that most of these people have families (in numbers that run into the thousands) that say that they have lost a relative or friend. So were 1000s of people involved in the conspiracy???
18 January 2015, 08:30 PM
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Christopher Hitchens used to say that the only way to deal with conspiracy theorists was to ignore them and push them out to the perimeters. Engaging said 'theorists' only serves to make their position appear credible and worthy of serious exchange.
18 January 2015, 08:32 PM
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So let's get this straight - instead of taking that plane-load of 185 people, strapping them into the plane with state-of-the-art remote control technology and actually flying it into the Pentagon and killing them all, THEY go to all the trouble of taking the same 185 people who were supposed to be on the plane, fly them to some secret location where they're all ruthlessly murdered with whatever poison CIA death-squads are using these days (
), dispose of the several hundred ton plane leaving no trace, then fake a crash-landing of that plane into the Pentagon using something that leaves just enough doubt not to convince the conspiracy-theory-inclined that it really was a plane, but looks convincing enough to persuade eye-witnesses in the vicinity, the media etc, that it was.
If the THEY you're talking about are really that stupid they chose alternative #2 over alternative #1, I really don't think the rest of us have much to worry about.
), dispose of the several hundred ton plane leaving no trace, then fake a crash-landing of that plane into the Pentagon using something that leaves just enough doubt not to convince the conspiracy-theory-inclined that it really was a plane, but looks convincing enough to persuade eye-witnesses in the vicinity, the media etc, that it was.If the THEY you're talking about are really that stupid they chose alternative #2 over alternative #1, I really don't think the rest of us have much to worry about.
18 January 2015, 08:41 PM
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So let's get this straight - instead of taking that plane-load of 185 people, strapping them into the plane with state-of-the-art remote control technology and actually flying it into the Pentagon and killing them all, THEY go to all the trouble of taking the same 185 people who were supposed to be on the plane, fly them to some secret location where they're all ruthlessly murdered with whatever poison CIA death-squads are using these days (), dispose of the several hundred ton plane leaving no trace, then fake a crash-landing of that plane into the Pentagon using something that leaves just enough doubt not to convince the conspiracy-theory-inclined that it really was a plane, but looks convincing enough to persuade eye-witnesses in the vicinity, the media etc, that it was.
If the THEY you're talking about are really that stupid they chose alternative #2 over alternative #1, I really don't think the rest of us have much to worry about.
), dispose of the several hundred ton plane leaving no trace, then fake a crash-landing of that plane into the Pentagon using something that leaves just enough doubt not to convince the conspiracy-theory-inclined that it really was a plane, but looks convincing enough to persuade eye-witnesses in the vicinity, the media etc, that it was.If the THEY you're talking about are really that stupid they chose alternative #2 over alternative #1, I really don't think the rest of us have much to worry about.
Do you think Bin Laden and his band did it?
18 January 2015, 08:41 PM
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18 January 2015, 08:56 PM
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If the US government were prepared to kill 185 people,
and all these conspiracy theories stem from a relatively few (Alex Jones and Dylan Avery - who started it all with loose change)
Why don't they just bump off the conspiritards
Nip it all in the bud
18 January 2015, 08:57 PM
#41
It is impossible to fly a jumbo into the Pentagon in the way the official story says it did, whoever was flying - it would need to fly at 6m for over a Km, which a jumbo that size can not do
And then all that plane makes just a 5m square hole in the Pentagon
It was something else - watch the video
And then all that plane makes just a 5m square hole in the Pentagon
It was something else - watch the video
18 January 2015, 09:05 PM
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The joke is in the joke though.
