Carnut

The slaughter of Halal meat is called Zabihah and there is certain guidelines.

Allah's name must be pronounced during slaughter.

The instrument must be very sharp.

The animal MUST NOT BE UNCONSCIOUS (so it dies by choking to death on its own blood while in a lot of pain)

The animal must be hung so the blood drains,eating blood is not Halal.

These steps must be done by a Muslim.

The animal must of been fed a natural diet.

Even if you don't eat meat you will still be using animal by-products, there is thousands of uses. You car/cleaning products for you car/beauty products/clothes/computers/and so on,have a look for your self for the facts(I may be a bit out).

The British veterinary association recommends these practices be stopped. To say that we are killing these animals anyway so it doesn't matter how is just wrong. Why should an animal go through pain for no reason?.

A lot of this Halal meat comes from abroad to meet demand,so for a lot of the time the animal is not treated very well and probably has a very bad life.

Killing an animal while its still alive has not got anything to do with there god ,its just that back in the day the only way they knew to drain the blood was to keep the animal alive so the hart would still be beating and pump the blood out. This is just out dated,we can achieve the same results by stunning the animal first. If they had this technology at the time then they would be doing it today. Its seems obvious to me that some have a problem with applying common sence to religion.

We can not ignore the fact that we need animals to maintain our way of life. If we stopped use animal products of any kind it would take us back to the stone age. Even then we would need them to plant are crops and would die young because we could not supplement our diet for lack of protein. We would probably need to kill the odd one for leather ie clothing. There would be to much demand to rely on natural deaths.

IMO its not to much to ask to make it as pain free as possible ,and make sure they have the best life possible. Its not a perfect world but a real world.

Also IMO in the same way that we get full of rage because we get Halal meat on our high streets,Muslims/Islamics or who ever would have 10 times more if we banned it. Ever terrorist training camp in the world would fill to bursting point. We have to live with it because banning it would just be fuel for terrorism.

stipete75

Sounds like one of those beheading videos

neil-h

Hate to say it but unless the animal has its lungs in its head, cutting the throat of an animal and hanging it won't cause it to choke to death on its own blood. it's also worth noting that cutting the throat and hanging upside down is one the quickest way to make something bleed out.

Also if the knife is extremely sharp then the process of cutting the throat won't be particularly painful but that's probably beside the point.

RS_Matt

Islam can evolve, it has done it recently in Syria after a Cat Halal fatwa. I'm sure in the conception of Islam any form of animal killing would be classed as slaughter.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Stupid quote time:-

"Killing an animal while its still alive has not got anything to do with there god"


You cannot kill it when it's dead, because it's dead!
FFS!

If the cutting is swift and deep, then it can't be more painful than a bolt in the head or an electric shock to the temples.

neil-h

It has, I'm led to believe there are plenty of Muslims out there who don't believe the animal being conscious is strictly ecessary. It's the blessing that's the important bit.

RS_Matt

Ala being able to bless non-Halal at the table. It's just tradition tbh. The UK government is keen to dilute Christian/British tradition whilst promoting others in a bid for better social cohesion...

just me

iTrader: (3)

I work for tesco but not in store, its a jewish company, the co stands for cohen, they give you a history of the company when you join.

RA Dunk

So Jew boy are they planning on world domination or not?














Only joking I didn't know Tesco were a Jewish company?

zip106

I thought Subway were an Atheist company anyway?

A not-for-prophet organisation?

stipete75

The Jews are the dominent species on this planet, the earth spins the Jews tell it how fast.

Shaid

List of Churches in Pakistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_churches_in_Pakistan
List of Churches in Iran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Armenian_churches_in_Iran
Seriously.... educate yourself bro

Shaid

Torture in non halal cattle ranch

NFSW and Graphic


Pig Torture by non Muslims


Please don't make out as if non Muslims have the moral authority over all things animal cruelty....

Shaid

Some general Halal info

http://www.halalrc.org/images/Resear...Guidelines.pdf

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/an...fiz_b_a__masri

How to Halal

http://www.tmfb.net/consumer-informa...l-slaughtering

The Humane way to slaughter animals (the way it should be done)


Unfortunately the halal meat industry is contaminated with idiots just like any other industry.

Tin hats

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ti...+hats&tbm=shop

Shaid

WTF.... non Muslims have the audacity to claim the halal method is cruel..... the next person to try and give me the moral high about animal welfare is going to be laughed at (out loud too - unfortunately this is not funny)

Graphic and crap... NSFW

hodgy0_2

They are cleverer, more creative, successful and wealthier than you are

Please get over it and move on

RA Dunk

I can't bring myself to watch any of those.

hodgy0_2

Edited to add - so is just about every other person on this planet

Shaid

Having watched some of these slaughter house videos it seems the only real difference between Halal and Non Halal is the 'prayer' bit.

Issues like this Subway fiasco always tend to have a unintended side question. For me it is what the F**K are we eating! Meat is very cheap at the moment (in the grand scheme of things). Chicken especially. Two legs of chicken and chips for a pound fifty where i am. For something to be so cheap corners must be cut. These corners will always be the quality of the meat itself and also at the grass roots level the animals welfare. For animal cruelty to stop and for those in the meat industry to seriously look into animal welfare we the consumer must start paying a lot more for our meat. If we are prepared to pay extra for meat that is certified 'humane' ie no battery farming, free to roam, etc, etc then maybe the guys on the ground doing all the slaughtering or their management will have time to consider such criteria... i don't know the answer but the industry itself seems to need a shake up at some stage.

Carnut

They cut the throat, then hang it.

AsifScoob

LOL at this thread. Nothing changes!

RS_Matt

TBF, I eat a lot of Fish and Quorn. Also Aldi burgers that are 95% water.

zip106

May as well just have a cucumber.

Carnut

Hate to say it but Shaid but you are trying to justify the actions of many(halal)by the actions of a few.There may be vids of murder but that doesn't mean we all do it.If you do have a valid defence then please use it. Attacking others who have done wrong is just a poor attempt of diverting from the truth(call it a smoke screen).

On the vid showing Halal (the guy with the long hair)he is just playing a silly trick that can not be applied to the real world.I hope I didn't miss it(because I did fast forward some of the bulls**t)but where was the killing. that's the only bit that is relevant. who gives a toss if they can play with animals,and I would like to see them do that with a cow.I did learn something new though,i never knew that a goat understood the word of god,is there any other words they know.I had a dog that knew the word sit but needed training.These goats just seem to know words already.

I think I will be the one doing the laughing,

stipete75

I am a Jew you d$ck!
I own my own house.
I have my own buisness.
I have people that earn me my money( non of this 9-5 cr#p, like you)
I own 3 cars.
I own 3 trucks.
I am very happy and very comfortable.
Ps hodgy.....

Shaid

Awww hit a nerve have I? I've proved to you already that you don't have a moral high? Now seriously... Please stop behaving like you do.

Alternatively tell some more bull about how your farming mates shed a tear everytime they send another cow to slaughter. That ones always worth a giggle

Maz

iTrader: (34)

RA Dunk

^^lol^^

bustaMOVEs

iTrader: (31)

These threads certainly seem to bring the regulars together and tell you some doddle.

zip106

That's a pathetic effort - use this one next time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/...3r_640_360.jpg