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Old 04 September 2014, 02:25 PM
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So true yet so many fail to realise the importance of handling and responsiveness, was having a chat to a bloke with a really nice yank motor running 600+bhp with a shot of NOS for the drag strip, he was a fan of the Impreza and asked what I was running, saw the brakes and thought I had some secrets under the hood, told him about 265bhp and he said yeah but you'd still kill me in the twisties.
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
So true yet so many fail to realise the importance of handling and responsiveness, was having a chat to a bloke with a really nice yank motor running 600+bhp with a shot of NOS for the drag strip, he was a fan of the Impreza and asked what I was running, saw the brakes and thought I had some secrets under the hood, told him about 265bhp and he said yeah but you'd still kill me in the twisties.
I struggled to shake a very well driven 106 GTI on a B road in my mk4 R32 Golf (twice the power, much more weight) but an older RS6 Avant couldn't shake me on twisty roads in the same car either - it's all about weight and agility, hence why the Megane Sports are such massive giant killers on a track. Stripped out (usually older) BMWs are even more impressive but clearly not standard.
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Originally Posted by Xline
and at the same time, a better driver could also kill you in the twisties in an inferior car.
It's not what you've got, it's how you use it.
You've obviously not heard about my embarrassing a Ferrari with a Rover 214.
Old 04 September 2014, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
So true yet so many fail to realise the importance of handling and responsiveness, was having a chat to a bloke with a really nice yank motor running 600+bhp with a shot of NOS for the drag strip, he was a fan of the Impreza and asked what I was running, saw the brakes and thought I had some secrets under the hood, told him about 265bhp and he said yeah but you'd still kill me in the twisties.
i agree ditchy it what you are doing with the car that matters.
at totb this year the track on the saturday was tight and twisty and the gtrs could match the imprezas and evos.
they opened it up on the sunday and it was a totally different story
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
I struggled to shake a very well driven 106 GTI on a B road in my mk4 R32 Golf (twice the power, much more weight) but an older RS6 Avant couldn't shake me on twisty roads in the same car either - it's all about weight and agility, hence why the Megane Sports are such massive giant killers on a track. Stripped out (usually older) BMWs are even more impressive but clearly not standard.
Good little cars those 106 GTI's a mate out here has a modded one with 136bhp on coil overs and bigger brakes amongst other things, very very rapid once moving.
I do have to be careful out here because all the local boys are into modding because the taxes, insurance etc involved in changing cars means they tend to keep them and mod instead of upgrading, loads of 1.4 civics running 2.0L engines all stripped out on coilies, saxo's and the little pugs are all popular too because of the narrow twisty roads, handling is king out here.
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
i agree ditchy it what you are doing with the car that matters.
at totb this year the track on the saturday was tight and twisty and the gtrs could match the imprezas and evos.
they opened it up on the sunday and it was a totally different story
I competed in a local sprint last sunday (i'll load some pics later) you'll laugh when you see the state of some of the cars, but they all go pretty well on slicks around a track that was better suited to go carts, I could only get into second gear for about a quarter of the track the rest of it was in 1st, still managed to get 3rd in class though *cough* there was only 4 of us in that class mind, but that's not the point. third on the first outing in a few years aint bad.

Up against Auto Bianci's and Zastavas a yugo won and was 10 seconds faster than every one else bar a 30yr old ficho (communist block fiat 500) runining a tuned R1 engine.
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Originally Posted by Xline
I've seen loads of Ferraris on the roads around here, never once have I seen one driven quickly. You don't buy that sort of car to rag around in, they're purely for posing. You rag around in old bangers that you won't worry too much about if you shove it backwards in a ditch. You know ... things like clapped out classics, company cars or white vans
Oh he was trying alright, but as in my other posts above, the roads out here are very twisty and big power is not much use even if your already in front, driver skill handling, also don't know if you've ever driven a rover 214 but they have some cracking ratios 3rd goes up to 98mph and very responsive between 4k and the limiter so 60 to a ton is very well suited to the roads out here.
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Old 04 September 2014, 04:25 PM
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My mate had a chavved Nova pull up next to him at that lights. He was in his brand new RS4 and got annihilated! He was so annoyed, he had it supercharged then wrote it off.

