The Multiverse
21 October 2014, 05:10 PM
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the way neutrons fire etc etc, something that did interest me was some scientist said the present is an illusion, if you think about it as scary as it is, it makes sense. How short a time is the present, is it the amount of time it takes for a neutron to fire. Its perception again, how humans cope with reality.
The matrix thing I was on about was basically a theory that some super powerful being was running a simulations of the universe on a " super computer". Sounds far fetched but imagine the computing power we would have in a thousand years let alone a million years. The laws of physics are basically the computer code. I think that is the reason why quantum theory and the classic model of physics don't tie up, quantum theory is the true understanding of what exists, the classic model is a coded set of laws for the simulation to run on.
The matrix thing I was on about was basically a theory that some super powerful being was running a simulations of the universe on a " super computer". Sounds far fetched but imagine the computing power we would have in a thousand years let alone a million years. The laws of physics are basically the computer code. I think that is the reason why quantum theory and the classic model of physics don't tie up, quantum theory is the true understanding of what exists, the classic model is a coded set of laws for the simulation to run on.
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
21 October 2014, 05:35 PM
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Ok, but doesn't this contravene The Second Law of Thermodynamics?
Have a read of this:
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
Have a read of this:
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
21 October 2014, 05:40 PM
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What we view as reality is not necessarily what reality is. Take light and colours, we only see a very limited portion of the light spectrum and our perception of reality is based on that. Furthermore our brain often chooses to ignore what you actually see and processes information in a manner it sees fit.
This is seen in optical illusions. Where your brain distorts reality so you're seeing something that isn't actually there. Who's to say what we see out in the vastness of space is what is actually there?
This is seen in optical illusions. Where your brain distorts reality so you're seeing something that isn't actually there. Who's to say what we see out in the vastness of space is what is actually there?
21 October 2014, 05:59 PM
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21 October 2014, 06:43 PM
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Sorry to read that, Stedee. The Final Question's only a short story so shouldn't prove too time consuming. Let me know what you think.
21 October 2014, 09:34 PM
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What we view as reality is not necessarily what reality is. Take light and colours, we only see a very limited portion of the light spectrum and our perception of reality is based on that. Furthermore our brain often chooses to ignore what you actually see and processes information in a manner it sees fit.
This is seen in optical illusions. Where your brain distorts reality so you're seeing something that isn't actually there. Who's to say what we see out in the vastness of space is what is actually there?
This is seen in optical illusions. Where your brain distorts reality so you're seeing something that isn't actually there. Who's to say what we see out in the vastness of space is what is actually there?
21 October 2014, 09:46 PM
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What we view as reality is not necessarily what reality is. Take light and colours, we only see a very limited portion of the light spectrum and our perception of reality is based on that. Furthermore our brain often chooses to ignore what you actually see and processes information in a manner it sees fit.
his is seen in optical illusions. Where your brain distorts reality so you're seeing something that isn't actually there. Who's to say what we see out in the vastness of space is what is actually there?
his is seen in optical illusions. Where your brain distorts reality so you're seeing something that isn't actually there. Who's to say what we see out in the vastness of space is what is actually there?
I have to say they I usually see a bit more than usual and some weird sh7t when I ever have to consume Benedryl.
21 October 2014, 11:10 PM
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It's cyclical, but certainly doesn't answer the first cause question.
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god that was hard work, he likes to string it out, i`m not sure now where i got the time flow thing from now but obviously information theory, thermodynamics theory, same thing really??? says that cant happen, there have been exceptions which have kind of been explained away not particularly convincingly eg. the brain,
does multiverse theory comply with information theory??? i hadnt thought about it in long term timescales. i know information theory is possibly a cause or effect of wave function collapse. god my head is going to explode.
does multiverse theory comply with information theory??? i hadnt thought about it in long term timescales. i know information theory is possibly a cause or effect of wave function collapse. god my head is going to explode.
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god that was hard work, he likes to string it out, i`m not sure now where i got the time flow thing from now but obviously information theory, thermodynamics theory, same thing really??? says that cant happen, there have been exceptions which have kind of been explained away not particularly convincingly eg. the brain,
does multiverse theory comply with information theory??? i hadnt thought about it in long term timescales. i know information theory is possibly a cause or effect of wave function collapse. god my head is going to explode.
does multiverse theory comply with information theory??? i hadnt thought about it in long term timescales. i know information theory is possibly a cause or effect of wave function collapse. god my head is going to explode.
26 October 2014, 09:42 PM
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The Second Law of Thermodynamics postulates the irreversibility of a natural process through entropy; that with the flow of time, all process increases in disorder and/or complexity. If you apply this to the beginning/creation, there was order before the creation of space, the universe and time was brought about through the big bang. However, it is also believed that when a divine entity said "let there be light" it created order form disorder, from chaos to harmony! Also what did this divine entity do with its "time" before creation?
27 October 2014, 10:45 PM
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The Trinity dwelt in timeless and eternal perfection.
