T5NYW

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So I will correct you

The cars has been to Germany 4 times was on an autobahn at the time 130-90 breaking. 130 is only 6,100 rpm is on 6th

AST suspension had no bearing on the engine and were removed for released ProR springs

Yes my statement is correct the red saloon is NOT my track car it is for shopping and holidays. So statements correct

I let it run out of oil??? Yes I did!! As the 2.5 ltr engine drank 4.2ltrs of Oil in 177miles since it was last checked. with no signs of oil usage. No warning lights and no fault codes.

I have Been complaining of erratic oil usage and performance issues since 8 months old when ProR pack was fitted

The performance issue was sorted 2 years later but cannot discuss as signed a non disclosure agreement with Subaru UK.

Tony

f1_fan

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Yes, there has been a recall

Hint hint!

Absolute bollox.... why do you write lies to support your argument? Oh yes, because you are wrong!

So what? An STI should be able to do track work, they all could up until the 2.5!

Carnut

I apologise if I have it wrong but you had put that it was no longer a shopping car and was now a track car.

Carnut

I am glad you agree, its the information I got from the A45 AMG forum, not everything you read on forums is true

There has been a LOT of A45 AMG s fail though.

Shaun

F1_fan,
Why should it be able to cope with track work? Other being a totally ambiguous statement, it's use under those conditions is in breach of warranty, as it is with nearly all car manufacturers.

f1_fan

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Nope, virtually none actually. There has been a recall for a turbo/oil line check on the early cars and some have had turbo replacements, but outright failures... nope!

f1_fan

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Well the simplest answer is because the previous models could. You would think that if you sold your old 2L and bought a newer car then it should match or exceed the performance of the car it replaced. Or am I being daft?

T5NYW

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No my error as typo!!!

Tony

Shaun

F1,
IMO it's naive to base a judgement on an assumption or expectation, especially on something that is stated in black and white is not covered.

The case here should be whether or not the 2.5 is fit for purpose prescribed under normal road use surely. You can't complain about something that is noted as being excluded. That's daft.

The 2ltr Newage, in comparison, was over engineered IMO. That's great for us 2ltr owners, but I doubt we'll ever see that again.

f1_fan

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Aha, so when you to the showroom and there are pictures of Subaru's rallying heritage all over the place, the literature talks about sporting looks and performance derived from years of rallying experience, the car itself looks like a hybrid from a rally stage with spoilers, vents, etc. AND your old car used to be able to hack it then you are being naive to expect the car to be able to handle a few laps of track use ... or even just being revved up to the redline regularly.... righty ho then!

Thank f**k they made the car so ugly I went elsewhere and at least now own a car I don't think is going to blow up if I decided on a few laps of the Ring one day despite track use not being mandated by its manufacturer either (are any cars other than track specials supplied with such a mandate?)

thenewgalaxy

I love the way in these threads people will talk about all other manufacturers building cars with bulletproof engines, such as Porsche - and Subaru being the only known brand to have ever had engine issues.

Absolute crap, mine blew up. And it wasn't the well-known rear main seal issue.

Carnut

I used to race motocross and enduro (both bikes and quads) and you never get warranty on them as new because they are sold as track vehicles, I am talking about manufacturers such as Honda etc but I would be interested to know if cars sold for track get warranty.

I know with some supercars if you use launch control or track mode then that can invalidate warranty, dont ask me which one, probably TG or a late night youtube vid.

Carnut

Do you know when Lynx do those adverts with the "Lynx Effect" do you think that if you was to use it girls will come calling like sex crazed animals.

In fact you probably do you probably bought a AMG because you thought it would make you look cool and sharp, oh and lets not forget sophisticated.

f1_fan

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I think and I could be wrong (although unlikely ) that the Nisan GTR has some disclaimer about using launch control.

And conversely somewhere on YouTube is a video of a Porsche having launch control activated 50 times one after the other with no ill effects.

In fact it's here:

Shaun

Your points here are made of 100% subjective personal opinion - they're irrelevant in this instance.

fpan

iTrader: (11)

Well said.
What engine and what was the problem with the Porsche?

MOTORS S GT

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That is people on this forum, there are alot of failed 2.5's under warranty that do not use or even know this forum exists to list any sort of failure.

Cars out of warranty still fail & continue to fail, I don't think its acceptable for a 2008 car well looked after at 50 to 55,000 miles to require full engine builds due to failings of the manufacturer.

I personnelly as an engine builder have done in the last 3.5 years 28 2.5 piston ringland failed 2.5 engines, ranging from 7,000 miles to 68,000 miles.

