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28 January 2015, 08:12 PM
#331
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Credible witness statements from firefighters to experts in all different fields.
Witnesses who have died in suspicious suicides and car accidents post 911.
Confessions of wtc7 being pulled on camera.
Molten steel
Osama publicly denying he had any part of 911 at first.
A fat Osama suddenly admitting in a dodgy camera interview he was cause of 911.
Small hole in pentagon.
No grass damage to the front of the pentagon.
No CCTV worth mentioning.
Bush's brother in charge of security at the wtc.
Documented Power outages and floor shutdowns in the weeks leading up to 911.
In wtc2 a company called baseline had 78/79 floors just below the planes entry point, the company director has history with a nano thermite company, also is very well connected with the government.
Wtc1 had fireproofing modifications upgrades in late 2000 on floors 92-100(documented) the planes entry point was floors 94-99.
Chain of command were all busy and doing something on the day of the attacks.
Air defence failures.
The pentagon attack side was newly renovated.
America rehearsed a 911 attack in 2000 including the pentagon being hit.
Dodgy inside trading in the days prior to 911,,billions pre 911.
Wtc towers insurance, privatised just before the attacks.
The magic passport.
Air traffic control tapes destroyed as was the planes black boxes.
The 911 commission unanswered questions.......approx 400 in total. Why?
Faulty radios causing the deaths of the first responder firefighters, expendable?
The media blackout of prominent doubters,US congress, retired high ranking military officers, former ministers etc.
The pentagons missing trillions pre 9/11' announced on 9/10.
Project northwoods?
And many
Many
Many more unanswered questions and coincides.
Speculations, red herrings,false information, counter arguments.
Witnesses who have died in suspicious suicides and car accidents post 911.
Confessions of wtc7 being pulled on camera.
Molten steel
Osama publicly denying he had any part of 911 at first.
A fat Osama suddenly admitting in a dodgy camera interview he was cause of 911.
Small hole in pentagon.
No grass damage to the front of the pentagon.
No CCTV worth mentioning.
Bush's brother in charge of security at the wtc.
Documented Power outages and floor shutdowns in the weeks leading up to 911.
In wtc2 a company called baseline had 78/79 floors just below the planes entry point, the company director has history with a nano thermite company, also is very well connected with the government.
Wtc1 had fireproofing modifications upgrades in late 2000 on floors 92-100(documented) the planes entry point was floors 94-99.
Chain of command were all busy and doing something on the day of the attacks.
Air defence failures.
The pentagon attack side was newly renovated.
America rehearsed a 911 attack in 2000 including the pentagon being hit.
Dodgy inside trading in the days prior to 911,,billions pre 911.
Wtc towers insurance, privatised just before the attacks.
The magic passport.
Air traffic control tapes destroyed as was the planes black boxes.
The 911 commission unanswered questions.......approx 400 in total. Why?
Faulty radios causing the deaths of the first responder firefighters, expendable?
The media blackout of prominent doubters,US congress, retired high ranking military officers, former ministers etc.
The pentagons missing trillions pre 9/11' announced on 9/10.
Project northwoods?
And many
Many
Many more unanswered questions and coincides.
Speculations, red herrings,false information, counter arguments.
But I'll pick one
Bush, give the source to his being head of security
28 January 2015, 08:44 PM
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Marvin Bush, son of US president George H.W. Bush, and brother to US president George W. Bush, served on the board of directors from 1993- 2000, leaving prior to the attacks on the WTC.
Wiki link
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securacom
28 January 2015, 08:56 PM
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With all due respect! All utter rubbish,,,in your opinion!
Marvin Bush, son of US president George H.W. Bush, and brother to US president George W. Bush, served on the board of directors from 1993- 2000, leaving prior to the attacks on the WTC.
Wiki link
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securacom
Marvin Bush, son of US president George H.W. Bush, and brother to US president George W. Bush, served on the board of directors from 1993- 2000, leaving prior to the attacks on the WTC.
Wiki link
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securacom
Your assertion that he was head of security of the WTC (presumably on 9 11) is rubbish
From your link
Kroll Inc. - Securacom sold security-related equipment to the New York Port Authority for the security of the World Trade Center. Securacom's contract for the sale of equipment was terminated in 1998.
