XDevil666

I agree times are changing, the M5 does an outstanding 14 mpg in the city and 20 mpg on the highway. at 560bhp

and the AMG S65 runs 621bhp and stating a eco of 23mpg

its got **** all to do with "performance car owners look to the economy"

its to do with the governments having to cut emissions!

not cash strapped donkeys like yourself looking at fuel prices

Littleted

I go by what the trip says, most ive had is 37mpg, normally its around 30 32mpg.

I kind of think its right in a way. If I hammer it then its 20s. but I don't hammer it all the time.

I thinking 350 400 to a tank if I drive normally 56L tank. Put it this way its a lot better than my scoob was, and the best I ever got that to with the trip was 32mpg. lucky to get 300 to tank normally 260 ish.

Id love to buy a GTR M5 or M4 or even a 2nd hand R8, but I don't feel like I want to spunk all the cash into filling it up and servicing it. Id rather spend it on Holidays etc. The governments slowly but surely tightening the screws, and myself travelling up and down the M1 needs a car that's fun and does OK mpg, ive had the new E350 which was fast but boring as hell to drive, once that honeymoon period wore off I wanted rid of that shed ASAP.

Its all personal choice really and if you like Subarus because you track then Rally them or do something that's way out there then I think its a good car. But for Business practicality and cost for me, the newage hatchs wins hands down.

Saying that this weekend I saw 3 golf Rs, ive yet to see an A45..... I think VAG have spoilt that car with having cheap Lease deals, shame really.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Well if you really agree how about shutting your obnoxious big mouth in future then as all you've done for the past six months on here is write utter crap about how great the Impreza is and what a cheapskate and a wannabe someone who can afford a car like a A45 AMG is which considering it costs 20 times more than what you can afford makes you look like a jealous t0sser frankly!

Brun

I do the maths every time I fill up (sad I know). My 330's trip computer is the best I've had and is always within 1 mpg of actual.
Just interested to know a calculated figure for a car with so much bang

XDevil666

sarcasm buddy!

20 x more than what I can afford you say? tell me 20 x more the reasons why it would be worth it?

im a poor person - yet im the one who isn't moaning about paying more tax and fuel

Littleted

Brun this is just a snap ive taken, I,ll have to try work it out.

Basics were I went Leeds Chester and Back 181 Miles averaged 50MPH ( due to traffic works and also country roads ) and returned 34.8. I then didn't reset but pootled about bezzed about, and yesterday went from Leeds to Bolton Abbey all country roads 30MPH, apart from Burley in Wharfdale where I opened it up.... you can see Average dropped a lot and its starting to creep down, but still good in comparison. I,ll get one next time I do a big run

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ah so you've been joking with us for the last six months... fair enough.

However, given you're 'tell me why it would be 20 times more worth it' comment I tend to think you are not being wholly truthful so I will hold the thought that you're a jealous t0sser for now.

Littleted

ok lets get back on Track, I know this is about the A45 but if you had to buy a hatch that is newage, and good MPG, base it on your needs, Money 50K in ya wallet.

Where would your money go......

Mine would be

A45
Golf R or M135
S3

and if next year

As Above but Civic Type R
RS3
Golf R400

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

If I had £50K I think I would only be looking at the A45 or the BMW.

Golfs are great cars, but they are not quite 'up there' in my mind. Never been a massive fan of modern Audis and as much as I love my Hondas (I have owned 4) the modern Civic isn't doing it for me shapewise which I know shouldn't matter but it does.

The BMW has grown in me recently and they do look good in M135i guise. Yep it would be between the AMG and BMW for me.

However I don't have £50K LOL!

XDevil666

GTR although not a brand new one

Matteeboy

F1 - well I got my M135i one a "mid spec" (added nav, cruise, metallic paint, heated seats, better stereo and a few other little bits plus the sport auto box) for under £30k. It retailed at just over £35k with the options. And that was built to my order.

