ReallyReallyGoodMeat

The decline has been going on long before the smoking ban, but it probably hasn't helped some.

Again, smoking, there's another one I want zero of my taxes spent on.

pimmo2000

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Big guy are you?

hmm .. should have re-phrased that

New_scooby_04

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Refreshing honesty!!

Basically, I think some gov investment in support for exercise and dietary programmes for fatties would be infinitely better than surgery. Interventions like gastric bands are a last resort and if people are getting to that stage then something has gone seriously wrong.

dpb

But any kind of encouragement or instruction or inducement clearly isn't working!


The only answer is forcible stomach reduction (by a sizable amount ) for anyone over 16. Stone.

New_scooby_04

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Cheeky f*cker: I'm nearly 16 stone ;-) but with a body fat index of 11%

Do I really need my tummy tucked??

I'd argue that proper encouragement, inducement and instruction isn't happening. Here's at typical conversation with the GP

Dr x "You really should loose weight, you're at elevated risk of diabetes, various forms of cancer and problems with your joints."

Patient y "Are you going to eat that bacon sandwich, doc?"

Dr x "Er, that's a prescription pad! *sigh*

SJ_Skyline

At 16 stone, yes you do you fat *******!

Matteeboy

Tell that to any half decent rugby team!

It's not about weight...

Fat Boy

A simple weight limit obviously doesn't make sense as it doesn't take into account overall size.

For instance, a 15 stone 5 foot tall woman would be a serious porker, whereas most international rugby players would be forced to have surgery despite being anything like fat...

You may not take my comment seriously though given my forum name

FB

(6'1"/ 16.5 stone [ex rugby player])

New_scooby_04

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You could have at least sugar coated it ...... so I could eat it!!

dpb

Okay, 17 stone then

f1_fan

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Thought about this since the discussion started last week and I think in the majority of cases what is needed is psychological help not surgery.

Not tarring everyone with the same brush as there are exceptions, but surely if someone has the option to eat less and do exercise to lose weight versus having invasive surgery and they would rather end up with the latter then it is their head that needs fixing not their stomach.

I know only too well how easy it is to be a lazy f**ker and to eat badly all the while making excuses for not doing something about it due to being busy with work/family etc. but at the end of the day you have to get a grip and make your health a priority.

On March 1st after a diagnosis from the doc and allergy specialists over me consuming dairy products I decided to go a few steps further. So no dairy, no bread, smaller portions, more fruit/veg, less meat, no alcohol (not difficult as I hardly drink anyway) and some exercise..... so far I have lost 16kg and for the first time since my early 20s am back in waist size 34 jeans...

... what's more the impetus to lose more weight and get fitter is like a drug.. once you start to see it happening you want more. I am loving it!

I think the NHS would be better off spending its money helping people get round the psychology of it and providing clubs/groups where people can do this sort of thing together.

Luckily when I put my mind to something I have a good level of self motivation and my target weight of 75kg is on the horizon. The key for me is not to view it as a diet, but more as a lifestyle change as I won't be going back to my old ways.... for me it was more about re-assigning some priorities to what is important!

hodgy0_2

re-education can be effective - as apposed to the rather blunt instrument of surgery

I think it was Norway - who in the 60's decided to do something about the health of its citizens

up until the 60/70's it was at the bottom of the European health leagues in terms of heart attacks/strokes - due to a high dairy diet and little organised exercise

but it focused on promoting exercise in the form of Ski Touring in the winter, walking in the summer - and in a generation change the health profile of its citizens - it went to the top of the European health league

Paben

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But arguably this problem starts right back with the schools. Someone was complaining recently that a disproportionate number of GB Olympic competitors have a public school background. This is not really surprising as these are the schools where sport is encouraged, as is proper competition, to give a balance between the intellectual and the physical. This doesn't happen in our state schools.

Some years ago school playing fields were being sold off to generate cash and competition in the true sense began to be strongly discouraged. Sports days were, and are, anything but, with no winners or losers. This trend started way back with the parents of the present generation of school kids.

Regular exercise needs to be part of your normal life, not something that has to be acquired in early middle age, when the couch potato syndrome is long established. It's little wonder we've now got a nation of fatties.

Matteeboy

We went to our little boys first sports day a month ago and were very pleased to see "old school" competitive races and the most hard fought parents race we've seen.

In fact since the new head started, sport has been top of the list.

I see a fat kid and I think "cruel parents." No need for it - ever.

Paben

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That's great to hear - now if only the others would follow that example.

Matteeboy

He was one of 100 (out of 23,000) head masters invited to No.10 recently for basically being very good at his job.

We're pretty lucky!

Ant

im a fatty

but recently getting into the couch to 10k program and loving it so far and seeing an improvement in pace and weight loss every time i go out is addictive.

theres no excuses and people who opt for the easy option will no doubt become a fatty again once finding ways to cheat with the band fitted

Fat Boy

you've got my vote

markjmd

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Well-founded as your idea may be, it would probably be doomed to failure before it ever got started, for at least a couple of reasons. Uno, people hate being told what to think (because "it infringes on their rights"), and duo, mental health provision generally is one of the most acutely and chronically under-funded areas of the NHS, and that's unlikely to change any time soon. Who knows though, if it could be shown that seemingly unrelated large-scale problem areas could be significantly improved by the smart use of psychology counseling and associated means, and that this could save the tax-payer billions of £, it might finally provide the required impetus to shake things up a bit and get the field taken a bit more seriously.

f1_fan

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Yes I agree about people not liking being told what to think, but that aside I do think it would be worth one area trying something (as in properly funding and resourcing it) with the psychology aspect of it.

I know not everyone can be put in the same pigeon hole, but I am sure a fair number of people could benefit from some proper help in this area and it has to be more cost effective in the long run than gastric bands or doing nothing and letting them become a long term burden on the health system!

specialx

It's all down to saving money a gastric band operation costs approx 10k as oppsed to a lifetime of diabeties drugs at £150000! Studies found that some fatties were nearly cured of diabeties while recovering from the operation in hospital. I'm all for it but it doesn't escape the fact that these people in the main have put themselves in this postition...... Size is condusive to what you put in your face!

jasey

It would only cost £50 to sew up the fat ***** mouths and fit a small straw in it's place.

Think outside the box guys

dpb

Do you know how much sugar there is in a litre of coke!

jasey

I don't care if they drown