18 January 2015, 09:06 PM
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It is impossible to fly a jumbo into the Pentagon in the way the official story says it did, whoever was flying - it would need to fly at 6m for over a Km, which a jumbo that size can not do
And then all that plane makes just a 5m square hole in the Pentagon
It was something else - watch the video
And then all that plane makes just a 5m square hole in the Pentagon
It was something else - watch the video
And it made a hole over 100 feet wide
Here is a quote from a real person, someone who was there
Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
All the physics is in here - a respected US magazine, with real qualified scientist - all peer reviewed
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...myths-pentagon
18 January 2015, 09:08 PM
#44
The truth is stranger than fiction. That's why theres always something not quite right with events like these. That gives room for questions, and allows people who do not want to accept what has happened pretend it isn't real. These people saying don't believe "the media", well the media isn't 5 or 6 people sitting in a room its thousands and thousands of people worldwide from all different perspectives, religions and nationailties and more importantly different agendas.
It happened, get over it.
It happened, get over it.
18 January 2015, 09:13 PM
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The truth is stranger than fiction. That's why theres always something not quite right with events like these. That gives room for questions, and allows people who do not want to accept what has happened pretend it isn't real. These people saying don't believe "the media", well the media isn't 5 or 6 people sitting in a room its thousands and thousands of people worldwide from all different perspectives, religions and nationailties and more importantly different agendas.
It happened, get over it.
It happened, get over it.
18 January 2015, 09:14 PM
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Read the link - it is by a vast array of qualified structural and blast engineers
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18 January 2015, 09:16 PM
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Psychologly research shows conspiracy theorists and those who choose to believe them are more gullible and susceptible to suggestion.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health...fk.single.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/health...fk.single.html
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18 January 2015, 09:24 PM
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This was in the news earlier this month
A Facebook privacy hoax, it has been banging around the Internet for years, it is continually being debunked but like a dose of the clap it keeps coming back, people keep perpetuating it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-maga...nitor-30716493
Much like these conspiracy theories, they have been debunked and debunked but like the Facebook story they keep coming back
99.9% have been debunked
A Facebook privacy hoax, it has been banging around the Internet for years, it is continually being debunked but like a dose of the clap it keeps coming back, people keep perpetuating it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-maga...nitor-30716493
Much like these conspiracy theories, they have been debunked and debunked but like the Facebook story they keep coming back
99.9% have been debunked
18 January 2015, 09:25 PM
#52
The pics/footage I've seen show 5m square
The plane measured 13m across. There was also no impact evidence of the engines on the wall - as there was in the twin towers - on the pics I've seen
In fact the engines 'disappeared' ! They are are the strongest part of a plane and made from magnesium. 1300°C would be needed to burn them and only black smoke could be seen coming from the hole
The contributors who appear in that video I linked are some of the most respected people in the military and 'establishment'
We can't expect to wrangle the detail here
There are just far too many unanswered questions/impossibilities/absurdities in the official story - twins & Pentagon
There is no depth to evil, and what the US, the west, and for that matter many of the world leaders, rich and famous get up to is beginning to come out
The plane measured 13m across. There was also no impact evidence of the engines on the wall - as there was in the twin towers - on the pics I've seen
In fact the engines 'disappeared' ! They are are the strongest part of a plane and made from magnesium. 1300°C would be needed to burn them and only black smoke could be seen coming from the hole
The contributors who appear in that video I linked are some of the most respected people in the military and 'establishment'
We can't expect to wrangle the detail here
There are just far too many unanswered questions/impossibilities/absurdities in the official story - twins & Pentagon
There is no depth to evil, and what the US, the west, and for that matter many of the world leaders, rich and famous get up to is beginning to come out
18 January 2015, 09:34 PM
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It was a 757.
If a 757 aircraft,travelling in excess of 500mph, more than a football field long and 44ft in height with a 125ft wingspan, crashed into the Pentagon full of fuel where is the wreckage?
The federal government had two "in-house" specialists to try and demonstrate what really happened.
Professor Mete Sozen and Allyn E. Kilsheimer, one says an impact of that magnitude would of turned metal mass into liquid mass! hence no wreckage, the other says he held small parts of the plane in his hand and also the crews body parts and uniform, contradictory?.
If Kilsheimer did hold parts of uniforms, then they easily could have come from the poor unfortunate people inside the building, I mean we are talking about the Pentagon here.