We've had mid 30s mpg on a long but very fast trip (30mpg on a loon trip across Europe); now mpg isn't the be all and end all but RANGE is, even if you're a zillionaire. We get over 300 miles a tank and that is vital - it means we can see London clients (280 miles away) without stopping to fill up. A lot of these mega saloons, older M BMWs and especially Imprezas have utterly cr4p range; filling up every 200 miles or less is a monster PITA.

The looks are still a bit odd (even a biased me can see it's not a stunning car but it suits me as it's SO understated) but a 320bhp turbo'd six pot that sees mid 4s to 60 and 100 in around 10.5 to 11s, has peak torque at 1300rpm so doesn't need thrashing and can be flung around at silly speeds but also doubles as a really comfy cruiser is just ideal for us and a fair few others.

XDevil666

You and littleted have kind of said the same, can I ask seriously here for a second, how come something like this was your choice of car for a business car? because mpg and fuel costs aside - it is a ball ache filling up every 2 days

my boss used to use the S6 everyday and he would constantly be throwing his keys and credit card to someone every day to fill it up, as he doesn't do the "petrol station", don't get me wrong it was great that everyone used to fly around in an S6 but I recall a time he phoned someone up shouting because a DB9 stopped on the motorway and they said "has it got fuel in" and he just put the phone down lol

scoobyskool

iTrader: (1)

Try "fuelly" app ted if you want to track your mpg easily and accurately - i used it for ages when i ran the landrover ,, just a matter of tapping in your fill up on your fone on the app every fill up if you can be bothered

Whatever mpg youre getting now it should improve a tad anyway as the engine gets a little more use ,, i run a ds3 dport diesel as a daily and after about 6 months from new the mpg defo got better even though its phenomenal already

LEO-RS

For me, the A45 is an awkward looking car, it just doesn't suit its rear end, the M135i is even worse (In hatch form anyway), the 135i for me anyway even though it has a great engine, would be a no go. A45 charges a premium but yet still has some nasty plastics in the cabin, in addition, I hear the dual clutch gearbox in the car is absolutely awful and nowhere near as good as the Audi/VW DSG transmissions. Lots of complaints about hesitant shifts, slow and jerky shifts and short shifts.

S3 over the Golf R every day of the week, more premium, better build, interior and it's lighter and quicker. Not quite sure what VW are thinking, with the cheap lease deals on the Golf R, they are ten a penny and are going to come crashing down when the lease deals end and the market is flooded.

CLA45 AMG is nicer than the A45 AMG, looks more classy and less boy racerish but ultimately still has the quirks with the dual clutch and the cheap looking dash. I would have Audi S3 and CLA45 AMG on top personally, the CLA version rear end is much nicer with a more aggressive stance.

New RS3 should be a hoot, the Audi S3 is already in the 11sec 1/4m range with just merely a tuning box fitted.

Littleted

The gearbox issues have gone now Leo with the latest TCU update, a lot moaned when it first came out but its spot on now. Been fine since June 2014 Builds.

Should read Aclass forums a guys just bought an S3 and almost immediately sold it after only a few months for the A45.

" First was it's a 3 door and we've got a 1yr old so massively impractical. Tried to change the order to a sportback but it was too late. 2 doors+baby car seat=car never got used hence the mileage.
Second it was dull as f**k and just not exciting. Very capable car but even at stage 2 (full Milltek turbo back and tuning box) it still wasn't exciting. Just never really bonded with it. Think it's probably cuz I had an 8P S3 before so never really felt like a totally new car, just a newer version.
Drove an A45 earlier this yr and had to have one. So much more exciting and special inside and out. Took me a while to convince the missus and sort a deal but managed it in the end! "

lovely inside the S3 just dull to drive. but I suppose I was expecting too much comeing from 320BHP t0 300

LEO-RS

Yeah I know the guy, ordered a 3 door S3 with a baby on the way. Audi wouldn't let him cancel/change his order so he put up with it and thought it would be okay only for him to really struggle getting the baby in and out. If he had ordered the sportback or saloon, he would have been fine.