If David at API, & Alan at Enginetuner look through there stats they would certainly of done more than me.

urban

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Subaru UK say there isn't a problem sure, so no need for a recall then

jayallen

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What a surprise, another thread you have got your nose well an truly poked in...

urban

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Yet all these other highly knowledgeable fellows claim different.
Like that the recent Subaru dealer try to flog his wares with magical warranty reports.

Carnut

Why dont you do you're thing and I will do mine instead of following me round.

I tell you what the problem is, Subaru don't give a **** about the UK because of the likes of the average SN member.

urban

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Absolutely

jayallen

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Following you around? Oh dear...

More like no matter which thread i click on, you're there wading through it....1600 posts in just 10 months kind of highlights what I'm saying.

TBH, i do find you somewhat amusing, your comment about the 2.5 failure rate only a few posts up this page is very funny.....Basing it on failures only reported on this board...

Carnut

You mentioned cars going in for warranty claims that are not SN members, thats just not possible to understand how many but because it comes from you then people will get the info and run with it.

And you mention a "2008 car" well what about hawkeyes and my11 and in fact anything after 2009, you are tarnishing all 2.5 with the same brush.

You also give numbers of cars that you have seen with engine failures (ringland) but are these cars standard, what age were they, but obviously you will see problems, that's what engine builder's are there for.

The 2.0 was in a world of its own and as someone else said over engineered but unfortunately that time has gone. What Subaru have done is move on but unfortunately SN just seems content with bitching on about how bad they are rather than trying to understand.

All car manufacturers have engine failures but what most dont have is well respected engine builder's attacking the very thing that makes them there living and forums that hate the brand.

There is clearly a problem with the 2.5 but is it now just as bad as others or is it worse, was it mainly the 2008-2009 hatch with the newer cars not being so bad or what.

I KNOW THAT THERE iS A PROBLEM WITH THE 2.5 ENGINE just how big and how do they stack up against other marques.

Carnut

1600 posts in 10 months, well you're right, I dont have anything better to do but if I did I wouldn't waste it with people like you.

I am not basing my failure rates on this site alone, the truth is I have no real idea on how big the problem is but neither do you or anyone else on SN.

jayallen

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So what is that comment below based on?

A respected engine builder has told you how many 2.5's he has rebuilt in the last 3.5 years due to ringland failure and that's without any of the other builders that frequent this board adding to the tally....Yet you still want to argue.

There are now pending lawsuits in other Country's regrading the issues with this same engine, yet you still want to argue.

What if a tech from a Subaru dealership popped on here and told you about the issues with the 2.5, would you also argue with him?....Because there is one on SN.

You're a clown fella, who for some bizarre reason likes to argue in every thread you post in......This is the second time I've used this smiley today whilst replying to you because i think its more than apt..------>

MOTORS S GT

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I mentioned the 2008 cars as thats when the Hatch was introduced here, & is the model that highlighted the problem, the 28 failures are a mix of mainly Hawkeyes, be it STI, RB320 etc, which come in as headgaskets issues that have ringland fractures as a result of the strip down, Hatches usually have big end failure that stops them, but the enormous oil consumption brought on by the escalating piston issue, empties the sump on quite a short mileage, as in Tony's case here, which I can tell you is not uncommon, in fact is the norm, as in any modern car you should not need to open up the bonnet & check the engine oil every trip you make.

As for modified or standard, yes some were modified in that they had been remapped, some not, the remapped ones had the higher miles on when they failed.

I am not attacking Subaru, as stated I make a living from it, but as a Subaru owner, I bought a 2.0 JDM Hatch, it is not acceptable in this day & age for poor quality components & software to fail,in the large numbers it has, Subaru UK got away with many claims for the low oil / bearing failure, as a owner negligence issue, I know as I have done more than one report for customers in court cases, which I cannot go into due to legal reasons.

f1_fan

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Not so as even if only I think this way then Subaru lost a sale, however you know as well as I do that many people bought Subarus in the UK influenced by exactly what I said.

You can pretend otherwise if you wish, but their product is very close to 'false advertising'.

Maybe down at the core of things and on a legal basis you are right, but sadly that isn't going to help the average Joe buying a Scoob because he thinks it's a proper performance car that can be used daily, which in part is why their sales are so woeful now compared to 8 - 10 years ago.

f1_fan

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Even funnier is his claim that 50% of A45 AMGs have failed when after a whizz round Google, Merc forums and a call to a respected Mercedes tuner in the Midlands I can't find a single one.

The bloke is a clown!

Carnut

Thank you for you're time, I know that there is a issue with the 2.5 but would like to understand how big.