He was on the board of directors and left in 2000 anyway , and the company had no contract with WTC at the time of the attacks
Yet you state he was head of security for the WTC, like I said, utter rubbish
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28 January 2015, 09:02 PM
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After 911 in 2002 the company closed it's doors.
He was head of security when there were major fire wall and sprinkler construction works in 2000.
The main security company for WTC and numerous airports.
If I remember rightly the company started in the wake of the 26/2/93 wtc bombing.
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28 January 2015, 09:05 PM
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28 January 2015, 09:09 PM
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Iv got to pop out for an hour, can't stand the mrs up
28 January 2015, 10:26 PM
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Pete You summed up why people doubt the official theory pretty well.
But regarding sratastec and he Bush connection there is also wirt walker 3rd . Another relation to the Bush family
And its also worth mentioning stratesec parent company kuwam .Kuwaiti American corporation .
If anyone's interested Google it for yourself
But regarding sratastec and he Bush connection there is also wirt walker 3rd . Another relation to the Bush family
And its also worth mentioning stratesec parent company kuwam .Kuwaiti American corporation .
If anyone's interested Google it for yourself
28 January 2015, 10:29 PM
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Do you have any idea what kind of connections the Bush family have , like the fact he was a board member makes any differance , he could of been on the payroll as a cleaner for all the diferance his job title makes.presidents brother, hardly your typical board member
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28 January 2015, 10:47 PM
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Credible witness statements from firefighters to experts in all different fields.
Witnesses who have died in suspicious suicides and car accidents post 911.
Confessions of wtc7 being pulled on camera.
Molten steel
Osama publicly denying he had any part of 911 at first.
A fat Osama suddenly admitting in a dodgy camera interview he was cause of 911.
Small hole in pentagon.
No grass damage to the front of the pentagon.
No CCTV worth mentioning.
Bush's brother in charge of security at the wtc.
Documented Power outages and floor shutdowns in the weeks leading up to 911.
In wtc2 a company called baseline had 78/79 floors just below the planes entry point, the company director has history with a nano thermite company, also is very well connected with the government.
Wtc1 had fireproofing modifications upgrades in late 2000 on floors 92-100(documented) the planes entry point was floors 94-99.
Chain of command were all busy and doing something on the day of the attacks.
Air defence failures.
The pentagon attack side was newly renovated.
America rehearsed a 911 attack in 2000 including the pentagon being hit.
Dodgy inside trading in the days prior to 911,,billions pre 911.
Wtc towers insurance, privatised just before the attacks.
The magic passport.
Air traffic control tapes destroyed as was the planes black boxes.
The 911 commission unanswered questions.......approx 400 in total. Why?
Faulty radios causing the deaths of the first responder firefighters, expendable?
The media blackout of prominent doubters,US congress, retired high ranking military officers, former ministers etc.
The pentagons missing trillions pre 9/11' announced on 9/10.
Project northwoods?
And many
Many
Many more unanswered questions and coincides.
Speculations, red herrings,false information, counter arguments.
Witnesses who have died in suspicious suicides and car accidents post 911.
Confessions of wtc7 being pulled on camera.
Molten steel
Osama publicly denying he had any part of 911 at first.
A fat Osama suddenly admitting in a dodgy camera interview he was cause of 911.
Small hole in pentagon.
No grass damage to the front of the pentagon.
No CCTV worth mentioning.
Bush's brother in charge of security at the wtc.
Documented Power outages and floor shutdowns in the weeks leading up to 911.
In wtc2 a company called baseline had 78/79 floors just below the planes entry point, the company director has history with a nano thermite company, also is very well connected with the government.
Wtc1 had fireproofing modifications upgrades in late 2000 on floors 92-100(documented) the planes entry point was floors 94-99.
Chain of command were all busy and doing something on the day of the attacks.
Air defence failures.
The pentagon attack side was newly renovated.
America rehearsed a 911 attack in 2000 including the pentagon being hit.
Dodgy inside trading in the days prior to 911,,billions pre 911.
Wtc towers insurance, privatised just before the attacks.
The magic passport.
Air traffic control tapes destroyed as was the planes black boxes.
The 911 commission unanswered questions.......approx 400 in total. Why?
Faulty radios causing the deaths of the first responder firefighters, expendable?