I don't think he will like the A45 to be fair either, similar size and he's still going to have 'room' issues, 5 doors or not. Performance wise, standard vs standard, tuned vs tuned, although it has 60hp more, its no quicker due to it being substantially heavier (150kg) If you don't bond with a car, you don't bond with it I suppose. Personally, I prefer the more grown up CLA45, think it looks great from the rear and looks menacing in red with the black wheels and pano roof

Good to know Mercedes have sorted the gearbox issues, not quite sure its upto the same standards as Audi/VW's DSG though, some saying still a bit slow/jerky on downshifts.

Matteeboy

You'd have to be serious Audi fanboy to order one over an R or an M135i; check the Evo test against the BM. The Audi gets crucified.

Looks wise, I saw a sportback the other day and it just looked boring with the quad exhausts looking massively out of place.

The Golf R is the current hot hatch darling of the car media. The S3 isn't. Same as when I had the V6 R32 too; the Audi always seems to be worse to drive and more dull.

I can't stand the DSG box either. It's old tech now, hesitates as you pull away, has questionablr reliability. BMs 8 speed sport auto is light years ahead.

Littleted

I presume you don't read the aclass forum then.

R vs A45 stock A45 win
R revo stage 1 vs A45 rebellions A45 wins

60BHP more but heavier but still faster but it is the most Powerful engine in the universe

If you find the post its all over the aclass and R forums

R guy was saying how he got spanked by an A45 and wanted to know if it was modded cos hes running revo stage 1 at 350 to 380 BHP

we kindly pointed him at ED whos car it was

Matteeboy

Big power!

Not a lot of tuning options for mine so far; jb4 gets you to 360ish (most run in M135is are 340ish anyway) but the big hike is torque which leaps well into the 400s.

I have seen numbers on a tuning boxed S3 and it was impressive; sub 4s to 60, late 8s to 100.

Littleted

think stage 3s can do that..

Matteeboy

It can be Veyron fast; but I still don't want one!

LEO-RS

Hmmm, trust me buddy, that is not true. Two of your biggest players over on the a class forums are aware of this. Happened yesterday at a 1/4m day

Same day, same track, same conditions. S3 had 360hp, A45 had 415hp.

Audi S3 - 12.00
A45 AMG - 12.17

Results from yesterday, scroll down to 2.0T class... (Screenshot below)

http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/dragstripclassres.php



As it stands to date, 2.0t class current 1/4m standings in the UK are...

Audi S3 - 12.00 (DTE tuning box 360bhp) ( http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/showdr...ate=2014-08-31 )
A45 AMG - 12.07 (Rebellion Tuning box 415bhp) ( http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/showdr...ate=2014-03-30 )
Golf R - 12.15 (Revo Stage 1 365bhp) ( http://blog.revotechnik.com/revo-mk7...econd-14-mile/ )

Update at the bottom of this thread...

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads....222705/page-3

The A45 AMG although with a 55bhp advantage, does not make it a quicker car, just look at the 60ft launches from both cars, the lighter S3 consistently launching quicker (You click on the names on the crail website for breakdowns of the runs for 60ft info)

Mattee, the Audi/VW DSG transmission in 2014 is superb, quickest known shifting transmission out there at 8ms. (Same as Porsche PDK and the transmission used in the Veyron, all VW Tech) The Launch control is fantastic on these transmissions. Saying that, I cant comment on the BM tech as no experience with it personally. As for journos, Audi cars always seem to get a hard time due to their ''safe handling'' characteristics, but you would have to be bananas to take a Golf over an S3, the S3 offers far more as a package. As for evo and BMW vs Audi, it's been the same for years with that magazine, Chris Harris is the biggest hater of Audi and the biggest lover of BMW, most people pay no attention to him

Matteeboy

Utter bollox.