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05 December 2014, 10:33 PM
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I don't reject anything, I just think based on what we know and observe, I would lean more towards the scientific and empirical rather than spiritual or religious standpoint, but that's not to question the validity or it to be any less valid for the latter, it's just my preferred way of thinking and something I can relate to more. Is our existence simply down to just probability or is it strictly governed or even following a pre-defined process or law that we are yet to discover or theorise? I can only go by with what we know and observe.
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I don't reject anything, I just think based on what we know and observe, I would lean more towards the scientific and empirical rather than spiritual or religious standpoint, but that's not to question the validity or it to be any less valid for the latter, it's just my preferred way of thinking and something I can relate to more. Is our existence simply down to just probability or is it strictly governed or even following a pre-defined process or law that we are yet to discover or theorise? I can only go by with what we know and observe.
I now pray and read the Word every day and I've never felt more inwardly peaceful. I feel close to the God who gave me the gifts described above.
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05 December 2014, 11:35 PM
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05 December 2014, 11:45 PM
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Well that's fair enough, Jon. I think my 'knowing' is almost ineffable. I recall being out in the bush in South Africa (Pilanesberg) and looking up at the southern cross when two shooting stars streaked across space. This was just before seeing a pair of crocodile eyes floating atop the lake where we stopped for a drink and about an hour after a mesmerising sunset. This was a precursor to my conversion. I was simply stunned by the beauty and in awe of the majesty of the creation that stretched out before me. I can't and indeed do not want to attribute this to simple fluke.
I now pray and read the Word every day and I've never felt more inwardly peaceful. I feel close to the God who give me the gifts described above.
I now pray and read the Word every day and I've never felt more inwardly peaceful. I feel close to the God who give me the gifts described above.
Whilst in my case the location may not have been as exotic but no less majestic, staying in a remote cottage in the Lake District with the family, having put the kids to bed after a long day slogging up to the top and around Helvellyn, sat out late evening, with no light pollution to speak of and looking up at the clear night sky and seeing the Milky Way. I remember questioning how many stars are out there, how long the light from those stars took to get here, whether those stars in question still existed and whether they were actually stars or galaxies I was looking and pondering at the probability of other life out there. It was then rudely interrupted by the wife telling me to shut up and come inside as it was cold! 
Hopefully this might give you and insight of how I think of existence and the universe we live in.
06 December 2014, 09:39 AM
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That is pretty special. Whilst in my case the location may not have been as exotic but no less majestic, staying in a remote cottage in the Lake District with the family, having put the kids to bed after a long day slogging up to the top and around Helvellyn, sat out late evening, with no light pollution to speak of and looking up at the clear night sky and seeing the Milky Way. I remember questioning how many stars are out there, how long the light from those stars took to get here, whether those stars in question still existed and whether they were actually stars or galaxies I was looking and pondering at the probability of other life out there. It was then rudely interrupted by the wife telling me to shut up and come inside as it was cold!
Hopefully this might give you and insight of how I think of existence and the universe we live in.
Whilst in my case the location may not have been as exotic but no less majestic, staying in a remote cottage in the Lake District with the family, having put the kids to bed after a long day slogging up to the top and around Helvellyn, sat out late evening, with no light pollution to speak of and looking up at the clear night sky and seeing the Milky Way. I remember questioning how many stars are out there, how long the light from those stars took to get here, whether those stars in question still existed and whether they were actually stars or galaxies I was looking and pondering at the probability of other life out there. It was then rudely interrupted by the wife telling me to shut up and come inside as it was cold! Hopefully this might give you and insight of how I think of existence and the universe we live in.
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18 November 2018, 04:50 AM
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Great thread
Sort of thread that gets my head spinning!
Sort of thread that gets my head spinning!
20 November 2018, 11:17 PM
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I do miss these kinds of threads, just to exercise the old grey matter.
So did God create a multiverse? Is there anything in any holy scripture that would give a hint of this? The multiverse hypothisis is that that there is an infinite number of universe which means, in my mind for reasons I explained 4 years ago, there could not have been a beginning and therefore no point of creation as infinity ceases to exist at that point; something cannot come/be created from absolutely nothing. Absolute nothing cannot exist as absolute nothing has no properties whatsoever and therefore cannot act or be acted upon, what properties does God have that can act or be acted upon? If God has properties then there should be empirical evidence for these properties and therefore succumb to the laws of nature. If God can have no properties that can act or be acted upon, then it is also true by reason that that there can also be absolute nothing and at that point existence of absolutely everything including god ceases to exist. So my answer is no, God did not create multiple universes.
So did God create a multiverse? Is there anything in any holy scripture that would give a hint of this? The multiverse hypothisis is that that there is an infinite number of universe which means, in my mind for reasons I explained 4 years ago, there could not have been a beginning and therefore no point of creation as infinity ceases to exist at that point; something cannot come/be created from absolutely nothing. Absolute nothing cannot exist as absolute nothing has no properties whatsoever and therefore cannot act or be acted upon, what properties does God have that can act or be acted upon? If God has properties then there should be empirical evidence for these properties and therefore succumb to the laws of nature. If God can have no properties that can act or be acted upon, then it is also true by reason that that there can also be absolute nothing and at that point existence of absolutely everything including god ceases to exist. So my answer is no, God did not create multiple universes.