About the "cartoon-like" holes on the Pentagon where the wings would have been, that is just a tactic to throw people off and discredit anyone who questions how such a big plane could disappear so completely, without a trace, when similar crashes leave debris spread over a large area.
Why doesnt the US government release the footage of the crash recorded form a number of nearby video cameras? Why did the FBI immediately seize all of those cameras?
Those images show what crashed into the Pentagon, if it was the 757, then why dont they just release the other views of it?
The only footage they have released, from a Pentagon camera, shows a brief blur of an object. A very fuzzy object that does not look football field long.
If a 757 aircraft,travelling in excess of 500mph, more than a football field long and 44ft in height with a 125ft wingspan, crashed into the Pentagon full of fuel where is the wreckage?
The federal government had two "in-house" specialists to try and demonstrate what really happened.
Professor Mete Sozen and Allyn E. Kilsheimer, one says an impact of that magnitude would of turned metal mass into liquid mass! hence no wreckage, the other says he held small parts of the plane in his hand and also the crews body parts and uniform, contradictory?.
If Kilsheimer did hold parts of uniforms, then they easily could have come from the poor unfortunate people inside the building, I mean we are talking about the Pentagon here.
About the "cartoon-like" holes on the Pentagon where the wings would have been, that is just a tactic to throw people off and discredit anyone who questions how such a big plane could disappear so completely, without a trace, when similar crashes leave debris spread over a large area.
Why doesnt the US government release the footage of the crash recorded form a number of nearby video cameras? Why did the FBI immediately seize all of those cameras?
Those images show what crashed into the Pentagon, if it was the 757, then why dont they just release the other views of it?
The only footage they have released, from a Pentagon camera, shows a brief blur of an object. A very fuzzy object that does not look football field long.
18 January 2015, 09:36 PM
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The pics/footage I've seen show 5m square
The plane measured 13m across. There was also no impact evidence of the engines on the wall - as there was in the twin towers - on the pics I've seen
In fact the engines 'disappeared' ! They are are the strongest part of a plane and made from magnesium. 1300°C would be needed to burn them and only black smoke could be seen coming from the hole
The contributors who appear in that video I linked are some of the most respected people in the military and 'establishment'
We can't expect to wrangle the detail here
There are just far too many unanswered questions/impossibilities/absurdities in the official story - twins & Pentagon
There is no depth to evil, and what the US, the west, and for that matter many of the world leaders, rich and famous get up to is beginning to come out
The plane measured 13m across. There was also no impact evidence of the engines on the wall - as there was in the twin towers - on the pics I've seen
In fact the engines 'disappeared' ! They are are the strongest part of a plane and made from magnesium. 1300°C would be needed to burn them and only black smoke could be seen coming from the hole
The contributors who appear in that video I linked are some of the most respected people in the military and 'establishment'
We can't expect to wrangle the detail here
There are just far too many unanswered questions/impossibilities/absurdities in the official story - twins & Pentagon
There is no depth to evil, and what the US, the west, and for that matter many of the world leaders, rich and famous get up to is beginning to come out
Why do you perpetuate lies?
18 January 2015, 09:39 PM
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where is the 75foot hole ?
18 January 2015, 09:39 PM
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I've just spent the last one hour and forty-four minutes watching one of the videos linked to on here.
There's a lot of questions asked by supposed respected ex military and aviation experts (a lot of bloody Italians too for some reason).
But here's the thing - they are just reading and seeing what they want to read and see about something that happened.
Like some people read into the ramblings of some story written thousands of years ago, and decipher it as they see fit.
As Slater the slag once said - '.....it's a bit of a poser, innit Delboy....'
There are known unknowns, etc...
There's a lot of questions asked by supposed respected ex military and aviation experts (a lot of bloody Italians too for some reason).
But here's the thing - they are just reading and seeing what they want to read and see about something that happened.