I had a brilliant "race" with a new Vantage not long ago. Before anyone laughs, the performance figures are extremely close to my car (in fact my 0-60 is quicker). He drove the wheels off it, I nailed mine; very evenly matched, all in good spirits. Awesome fun.
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This was the track to give an idea of scale.
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And a few more hot rods.
















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Old 04 September 2014, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
You've obviously not heard about my embarrassing a Ferrari with a Rover 214.
in the mid 90's i was driving my MK2 Golf 16v (in the twisties) and couldn't shake of a guy in a transit van

(i just hope it was empty, and i hope to fvck it was a "guy")
Old 04 September 2014, 07:47 PM
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Lol, It was a girl and she was fully loaded, you wish.
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When my mk4 R32 had a hesitation issue at 2.5k, I genuinely got out dragged by a double decker bus...
Old 04 September 2014, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline
That's nothing.
I was driving up to north and left the M6 at Sandbach to head towards Macclesfield on some (unfamiliar to me at the time) twisties. It was dark and the roads were heavily tree lined. My missus was asleep in the passenger seat so I was driving "progressively" but smoothly so she could sleep. A dustbin truck pulled out in front of me up ahead. I thought bollocks, but decided not to floor it past him.
It took him a short while but he got up to speed. and when I say got up to speed I mean 60ish+ and he was clearly on a f*cking mission to get somewhere. It was actually all I could do to keep up with him as he knew the road ahead like the back of his hand and all I could see were his tail lights and a vague idea where the road was going from the sat nav. Needless to say the missus woke up wondering what the hell I was playing at and then laughed as we both watched in awe as this massive bin truck was going round tight corners nearly on two wheels and clipping bits of trees and hedges all over the place.
I am glad I didn't overtake because he'd probably have overtaken me
I can claim the moral high ground as I was merely following. Yeah right ..!
I was impressed to say the least.
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
When my mk4 R32 had a hesitation issue at 2.5k, I genuinely got out dragged by a double decker bus...
Ahah brilliant

Although xline - like you say he knew those roads ( I can imagine you repeating that for a couple of days)

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Old 04 September 2014, 08:59 PM
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Had a blast against my mates Boxster S back when I had my classic turbo and it just left me around the corners.

The new Boxster looks great imho and probably doesnt feel fast compared to a turbo but is still shifting regardless.

My neighbour has a 152k mile 2.7 and has had very little go wrong with it for the age.
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Originally Posted by P1Fanatic
Had a blast against my mates Boxster S back when I had my classic turbo and it just left me around the corners.

The new Boxster looks great imho and probably doesnt feel fast compared to a turbo but is still shifting regardless.

My neighbour has a 152k mile 2.7 and has had very little go wrong with it for the age.
Yes it cornered well.... end of good points.

Mine was an unreliable piece of crap...just saying.
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I can't comment about the Boxster, as I've got a 996 Carrera 4. But they do share in essence the same engine issue.
And it can be a wallet-melter.
The issues are either bore-score/piston slap (remember the Impreza MY98s?), or IMS meltdown - both require an engine rebuild. Circa £8500 from a reputable engine repairer (such as Hartech). Porsche will gladly sell you a new engine..... that has the same fault.
Poor/bean-counter design resulted in sub-standard implementation of the cooling system.

People will harp on about RMS - but it's just a seal that can go due to poor design/fitting (Fifth Gear waxed lyrical about it - it's not a major problem)

That said, the failure rates are relatively low, and only affect all engines BUT the Turbo and the GT range.
Later 997 mk2 engines (inc later Boxster 987) were more reliable, and of course, the new 991 range.

The only other things that can go "wrong" due to wear and tear, are suspension items. Can be quite expensive to replace.

The 996 (despite being had for circa £10k) can bite you financially. Remember - they're a £75k car. With £75k running costs.
FWIW, with the bad weather last year, and feckin potholes), I went through £1200 of rear tyres!
My servicing is quite good. Minor service every other year about £300. Major service every other year about £550 ish.
The Boxster is a great car. And I nearly had one, but for the requirement of the back seats, I went 911.

Dan
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