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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:35 AM
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go read my link...it explains why your post is incorrect...go on, educate yourself
I'm a Chartered member of IEMA, what are your credentials on the subject.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Xx-IAN-xX
I'm a Chartered member of IEMA, what are your credentials on the subject.
Aren't there IEMA members on both sides of this argument...?

and how do you repost the huge inconsistencies in the argument that supports manmade climate change/global warming?

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Xx-IAN-xX
I'm a Chartered member of IEMA, what are your credentials on the subject.
Conspiracy theorist and drives a Impreza - apparently that's all the credentials you need these days
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Conspiracy theorist and drives a Impreza - apparently that's all the credentials you need these days
Martin's definition of a conspiracy theorist: anyone who doesn't think like him!
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 10:29 AM
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Conspiracy theorist and drives a Impreza - apparently that's all the credentials you need these days
Hahahahahahaha conspiracy theorist, you are hilarious so how do you explain the discrepancies in the argument that says climate change is being influenced by mankind Martin?

I don't think you need an Impreza to be able to understand the facts...Boomer even posted a youtube clip so you don't even have to be able to read.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by trails
Hahahahahahaha conspiracy theorist, you are hilarious so how do you explain the discrepancies in the argument that says climate change is being influenced by mankind Martin?

I don't think you need an Impreza to be able to understand the facts...Boomer even posted a youtube clip so you don't even have to be able to read.
I didn't ever say that there are not descrepancies, I totally get the arguments both sides. The balance of the argument is pretty heavily weighted towards what the scientific community is saying though.

What are the 'facts' exactly?

Boomers clip is what exactly - the answer, the final word? - what are you actually trying to say here...

AGM is unproven?
AGM is a lie and a conspiracy?
The impact of AGM is as yet unknown?
AGM is real yet the impacts are being exaggerated?


To all those answers you need to be able to explain WHY as well
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 11:23 AM
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Because these are the same climate scientists who were telling us thirty years ago that we were entering the next ice age and only 20% of the earth's population could survive?

because these are the same climate scientists who told us fifteen years ago that by 2015 the UK south coast would be Mediterranean climate, while the present med would be a desert? It better hurry up.........

Because if you speak up against it, you lose your research grants?

Because these are the same climatologists that have long-term forecast the last THREE winters 100% wrong and the last two summers 100% wrong too? yet they know what is going to happen in 25 years?

Because these are climate scientists that deny the sun's cycles?

Because the whole thing spells S C A M?


And while I'm responding to you, how about you explain how come when the ice caps melt, filling the sea with PURE water, the sea suddenly has "darker properties"???????
Well Einstein , when it is ice it helps reflect the sun ,when it melts into the ocean it's no longer that white stuff you see polar bears sat on. So where you had a reflective ice cap you now have a dark ocean.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 11:42 AM
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Ah, I see.

So the relatively small areas of icecap at VERY high latitudes are sooooooo vitally important at reflecting the sun's light that we can't afford to lose an extra 4%?
Is that what you are saying?
And bear in mind that one of them is in semi-permanent darkness all the time too.

Nope...doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Answer my other questions please.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I didn't ever say that there are not descrepancies, I totally get the arguments both sides. The balance of the argument is pretty heavily weighted towards what the scientific community is saying though.

What are the 'facts' exactly?

Boomers clip is what exactly - the answer, the final word? - what are you actually trying to say here...

AGM is unproven?
AGM is a lie and a conspiracy?
The impact of AGM is as yet unknown?
AGM is real yet the impacts are being exaggerated?


To all those answers you need to be able to explain WHY as well
I just read around the subject a little Martin and the sceptics case seems to have covered off both long and short term arguments...this has a nice mix of words and pictures.

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/sh1/t...ook_2-3_lq.pdf

I'm not a conspiracy theorist just someone with a degree of healthy scepticism. I didn't claim to be one either, nor an expert and I don't drive an Impreza...
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
What part of this do you agree with... all, some or none?
Er what?

Do you mean...
Xx-IAN-xX's post referencing http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/sta...nge_statistics
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trails's post referencing http://mises.org/daily/5892/The-Skeptics-Case
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my post with the yew-tyoob link

...or all, or some or none?

mb
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Ah, I see.

So the relatively small areas of icecap at VERY high latitudes are sooooooo vitally important at reflecting the sun's light that we can't afford to lose an extra 4%?
Is that what you are saying?
And bear in mind that one of them is in semi-permanent darkness all the time too.

Nope...doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Answer my other questions please.
Arrggghhh - how dare you post common sense and reality - what about "the models". Sure the ice caps might be very small, and at a very shallow angle, and in the shade, and in the night for half a year, but the "models" predict that, er, something, er, yes, got it, the Aurora Bore-i-watsits diverts the sun's rays from the equator to the poles and thus melts the ice even more.

How dare you look at reality - it is all down to the "models"

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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by boomer
Arrggghhh - how dare you post common sense and reality - what about "the models". Sure the ice caps might be very small, and at a very shallow angle, and in the shade, and in the night for half a year, but the "models" predict that, er, something, er, yes, got it, the Aurora Bore-i-watsits diverts the sun's rays from the equator to the poles and thus melts the ice even more.

How dare you look at reality - it is all down to the "models"

mb
Yeah see what Alacazar was talking about there is Albido, it's got very little to do with the suns rays melting ice caps.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Yeah see what Alacazar was talking about there is Albido, it's got very little to do with the suns rays melting ice caps.
ffs, this has gone from climate change to martial arts...
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 03:26 PM
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Albedo*
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by trails
Albedo*
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