The media blackout of prominent doubters,US congress, retired high ranking military officers, former ministers etc.
The pentagons missing trillions pre 9/11' announced on 9/10.
Project northwoods?
And many
Many
Many more unanswered questions and coincides.
Speculations, red herrings,false information, counter arguments.
28 January 2015, 10:52 PM
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Exactly this.
28 January 2015, 10:55 PM
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So first he's "in charge of security", then he's an ex-board member, now he's cleaning the flipping toilets. Make your mind up! As for him being related to George W Bush, so what? What single thing does that do to prove that for whatever bizarre sinister reason he'd conspire to destroy a multi-billion dollar building that a company he used to work for was supposed to be helping protect, and murder several thousand people in the process? Your whole chain of logic hinges on the premise that everyone who had anything to do with Bush had to be like him, a megalomaniac, sadistic psychopath, willing and capable of planning and carrying out astonishingly complex devious plots and ensuring they were kept secret. Have you actually watched any of the Youtube videos of his endless catalog of comedic bloopers in speeches and interviews? The guy was an incompetent joke!
28 January 2015, 10:58 PM
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The only relevant CCTV footage has been taken and hidden behind closed doors.
28 January 2015, 11:11 PM
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Credible witness statements from firefighters to experts in all different fields.
saying what, that it was Bush who ordered the attack or that they didn't think a building would fall like that after a plane hit it. As if a firefighter knows shìt about these goings on
Witnesses who have died in suspicious suicides and car accidents post 911.
there was many thousands of witnesses, it would be more suspicious if some hadn't
Confessions of wtc7 being pulled on camera.
busy news day, mistakes were made
Molten steel
we've done this already but there was sufficient materials to create the heat required
Osama publicly denying he had any part of 911 at first.
yeah, most criminals are honest from my experiences, that why we have no need for judges
A fat Osama suddenly admitting in a dodgy camera interview he was cause of 911.
would you have thought he should have gone to the bbc and walked through the front door
Small hole in pentagon.
wasn't a small hole, we've been through this a few pages back
No grass damage to the front of the pentagon.
it was a plane, not a tank, planes don't normally damage the ground they pass OVER
No CCTV worth mentioning.
you lot seem to use shìt footage
Bush's brother in charge of security at the wtc.
Bush probably knew people related to all the building but i think hodgy has dealt with this
Documented Power outages and floor shutdowns in the weeks leading up to 911.
a building of that size would require constant maintenance
In wtc2 a company called baseline had 78/79 floors just below the planes entry point, the company director has history with a nano thermite company, also is very well connected with the government.
oh well, you've got me there, proof at last lol
Wtc1 had fireproofing modifications upgrades in late 2000 on floors 92-100(documented) the planes entry point was floors 94-99.
building are always having to modify and modernise to comply with new regulations
Chain of command were all busy and doing something on the day of the attacks.
I'm sorry, you expect people to sit about all day doing nothing just in case
Air defence failures.
things were a little more relaxed, that wouldn't happen now (hopefully)
The pentagon attack side was newly renovated.
getting ******* silly now
America rehearsed a 911 attack in 2000 including the pentagon being hit.
standard stuff
Dodgy inside trading in the days prior to 911,,billions pre 911.
how many people do you think was in on it, you must be the only one who's not in the inner circle atcthis point
Wtc towers insurance, privatised just before the attacks.
do you expect no business to be done before the attacks
The magic passport.
don't know this one, wax a passport found some distance from the impact, if so a passport would travel far on the wind from those heights
Air traffic control tapes destroyed as was the planes black boxes.
how much information do you think the public should have, do you think they should put the black boxes info on the net for the public to investigate
The 911 commission unanswered questions.......approx 400 in total. Why?
there's probably things they don't know and things they don't want you to know, AND
Faulty radios causing the deaths of the first responder firefighters, expendable?
You're a ****
The media blackout of prominent doubters,US congress, retired high ranking military officers, former ministers etc.
people retire and problem people that talk dangerous shìt got rid of, NOT KILLED
The pentagons missing trillions pre 9/11' announced on 9/10.
why does that matter
Project northwoods?
not sur and batterys going so can't Google
And many
Many
Many more unanswered questions and coincides.
