The Multiverse
22 November 2018, 12:41 PM
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I do miss these kinds of threads, just to exercise the old grey matter.
So did God create a multiverse? Is there anything in any holy scripture that would give a hint of this? The multiverse hypothisis is that that there is an infinite number of universe which means, in my mind for reasons I explained 4 years ago, there could not have been a beginning and therefore no point of creation as infinity ceases to exist at that point; something cannot come/be created from absolutely nothing. Absolute nothing cannot exist as absolute nothing has no properties whatsoever and therefore cannot act or be acted upon, what properties does God have that can act or be acted upon? If God has properties then there should be empirical evidence for these properties and therefore succumb to the laws of nature. If God can have no properties that can act or be acted upon, then it is also true by reason that that there can also be absolute nothing and at that point existence of absolutely everything including god ceases to exist. So my answer is no, God did not create multiple universes.
So did God create a multiverse? Is there anything in any holy scripture that would give a hint of this? The multiverse hypothisis is that that there is an infinite number of universe which means, in my mind for reasons I explained 4 years ago, there could not have been a beginning and therefore no point of creation as infinity ceases to exist at that point; something cannot come/be created from absolutely nothing. Absolute nothing cannot exist as absolute nothing has no properties whatsoever and therefore cannot act or be acted upon, what properties does God have that can act or be acted upon? If God has properties then there should be empirical evidence for these properties and therefore succumb to the laws of nature. If God can have no properties that can act or be acted upon, then it is also true by reason that that there can also be absolute nothing and at that point existence of absolutely everything including god ceases to exist. So my answer is no, God did not create multiple universes.
22 November 2018, 02:03 PM
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An infinite multiverse still requires an eternal unmoved mover in order to address the problem of infinite regress. Remember, infinity has a start, but no end, eternity has no beginning and no end. The multiverse hypothesis, whilst plausible, is unsatisfactory where an eternal and transcendent creator is omitted.
22 November 2018, 08:07 PM
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An infinite multiverse still requires an eternal unmoved mover in order to address the problem of infinite regress. Remember, infinity has a start, but no end, eternity has no beginning and no end. The multiverse hypothesis, whilst plausible, is unsatisfactory where an eternal and transcendent creator is omitted.
For me this is somewhat contradictory since this creator itself has no beginning and therefore not bound by our reality and our laws of logic or causailty and operates in a way that is beyond our imaginations and contrary to our own existance. If this is so then something outside of our existance also, in essence, does not exist. If you accept the possiblity of God as the creator of the multiverse/universe, then equally you cannot deny other possibilites for "creation" or just infinite existance that are outside our reality, laws of logic and understanding.
23 November 2018, 06:22 AM
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Why does an multiverse need a "creator"? If you believe infinity begins like a sequence, for example, beginning with 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 --> and so on forever; the possibility of infinite progression then you must also accept the possibility of infinite regression. For me, infinity is defined as without limits; 0, -,1, -2, -3, -4, -5, etc. Infinite regression is only a problem if one needs something to justify a "beginning"; a first cause.
For me this is somewhat contradictory since this creator itself has no beginning and therefore not bound by our reality and our laws of logic or causailty and operates in a way that is beyond our imaginations and contrary to our own existance. If this is so then something outside of our existance also, in essence, does not exist. If you accept the possiblity of God as the creator of the multiverse/universe, then equally you cannot deny other possibilites for "creation" or just infinite existance that are outside our reality, laws of logic and understanding.
For me this is somewhat contradictory since this creator itself has no beginning and therefore not bound by our reality and our laws of logic or causailty and operates in a way that is beyond our imaginations and contrary to our own existance. If this is so then something outside of our existance also, in essence, does not exist. If you accept the possiblity of God as the creator of the multiverse/universe, then equally you cannot deny other possibilites for "creation" or just infinite existance that are outside our reality, laws of logic and understanding.
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