Like some people read into the ramblings of some story written thousands of years ago, and decipher it as they see fit.
As Slater the slag once said - '.....it's a bit of a poser, innit Delboy....'
There are known unknowns, etc...
18 January 2015, 09:41 PM
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It was a 757.
If a 757 aircraft,travelling in excess of 500mph, more than a football field long and 44ft in height with a 125ft wingspan, crashed into the Pentagon full of fuel where is the wreckage?
The federal government had two "in-house" specialists to try and demonstrate what really happened.
Professor Mete Sozen and Allyn E. Kilsheimer, one says an impact of that magnitude would of turned metal mass into liquid mass! hence no wreckage, the other says he held small parts of the plane in his hand and also the crews body parts and uniform, contradictory?.
If Kilsheimer did hold parts of uniforms, then they easily could have come from the poor unfortunate people inside the building, I mean we are talking about the Pentagon here.
About the "cartoon-like" holes on the Pentagon where the wings would have been, that is just a tactic to throw people off and discredit anyone who questions how such a big plane could disappear so completely, without a trace, when similar crashes leave debris spread over a large area.
Why doesnt the US government release the footage of the crash recorded form a number of nearby video cameras? Why did the FBI immediately seize all of those cameras?
Those images show what crashed into the Pentagon, if it was the 757, then why dont they just release the other views of it?
The only footage they have released, from a Pentagon camera, shows a brief blur of an object. A very fuzzy object that does not look football field long.
If a 757 aircraft,travelling in excess of 500mph, more than a football field long and 44ft in height with a 125ft wingspan, crashed into the Pentagon full of fuel where is the wreckage?
The federal government had two "in-house" specialists to try and demonstrate what really happened.
Professor Mete Sozen and Allyn E. Kilsheimer, one says an impact of that magnitude would of turned metal mass into liquid mass! hence no wreckage, the other says he held small parts of the plane in his hand and also the crews body parts and uniform, contradictory?.
If Kilsheimer did hold parts of uniforms, then they easily could have come from the poor unfortunate people inside the building, I mean we are talking about the Pentagon here.
About the "cartoon-like" holes on the Pentagon where the wings would have been, that is just a tactic to throw people off and discredit anyone who questions how such a big plane could disappear so completely, without a trace, when similar crashes leave debris spread over a large area.
Why doesnt the US government release the footage of the crash recorded form a number of nearby video cameras? Why did the FBI immediately seize all of those cameras?
Those images show what crashed into the Pentagon, if it was the 757, then why dont they just release the other views of it?
The only footage they have released, from a Pentagon camera, shows a brief blur of an object. A very fuzzy object that does not look football field long.
If they had footage and released it, it would change nothing
We have plenty of footage of planes hitting the twin towers yet conspiritards still say no planes hit the twin towers,
You can never win
Conspiritards would just say "what a coincidence (not) that the pentagon had high speed cameras point at the exact place - suspicious ????
18 January 2015, 09:43 PM
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I've just spent the last one hour and forty-four minutes watching one of the videos linked to on here.
There's a lot of questions asked by supposed respected ex military and aviation experts (a lot of bloody Italians too for some reason).
But here's the thing - they are just reading and seeing what they want to read and see about something that happened.
Like some people read into the ramblings of some story written thousands of years ago, and decipher it as they see fit.
As Slater the slag once said - '.....it's a bit of a poser, innit Delboy....'
There are known unknowns, etc...
There's a lot of questions asked by supposed respected ex military and aviation experts (a lot of bloody Italians too for some reason).
But here's the thing - they are just reading and seeing what they want to read and see about something that happened.
Like some people read into the ramblings of some story written thousands of years ago, and decipher it as they see fit.
As Slater the slag once said - '.....it's a bit of a poser, innit Delboy....'
There are known unknowns, etc...
Mmmm, yeah he should know a thing or two about structural dynamics
He is a Nobel prize winner after all, but hey what is it in - I'll tell you
Poetry
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18 January 2015, 09:45 PM
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