Speculations, red herrings,false information, counter arguments.
saying what, that it was Bush who ordered the attack or that they didn't think a building would fall like that after a plane hit it. As if a firefighter knows shìt about these goings on
Witnesses who have died in suspicious suicides and car accidents post 911.
there was many thousands of witnesses, it would be more suspicious if some hadn't
Confessions of wtc7 being pulled on camera.
busy news day, mistakes were made
Molten steel
we've done this already but there was sufficient materials to create the heat required
Osama publicly denying he had any part of 911 at first.
yeah, most criminals are honest from my experiences, that why we have no need for judges
A fat Osama suddenly admitting in a dodgy camera interview he was cause of 911.
would you have thought he should have gone to the bbc and walked through the front door
Small hole in pentagon.
wasn't a small hole, we've been through this a few pages back
No grass damage to the front of the pentagon.
it was a plane, not a tank, planes don't normally damage the ground they pass OVER
No CCTV worth mentioning.
you lot seem to use shìt footage
Bush's brother in charge of security at the wtc.
Bush probably knew people related to all the building but i think hodgy has dealt with this
Documented Power outages and floor shutdowns in the weeks leading up to 911.
a building of that size would require constant maintenance
In wtc2 a company called baseline had 78/79 floors just below the planes entry point, the company director has history with a nano thermite company, also is very well connected with the government.
oh well, you've got me there, proof at last lol
Wtc1 had fireproofing modifications upgrades in late 2000 on floors 92-100(documented) the planes entry point was floors 94-99.
building are always having to modify and modernise to comply with new regulations
Chain of command were all busy and doing something on the day of the attacks.
I'm sorry, you expect people to sit about all day doing nothing just in case
Air defence failures.
things were a little more relaxed, that wouldn't happen now (hopefully)
The pentagon attack side was newly renovated.
getting ******* silly now
America rehearsed a 911 attack in 2000 including the pentagon being hit.
standard stuff
Dodgy inside trading in the days prior to 911,,billions pre 911.
how many people do you think was in on it, you must be the only one who's not in the inner circle atcthis point
Wtc towers insurance, privatised just before the attacks.
do you expect no business to be done before the attacks
The magic passport.
don't know this one, wax a passport found some distance from the impact, if so a passport would travel far on the wind from those heights
Air traffic control tapes destroyed as was the planes black boxes.
how much information do you think the public should have, do you think they should put the black boxes info on the net for the public to investigate
The 911 commission unanswered questions.......approx 400 in total. Why?
there's probably things they don't know and things they don't want you to know, AND
Faulty radios causing the deaths of the first responder firefighters, expendable?
You're a ****
The media blackout of prominent doubters,US congress, retired high ranking military officers, former ministers etc.
people retire and problem people that talk dangerous shìt got rid of, NOT KILLED
The pentagons missing trillions pre 9/11' announced on 9/10.
why does that matter
Project northwoods?
not sur and batterys going so can't Google
And many
Many
Many more unanswered questions and coincides.
Speculations, red herrings,false information, counter arguments.
Last edited by Carnut; 28 January 2015 at 11:30 PM.
28 January 2015, 11:37 PM
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They make extraordinary claims, but offer zero actual evidence to back them up, just a load of waffle and flim flam
Backed up by "belief" in a vast conspiracy, simple belief, which requires no evidence, just belief
29 January 2015, 12:10 AM
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He was a director right up until 2000, I didn't once state at the time of 911!
After 911 in 2002 the company closed it's doors.
He was head of security when there were major fire wall and sprinkler construction works in 2000.
The main security company for WTC and numerous airports.
If I remember rightly the company started in the wake of the 26/2/93 wtc bombing.
After 911 in 2002 the company closed it's doors.
He was head of security when there were major fire wall and sprinkler construction works in 2000.
The main security company for WTC and numerous airports.
If I remember rightly the company started in the wake of the 26/2/93 wtc bombing.
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29 January 2015, 11:26 AM
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It wasn't a confession, it was a misinterpreted term, he covered it in later interviews.
Already covered
He didn't admit lots of things before 9/11 that Al Qaed were responsible for, but once the US were going for him, he changed his tune. It's not surprising, defiance makes him appear strong.