It's slower, has a low rent engine and gearbox, the usual dull Audi handling, looks frumpy and dull, has too many plasticky faux metal interior bits and understeers like a shopping trolley.

You are genuinely brain washed.

LEO-RS

Good god and you have the cheek to call me brainwashed? Did you actually look at the car you were buying or did you just buy it because it was on a cheap lease deal? The M135i is a hideously ugly car.

You are quoting an Evo comparison of a BMW vs an Audi test, not like evo to choose the BMW as the winner is it? Not quite sure what video you were watching there though, all I picked up was that the Audi felt a lot more fun than they were used too and the BM needed an LSD. Audi felt down on power (it is funnily enough especially as they were comparing 5 door sportback instead of lighter 3 door) Where did it mention poor handling understeer and too many plasticky bits? You really are clutching at straws.

Low rent engine and gearbox You actually have no idea what you're talking about, the Audi/VW DSG box and its launch capability in these new age cars (TTRS/R8 onwards) have been getting awesome reviews.

And with all due respect Mattee, you can only dream of 11/12 second 1/4m. All the M135i's Ive seen on the dragstrip have been **** poor. Rear wheel drive generally is

I'll let you go back to your BMW bubble now but Admit it, you leased the M135i due to the silly low rentals BMW were offering at the time. Now you think it's a world beater, how much were the deals, £220 per month? They had to practically give them away as no-one was buying them, tells you a lot when manufacturers do that Audi vs BMW interior, no contest.

You post a 12 sec 1/4m time and below and I'll eat my hat, until then, probably best keeping your trap shut, you genuinely wouldn't see which way an S3/A45 or Golf R went on a dragstrip

Matteeboy

Yes an A45 is quicker; it has MORE POWER but an R and an S3; did you WATCH that video where less powerful S3 was battered by the BM?

You constantly quote TUNED times because you're a retard.

A stock M135i is considerably quicker than an S3 or R off the line. An quicker than an S3 around any track.

You appear to lack the knowledge of basic physics.

It's almost hilarious.

And the M135i I bought l outright? Don't insult me with your leasing BS.

Littleted

I stand corrected, wonder which map,he's running then for 415 Ahh I see it's rebellions... Bet he's sad lol. Is it stage 1 v2 he's got or the old un?



With regard to the DSG I was advised by the honest john website, when I was about to buy the S3 to steer clear of VAGs DSG and get manual, I also see on the R forums a few have failed already.

It may get a good review but what's it's reliability like and,longevity, honest john didn't seem to rate it... Which did put me in a pickle because I wanted auto.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Mattie don't rise to it. Walter Mitty won't be told. All three of the German super hatches are awesome and have their relative merits.

LEO-RS

Haha, you're now a keyboard warrior with the name calling. How old are you Matthew? Good grief.

Tell you what Matthew, go prove it. Put your money where your mouth is and go pull a 4.2 0-60 on the flat and post the vbox graph. Until then, probably best you keep quiet before you make a bigger **** of yourself than you're already making

Did you just state that the RWD M135i was quicker off the line than the S3/Golf R? You then had the tenacity to talk about physics

As for leasing, nope, I don't believe you. I remember you were all over the lease deal at the time and don't believe any sane person with £25k in the bank would plunge it into one of these. Get yourself along to a dragstrip though and stop talking the talk, easy way to settle an argument

LEO-RS

I have numerous times, yes. If you buy a performance car, surely you would use it at track events? If not, what's the point in buying a performance car? To pose around in?

Littleted

Leo that time you posted is from ages ago?

Gregs times is march, s3 is yesterday am I reading the site right? If that's the case then he's running a rebellion stage one V1 which was ****e....

The map I have the proper one RENNtechs has 2 car lengths on that one from rebellion, hence why they dropped V2

Explain it to me, or am I right is his time from March?