zip106

Yes poetry.

In motion, obviously

Anyone, can make anything, sound plausible and convincing.
It only takes the gullible to believe it.

bonesetter

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How in God's name did those planes get through what is the most protected country on earth, and the most protected part of that country (and the Whitehouse)?

Fly around for ages, fly all the way up to the Pentagon, unchecked, and the huge anti-aircraft 'pop out the ground' guns did not activate, and then score a bang on target hit, by an arab who couldn't even take off in a Sesna during lessons?

There are LOADS of questions like this. Not lies, just questions

How can you so blindly accept the pedaled truth?

hodgy0_2

Simple, before 911 the US did not routinely track internal flights, why would they - because obviously nothing like this had happened before

The NORAD system looked outward not inward

Hindsight is 20/20

hodgy0_2

Very well put

bonesetter

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What?!

Come on, you know that's not true. There are a few more than NORAD looking and many systems in place. Anything off-course - and just look at the quite unbelievable course that pentagon plane had to take - would have been nailed. There are many air force bases nearby

Drills were routinely carried out for the possibility of planes being projected at the Pentagon and the towers

Kwik

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Drills, like you probably practice at work. Do you think if your work set on fire then the exact same things would happen and mistakes wouldn't be made in panic?.

bonesetter

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So the Pentagon's defense system failed, due a panic 'mistake'?

hodgy0_2

Show me the the evidence for the drills

Carnut

This video has been speeded up to the point where a car doing what i would of thought was doing about 30mph (thats fast in the US) goes through the screen shot that fast could blink and miss it. A plane going somewhere in the hundreds of mph you would not see.

Maz

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On October 26, 1999, the famous golfer Payne Stewart boarded a private Learjet in Florida and left for Texas. Shortly after takeoff, Stewart's jet veered sharply off course and began heading northwest. All contact with air controllers was lost. Within 15 minutes of having gone off course, US fighter jets had already intercepted the jet. Everyone on board was likely dead due to depressurization. These fighter jets were dispatched by NORAD, the branch of the US air force whose job it is to monitor and defend US airspace 24 hours a day. NORAD maintains a huge array of land based radar systems and has fighter jets on alert 24 hours a day so that they can respond to a crisis. The jets escorted the doomed airplane until another group of Air National Guard jets took over the escort mission. Finally, Stewart's jet ran out of fuel a crashed in South Dakota. The quick reaction time and military precision with which NORAD intercepted and escorted Stewart's jet was impressive, and exactly what one would have expected from the greatest military power in world history.

bonesetter

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USAF pilots are trained to take out passenger airliners if they are unresponsive - without any other home command - inboard or out, big or small - especially ones flying in a very unusual manner straight at the Pentagon for crying out loud

daveyj

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I met a former Marine who said he was at The Pentagon on the day. He referred to a plane hitting and was clearly cut about the whole thing, dealing with dead colleagues, etc. I can't make my mind up about the events that happened, but that grief was real. If he says a plane hit, I'll take that. He was clearly disturbed by those events. It was more the what wasn't said than the what was. You can't fake that......just ask any living Grandparent who fought in WW2. It's the stuff they don't/won't talk about that sets them apart.....well, in my experience at least.

hodgy0_2

Source for that

hodgy0_2

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Source for that, prior to 911

gary77

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this video is very creepy , george bush when he was told usa was under attack .

ScoobyWon't

I thought NSR was just home to chavs and racists. When did all the lunatics crawl out of the woodwork?

dpb

Only the last few weeks

Clearly ratings were low


I smell a conspiracy.

hodgy0_2

Ok , I will put them both out of their misery

They won't find sources, because both posts are boll0cks

Here is what happened to Stewart payne plane, ( taken from the well known conspiratorial website www.golf.com)


The picture on Mayne's radar screen just after 10 a.m. was the green icon of an airplane heading in a straight line across a black background. This represented the flight of tail number N47BA. "The Federal Aviation Administration called for our help," Mayne, a 26-year naval veteran, says. "They said they had a derelict aircraft, not responding to calls.

They asked if we could send someone up to look at it."This was not an unprecedented request. Various situations arise in which airplanes lose contact with the ground, and military fighters are sent up to investigate. The military pilot sometimes waves to the civilian pilot, whose radio has broken down, and the civilian pilot waves back and finds a place to land.

When Jacksonville air traffic control lost contact with the Lear 35 at 9:33, the plane had just been cleared to proceed at 39,000 feet. All subsequent attempts to reach the pilots"November-four-seven-bravo-alpha, do you read me?"had been unsuccessful. Also, radar showed that the plane had not made a scheduled left turn to head toward Texas, continuing instead on its previous northern course.

The FAA's call for assistance was received at Cheyenne Mountain at approximately 10 o'clock. Two National Guard F-16 fighters at Tyndall Air Force Base in Panama City, Fla., were scrambled at 10:08 and airborne at 10:10 before Mayne realized that an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base in Fort Walton Beach, Fla., already was in the air and could reach the Lear sooner.

The Eglin plane was diverted, and the Tyndall jets recalled to their base.The pilot of the Eglin plane was Air Force Capt. Chris Hamilton, 32. He had spent the early morning practicing dog-fights over the Gulf of Mexico against a slower A-10 jet, also from Eglin. This was a normal training exerciseswoops and rolls, imaginary warfareheld two or three times a month. Hamilton was surprised by the order to chase a civilian plane and investigate. He never had done this.After meeting an Air Force tanker to add fuel in midair, Hamilton flew a course that would bisect the Lear's route. He was traveling at roughly 500 mph.