The 75ft one that ties in with how the plane hit, you mead? Or are you cherry picking the much smaller one in ring C, which again is consistent with a plane.
Not as much as you would like is not the same as none. There is some, but the plane did not hit the ground and then run along it.
There is plenty of CCTV footage, and even some realeased under the Freedom of Information Act. As you'd think. it was useless. Why would anyone (apart from the Pentagon's own cameras) be pointed at the Pentagon? The footage that exists wouldn't show either way, plane or missile would be travelling at about the same speed, the limitations of CCTV cameras would not offer the definition you think should be there.
No, he wasn't
Air defence failures.
Why is this relevant? It had been re-inforced, saving lives.
So now the conspiracy has spread to thousand of people, Gee, that will be easy to keep secret......
See coincidence.
Unlikely doesn't mean impossible. Like the magic bullet for JF|K, it was only magic if you dind't consider all that happened, then it was just a bullet.
Do you have any eveidence of this? I mean real evidence? As fo the black boxes, they weren't destroyed, they were badly damaged.
Try again, Rumsfeld announced it in February 2000, and again on several occasions, one of the being 9/10. See what happens when you cherry pick your data? Also, the money was not missing, they were having trouble accouting for it with the incompatible systems in use at the time.
What about it? Uncovered in 1997, designed for 1962.
You have just descirbed all the conspiracy theories!
29 January 2015, 12:10 PM
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What does that prove?
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29 January 2015, 12:31 PM
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The existance of Project Northwoods is probably the only bit from Petes quote that's worth discussing. It show's that previous administrations have toyed with the idea of state sanctioned terrorism against the American people.
29 January 2015, 01:14 PM
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And if you point out that the US government has never managed to cover up anything successfully, they will just come back with "well, how would you know?", which is essentially the same as the old you can't prove a negative, which is what religious types hide behind.
See any similarities?
29 January 2015, 08:35 PM
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And as for all the so called answers to the questions outlined by Pete well they are no way good enough and most of them just show the lack of understanding of the point raised , one that stuck is the fireproofing , they misunderstood the point which is they could have opened up the fireproofing around the steel in the floors that were stated , I could go on replying to every reply given but it would take to much effort trying to get those people to open there eyes and see everything isn't what you believe
People who look into conspiracy theories do so with an open mind and don't usually believe anything just wonder if we have been told the truth
And hodgy if you are at all interested in the points raised about stratesec look into it for yourself
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29 January 2015, 08:51 PM
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Lol I have, that's why I can't state with 100% certainty that Marvin Bush was not head of security at the WTC
Despite what you claim, despite the lies and bullsh1t you spout
Despite asking for evidence and sources - that never comes
Because it is utter boll0x
Despite what you claim, despite the lies and bullsh1t you spout
Despite asking for evidence and sources - that never comes
Because it is utter boll0x
29 January 2015, 10:00 PM
#357
You asked me for a source to prove wirt walker 3rd was a director at sratesec and a relation of the Bush family ,
my responce was look into it yourself .
You say you have but don't mention wirt at all but claim I have spouted lies , which lies are those ?
29 January 2015, 10:06 PM
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You seem to be confused
You asked me for a source to prove wirt walker 3rd was a director at sratesec and a relation of the Bush family ,
my responce was look into it yourself .
You say you have but don't mention wirt at all but claim I have spouted lies , which lies are those ?
You asked me for a source to prove wirt walker 3rd was a director at sratesec and a relation of the Bush family ,
my responce was look into it yourself .
You say you have but don't mention wirt at all but claim I have spouted lies , which lies are those ?
You can't provide one - simply give me Source, no confusion, just give me the source
29 January 2015, 11:04 PM
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There's just too much that has gone on for there not to be some inconsistencies and maybe a little head scratching.
29 January 2015, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by*stipete75*
You are right, it's not hard evidence, these are a fraction of unanswered questions, no matter how speculative seemingly swept under the carpet, questions that need answering!
The only relevant CCTV footage has been taken and hidden behind closed doors.
This is funny, kinda makes me wanna bang my head on a brickwall as well.
You are right, it's not hard evidence, these are a fraction of unanswered questions, no matter how speculative seemingly swept under the carpet, questions that need answering!
The only relevant CCTV footage has been taken and hidden behind closed doors.