Ok, but doesn't this contravene The Second Law of Thermodynamics?

Have a read of this:

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

 

Hmmm good point. I'll look into that. I don't like that theory same with information theory, start off quite simple then they go all wierd

 

What we view as reality is not necessarily what reality is. Take light and colours, we only see a very limited portion of the light spectrum and our perception of reality is based on that. Furthermore our brain often chooses to ignore what you actually see and processes information in a manner it sees fit.
This is seen in optical illusions. Where your brain distorts reality so you're seeing something that isn't actually there. Who's to say what we see out in the vastness of space is what is actually there?

 

Do you think you'll get a chance to read Asimov?

 

I think I have in the past when I was at school many many years ago, I'll have a look , got sacked yesterday so I'll have a bit of time lol

 

Sorry to read that, Stedee. The Final Question's only a short story so shouldn't prove too time consuming. Let me know what you think.

 

Our brains are nothing more than chemical reactions and electrical impulses....or is it? Some might say the universe(s) only exist simply because there is someone or something exists to perceive it.

 

Infinite Regress.

 

You're very right. Who's to say what we see is what it actually is or isn't? It could be what your brain has no capacity to register at all. It could be so grand that your brain can't take the pressure of, or it may not exist at all but it does; in your view?

I have to say they I usually see a bit more than usual and some weird sh7t when I ever have to consume Benedryl.

 

As Carl Sagan succinctly put it, “we are a way for the cosmos to know itself.”

It's cyclical, but certainly doesn't answer the first cause question.

 

god that was hard work, he likes to string it out, i`m not sure now where i got the time flow thing from now but obviously information theory, thermodynamics theory, same thing really??? says that cant happen, there have been exceptions which have kind of been explained away not particularly convincingly eg. the brain,

does multiverse theory comply with information theory??? i hadnt thought about it in long term timescales. i know information theory is possibly a cause or effect of wave function collapse. god my head is going to explode.

 

I don't really understand the highlighted question.

 

You mean you don't have sufficient information for a meaningful understanding

 

 

The Second Law of Thermodynamics postulates the irreversibility of a natural process through entropy; that with the flow of time, all process increases in disorder and/or complexity. If you apply this to the beginning/creation, there was order before the creation of space, the universe and time was brought about through the big bang. However, it is also believed that when a divine entity said "let there be light" it created order form disorder, from chaos to harmony! Also what did this divine entity do with its "time" before creation?

 

It does.

Ok.

By whom?

The Trinity dwelt in timeless and eternal perfection.

 

I much prefer the point of view that creation of the universe(s) is just a fluke, to me that is just as plausible.

 

By whom? You never did answer.

 

So you reject the 'argument from contingency'. Why?

 

I don't reject anything, I just think based on what we know and observe, I would lean more towards the scientific and empirical rather than spiritual or religious standpoint, but that's not to question the validity or it to be any less valid for the latter, it's just my preferred way of thinking and something I can relate to more. Is our existence simply down to just probability or is it strictly governed or even following a pre-defined process or law that we are yet to discover or theorise? I can only go by with what we know and observe.

 

#48

 

I think it was from a Hebrew translation that I went through back many years ago in my R.E lesson. Maybe I should have paid more attention in that class.

 

Well that's fair enough, Jon. I think my 'knowing' is almost ineffable. I recall being out in the bush in South Africa (Pilanesberg) and looking up at the southern cross when two shooting stars streaked across space. This was just before seeing a pair of crocodile eyes floating atop the lake where we stopped for a drink and about an hour after a mesmerising sunset. This was a precursor to my conversion. I was simply stunned by the beauty and in awe of the majesty of the creation that stretched out before me. I can't and indeed do not want to attribute this to simple fluke.

I now pray and read the Word every day and I've never felt more inwardly peaceful. I feel close to the God who gave me the gifts described above.

 

He's got a pretty good gig this god

He just gets to do all the cool stuff

Presumably all the other **** is down to humanity

 

You've read Lord of the Flies, haven't you?

 

That is pretty special. Whilst in my case the location may not have been as exotic but no less majestic, staying in a remote cottage in the Lake District with the family, having put the kids to bed after a long day slogging up to the top and around Helvellyn, sat out late evening, with no light pollution to speak of and looking up at the clear night sky and seeing the Milky Way. I remember questioning how many stars are out there, how long the light from those stars took to get here, whether those stars in question still existed and whether they were actually stars or galaxies I was looking and pondering at the probability of other life out there. It was then rudely interrupted by the wife telling me to shut up and come inside as it was cold!

Hopefully this might give you and insight of how I think of existence and the universe we live in.

 

It does. Beautiful morning!

 

 

Great thread

Sort of thread that gets my head spinning!

 

I do miss these kinds of threads, just to exercise the old grey matter.

So did God create a multiverse? Is there anything in any holy scripture that would give a hint of this? The multiverse hypothisis is that that there is an infinite number of universe which means, in my mind for reasons I explained 4 years ago, there could not have been a beginning and therefore no point of creation as infinity ceases to exist at that point; something cannot come/be created from absolutely nothing. Absolute nothing cannot exist as absolute nothing has no properties whatsoever and therefore cannot act or be acted upon, what properties does God have that can act or be acted upon? If God has properties then there should be empirical evidence for these properties and therefore succumb to the laws of nature. If God can have no properties that can act or be acted upon, then it is also true by reason that that there can also be absolute nothing and at that point existence of absolutely everything including god ceases to exist. So my answer is no, God did not create multiple universes.