Petem95

It's just an outdated way of thinking. If all of us here were living in Britain 200 years ago probably all of us would have religious beliefs, however science and fact has now overridden myth and tradition - basically, we now know better.

The majority of people who are religious in this country are from, or have their roots in, developing countries. As time goes on, and with the benefit of proper eduction I believe religion would die out.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Bearing in mind Bangladesh/Pakistan came in to existence in 1947 and the fact that the the cuisine itself is much older and being of Indian origin, it's perfectly logical to call it Indian.
What are your opinions on the halal/kosher issue which is causing much anguish amongst people.

JTaylor

Hello, Shaid. The "Christian thing" is going perfectly, thank you; I feel deeply blessed and humbled to have been elected to follow Jesus Christ. I'm still going to church, in fact the pastor is coming around for a coffee in an hour or so. Christians are not forbidden from eating pork - thank God!

Carnut

So Shaid are you just going to be sarcastic then? If this is the truth then I can reassure you as a non halal eater that your c**k will not drop off.

I understand that you don't need to explain your self and respect your privacy, but it doesn't seem that your a very good ambassador for you religion.

If the hate towards those who eat halal is to be suppressed then some of the work needs to come from your side.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

So you're saying he's a good ambassador then?

Shaid

Seriously bro.... you guys aren't allowed to eat pork.... sorry bud

Carnut

Thanks Maz I have edited it from my end if you could just remove it from your end, nobody will ever know. He he he

Shaid

Yes, but you are not a Muslim though. If a Muslim willingly eats haram food then his **** will drop off. If non Muslims eat it then so what... who cares? Why should i care?

I agree that i am not a good ambassador for my religion of choice. I would not want that job at all. Being a good human being is far more important than trying to impress strangers over the internet.

With your last sentence my answer will get me a ban

However i take your comments on board and if i ever meet a holocaust survivor i will use the same analogy on him/her to see it they can make any sense of it.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Shaid, I can totally appreciate topics like this cropping up could frustrate you depending on what some people say, but what is the harm in answering genuine questions where people are actually seeking to get to the truth?

I would never expect you or anyone else to come on here and justify themselves, but if a person has an answer and can put myths straight, surely it's a good thing to give it.

I generally prefer to get answers to questions I might have in life straight from the horse's mouth so to speak, rather than relying on google which can at times provide conflicting information depending upon what site you click onto.

The only way for people to better understand one another and potentially get along better, is to discuss, sensibly, things that trouble them or that are unclear.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

The double negative, it's a pesky bugger.

JTaylor

Hi, Maz. I suspect the reason Pakistanis and Bangladeshis peddle their food as being 'Indian' is purely commercial. However, given your ethnicity, I'll defer to your insight.

With regards to Halal and as a Christian I might object to eating food that has been 'blessed' in the name of a false religion; as a rationalist, I can say that after a fortnight in Turkey and Egypt I didn't experience any penile dysfunction or adverse spiritual events.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

I'm struggling to argue with any of what you've posted.

JTaylor

Please show me in scripture where this is written. I'll assume you're not confusing me with a Jewish person.

Shaid

I agree Lisa.. and you are the most sensible person on SN but they don't want genuine answers. They are trolling hence my response

The real answer is nothing.... we consider it a sin... so we'd get our wrists slapped on judgement day. However if we are desperate (say if we are in the middle of a desert and practically dying) and come across a bacon sarnie then that food becomes permissible for us to eat without sin. When explained in religious context even i admit it sounds like a load of mumbo jumbo hence..... fence....

Shaid

No... Jews are cool

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=christians+cannot+eat+pork

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Ultimately it's always the bottom line, it would be naive to believe otherwise.
For the record the bible explicitly forbids the consumption of pork.

http://www.openbible.info/topics/eating_pork

belewski1984

iTrader: (1)

Under Islamic law, pork is forbidden and while other meat can be eaten, it must be sourced, slaughtered and processed according to very strict rules.

Were in the uk if u choose to live hear just do as we do(eat pork enjoy real meat and not kick up a fuss how a animal has been killed u still killed it to so what difference does it make) or go with out why should we have to keep changing our way to fit in with others.

Shaid

Dear Respectful SN person.

It is not the Muslims who are kicking up a fuss.

Just thought i'd point that out to you

Peace and chips my humble brother in humanity

x

banny sti

iTrader: (68)

Lisa you're brill, I would sit and talk to you all day about any topic you chose as I know I am getting a genuinely interested person conversating with me. Hence why you're on my FB, got all the time in the world for you

belewski1984

iTrader: (1)

So if Muslims didn't kick up a fuss why does such a big company change to suit Muslims.
I think my problem is that we kill animals for.food does it really matter how they were killed they still end up on our plate .

Devildog

And is it not also a sin to eat meat that purports to be halal, but which has not been treated (whilst the animal) is alive in the manner required, nor killed in the manner required (ie super sharp knife, etc)?

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Thank you Shaid. Some people might come across as trolling, but I think a lot of the time, deep down, people do want to increase their understanding. Some people just want to spout tripe, they are best ignored to be honest.

I love you too.

I am absolutely genuinely interested. I think it's a good thing to have a true understanding of the people around us. Also, to speak to those people directly as the media etc. seems to seek to divide us with sensational headlines and spinning a story in a manner to suit their agenda.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Jesus wept. It's not a whole company. It's certain stores trying to appeal to the biggest market possible where they are based.

Also, if it doesn't bother you how they are killed, then it shouldn't bother you whether food is Halal or not from a slaughter point of view.

stipete75

I think what he meant to say was....
This is Great Britain, the great British public are obviously going to kick up a huge fuss,as we the British citizens like our bacon sarnies with our cups of tea, halal has no place on these isles, Islam has no place on these isles, after all this is England not an Muslim country.

If you don't like me eating a bacon sandwich in front of you then f#ck off. Simple.

Live here then play by our rules, not the other f&cking way round.

Devildog

The Bible contradicts itself and Christianity is more fcucked than Islam is. Christ (pun intended) - there's different belief systems within Christianity as Christians cant even agree what the story should be.

Both the Bible and the Quoran have get out clauses when it suits.

We all bend whatever rules our belief system inflicts on us from time to time.

None of that changes the fact that as permitted slaughtering methods go, halal is right up there on the cruelty stakes.

Carnut

Shaid I did want a genuine answer and was not trolling at all. Their is some good in all of us ,not just lisa. I understand that opening up to others can leave you vulnerable but some times its a leap of faith.

It is nice to see at least you trust Lisa.

I if you remember opened up to you and told some story of a farmer crying which you then used to try and make a fool out of me with, but it doesn't mean that I won't open up again because I am passionate about what I believe.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

I'm no expert but would say yes it is. The irony is the halal and kosher methods came about originally due to the lack of any animal welfare regulation, or a method of slaughter considered to not cause unnecessary suffering.

Shaid

Because if they don't Bin Laden will come for them

eggy790

iTrader: (20)

Russell Brand - Talks About HALAL: http://youtu.be/jZYGJOhD0cY

Shaid

Did you really feel that way? I feel bad now.... I never knew you'd take it so personal.

I saw a guy in Pakistan cry when his cow died. I thought he was being a big poof until someone explained the financial implications of a dead cow. Pretty serious stuff.