The Lear was traveling at roughly 300 mph. Hamilton was told he would catch the plane somewhere above Memphis.The chase took approximately 50 minutes. When Hamilton spotted the Lear, he slowed down to match its speed. He flew in formation with the Lear on the left side and then the right, flew underneath the Lear and above it.

Visibility was perfect. Hamilton thought, as he stared from the bubble canopy of his fighter, that if he were standing and looking at the plane parked on the ground, he couldn't have a better view than he did now. He hoped to see people in the windows or at least to see some external damage that was causing some problem. He saw neither.The plane was flying perfectly, a vision from a promotional video. The disturbing difference was that the windows all were frosted, clouded over, as if they were windows in a freezer. Hamilton immediately knew the sad truth:

The frozen condensation on the inside of the windows meant that the Lear's oxygen systems were not functioning correctly. The plane was flying on autopilot. The people inside, whoever they were and however many they were, already were dead. "It definitely was a helpless feeling," Hamilton says. "To see everything else functioning normally and to know that someone was insideand there's nothing you can do. It was something out of The Twilight Zone?He radioed his observations to the Memphis NORAD center at 11:09. For the next half hour Hamilton flew alongside the Lear, an escort to a ghost.

From Cheyenne Mountain, Mayne arranged for four fighters from the Oklahoma National Guard in Tulsa to replace Hamilton at 11:59. The FAA and NORAD were already calculating how long the plane would remain aloft before it crashed. Fuel supply and average speed and weather conditions were put into the formula. It was estimated that the plane could stay in the air for slightly more than four hours after takeoff.

So not 15 mins, more like 90

So did the pilot shoot it down, no, did he even ask no

Why, well this was before 9 11, things were different

Carnut

This is a bad bad bad quality picture, the whole pic looks computer animation to me, not saying it is but at least give us a clear bit of evidence.

But why go to all the trouble, there must have been a easier way for the US government to blow stuff up?

Why not take a Muslim that was a fighter pilot, go kill him and then take the fighter jet he was supposed to be flying a routine mission in and go offline and start blowing **** up.

Then tell the world a Muslim man working for whoever destroyed x amount.

f1_fan

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hodgy, you're spoiling their fun.

dj219957

Why do some people think that goverments are/should be perfect and should get everything right all the time. "its the goverments fault" "the government are ****" "the government got it wrong" "I aint got my bennifits cos the government are ****" etc.
they are made up of humans (unless you've read davids book!) and they make human errors and the systems and methods they use are full of errors. Its perfectly plausible for this terror plot to have worked as it did. conspiracy my ****.

daveyj

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I remember seeing a Ch4 documentary on the military response to the attacks/reports of hijacked planes. Tbh, from what I saw (and this is part of the reason I'm sat on the fence a bit, conspiracy theories just serve to conveniently divert attention away from the fact that despite constant drills, preparation, investment, etc a world "super power" had its pants pulled down on its own turf. I mean listening to the actual calls/recordings of the Air Force made them look more Fawlty Towers than Enemy of The State.

Whatever your view, it's one of the biggest "events" to have occured in my lifetime and it can't be undone. I visited New York in 2003 and the sheer size of the area that was wiped out was very humbling. You could see into the Metro system and it was all very macabre. I genuinely cannot imagine what it would have been like being there, despite countless videos, and I'm quite thankful that I can't.

gary77

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where is the 75foot wide hole ?



can you find an early report with evidance of a boing 757 in it ?

hodgy0_2

Lol, yes and says and I quote "i see a huge gaping hole in the pentagon"



Then he goes onto pontificate about the whereabouts of a plane, he obviously can't see one because it was embedded in the pentagon, so far it eached the inner ring - the physics explain how it injected itself like a molten cigar tube

But he does not know that because he is not a structural engineer or crash investigator - he is a journalist and he his trained to say what he sees

Which to repeat is a fvcking big hole and fragments of plane

gary77

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yes he was talking about the large hole that was left AFTER THE COLAPSE. the point of the video clip is to show there was no large pieces of plane , nothing recognisable as a plane , no evidance of a plane .

the two other pictures show the damagage before the colapse , i'll ask again can you see a 75foot wide hole in the pictures ?
the hole you think the plane disapeared into

if you look at the picture with the plane on it , look at where the engines are and the wall they would of hit and disapeared into out of site , im not convinced by your theory

infact looking at the picture with the plane in it how can you seriously try to tell me it is all inside that building with nothing left visable , according to the reporter that was there

Carnut

Still **** pictures and a **** vid.
The picture first of all has black smoke so thick it covers any hole that may or may not be there and in the vid if you listen the reporter says there's no evidence of a plane and then at the end of the vid says there are just some small bits and pieces, no wings.

A plane is designed to take big forces from upwards pressure but hitting a very very heavily built big *** building head on is probably not in the design brief. Planes can have no excess and on impact it would just fold up and fall to bits i would imagine.

Still **** pics and vids though.

Carnut

Listen again, he says no evidence of a plane, ie wings etc but then at the end says only small pieces.

ps, just have a look how small the fire truck is relative to the building, its a huge building and i thi k you're looking for half the side to be missing, a 75foot wide hole in a building that size would be like a bike going through your front door.

gary77

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so your theory is it crumbled into small pieces nothing recognisable as a plane ,

and you cant tell me where the 75foot hole is , because there isnt one ,

but i should believe there is one and the engines went through it and all the rest crumbled

i cant believe that its to insane

gary77

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so this plane that crumbled on impact also is capable of cutting through steel coloums on the twin towers

hodgy0_2

Presumably all the DNA they recovered was faked, and all the witnesses that saw it were government stooges, and the fragment the journalist picked up well he was lying