Climate change, the BBC and MPs - you couldn't make it up!
02 April 2014, 07:42 AM
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Climate change, the BBC and MPs - you couldn't make it up!
MPs criticise BBC over climate change reporting
So despite treating climate change being man made as a fact when we still don't know the MPs aren't happy with the way the BBC report climate change because of them daring to give equal weight to those who are sceptics to those who are banging the governmnet's drum!
Thing is I don't ever hear or see any of this so called impartiality so don't actually know what they are criticising. Evey report to me seems to state almost as fact that climate change is man made and far worse than anyone ever imagened yet obvosuly the MPs want more from the state funded broadcaster!
This country just gets worse and worse every single day!
So despite treating climate change being man made as a fact when we still don't know the MPs aren't happy with the way the BBC report climate change because of them daring to give equal weight to those who are sceptics to those who are banging the governmnet's drum!
Thing is I don't ever hear or see any of this so called impartiality so don't actually know what they are criticising. Evey report to me seems to state almost as fact that climate change is man made and far worse than anyone ever imagened yet obvosuly the MPs want more from the state funded broadcaster!
This country just gets worse and worse every single day!
02 April 2014, 07:54 AM
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MPs criticise BBC over climate change reporting
So despite treating climate change being man made as a fact when we still don't know the MPs aren't happy with the way the BBC report climate change because of them daring to give equal weight to those who are sceptics to those who are banging the governmnet's drum!
Thing is I don't ever hear or see any of this so called impartiality so don't actually know what they are criticising. Evey report to me seems to state almost as fact that climate change is man made and far worse than anyone ever imagened yet obvosuly the MPs want more from the state funded broadcaster!
This country just gets worse and worse every single day!
So despite treating climate change being man made as a fact when we still don't know the MPs aren't happy with the way the BBC report climate change because of them daring to give equal weight to those who are sceptics to those who are banging the governmnet's drum!
Thing is I don't ever hear or see any of this so called impartiality so don't actually know what they are criticising. Evey report to me seems to state almost as fact that climate change is man made and far worse than anyone ever imagened yet obvosuly the MPs want more from the state funded broadcaster!
This country just gets worse and worse every single day!
LOL why is called a flood plain? Because it floods. Maybe not in the past 100years, but anyone who has studied a bit of natural geography/geology will tell you that land formations like flood plains occurred due to the path the river originally took during flooding. In other words 1000s of years ago the rivers are doing just what they do now. Man made? Nope. We used to dredge, which prevented it, therefore the lack of flooding was a man made occurrence.
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02 April 2014, 12:11 PM
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The UK has signed up to reduce carbon emissions by 80% from the 1990 baseline by 2050. The European Commission has also launched legal proceedings against the UK over air quality, one way or another we all know who it's going to cost
02 April 2014, 01:25 PM
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Climate change = Milankovitch cycles.
How can mankind be so arrogant as to believe we have an influence on our climate.
Its all about taxation. A multi-national conspiracy brought about by the Kyoto protocol. Climate change is a natural occurrence so lets tax it!!!
How can mankind be so arrogant as to believe we have an influence on our climate.
Its all about taxation. A multi-national conspiracy brought about by the Kyoto protocol. Climate change is a natural occurrence so lets tax it!!!
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02 April 2014, 01:46 PM
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The good bit is the scientists may have got it wrong but what if they haven't
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02 April 2014, 02:28 PM
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Climate change has been going on for much longer than humans have existed, and will still be going on when we are extinct. The UK used to be sub tropical, and also covered in ice, and of course everything in between. We weren't around then, so no industrial revolution. So who or what caused it other than the natural occurrence of the earth's position in relation to the sun? The only thing causing it is earth wobbling on its axis! Something it will always continue to do.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
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02 April 2014, 02:29 PM
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02 April 2014, 02:51 PM
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Climate change has been going on for much longer than humans have existed, and will still be going on when we are extinct. The UK used to be sub tropical, and also covered in ice, and of course everything in between. We weren't around then, so no industrial revolution. So who or what caused it other than the natural occurrence of the earth's position in relation to the sun? The only thing causing it is earth wobbling on its axis! Something it will always continue to do.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
02 April 2014, 04:23 PM
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02 April 2014, 05:10 PM
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Ian, if the climate change 'scientists' are so confident in their findings, why won't they release all their data for proper peer review 
Climatologists are to science what Gillian McKeith is to medicine
Climatologists are to science what Gillian McKeith is to medicine
02 April 2014, 05:48 PM
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My guide to weather cycles has always been the last ice age.
Only 15,000 years ago this country was covered in ice several kilometers thick.
In global cycle times that's just the blink of an eye and there was no industry,cars & hardly any population.
Conclusion................it's out of our control.
Only 15,000 years ago this country was covered in ice several kilometers thick.
In global cycle times that's just the blink of an eye and there was no industry,cars & hardly any population.
Conclusion................it's out of our control.
02 April 2014, 05:50 PM
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Now I know you are all not thick on here but why do you seem to find it difficult that human intervention ie pumping tonnes of additional carbon into the atmosphere wouldn't act as an insulator and when the additional heat melts the ice caps the sea becomes warmer due to its darker properties. This is pretty basic stuff that shows humans are having an effect on climate. What the implications will be are going to be difficult to estimate and that is why they work on a what if basis.
02 April 2014, 05:55 PM
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What data is it that you want. Heres some for you to digest http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/sta...nge_statistics
Now I know you are all not thick on here but why do you seem to find it difficult that human intervention ie pumping tonnes of additional carbon into the atmosphere wouldn't act as an insulator and when the additional heat melts the ice caps the sea becomes warmer due to its darker properties. This is pretty basic stuff that shows humans are having an effect on climate. What the implications will be are going to be difficult to estimate and that is why they work on a what if basis.
Now I know you are all not thick on here but why do you seem to find it difficult that human intervention ie pumping tonnes of additional carbon into the atmosphere wouldn't act as an insulator and when the additional heat melts the ice caps the sea becomes warmer due to its darker properties. This is pretty basic stuff that shows humans are having an effect on climate. What the implications will be are going to be difficult to estimate and that is why they work on a what if basis.
02 April 2014, 06:14 PM
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What data is it that you want. Heres some for you to digest http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/sta...nge_statistics
Now I know you are all not thick on here but why do you seem to find it difficult that human intervention ie pumping tonnes of additional carbon into the atmosphere wouldn't act as an insulator and when the additional heat melts the ice caps the sea becomes warmer due to its darker properties. This is pretty basic stuff that shows humans are having an effect on climate. What the implications will be are going to be difficult to estimate and that is why they work on a what if basis.
Now I know you are all not thick on here but why do you seem to find it difficult that human intervention ie pumping tonnes of additional carbon into the atmosphere wouldn't act as an insulator and when the additional heat melts the ice caps the sea becomes warmer due to its darker properties. This is pretty basic stuff that shows humans are having an effect on climate. What the implications will be are going to be difficult to estimate and that is why they work on a what if basis.
Unfortunately the closest we seem to have been so far is the hack of the UAE servers
02 April 2014, 06:21 PM
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The good bit is the scientists may have got it wrong
because these are the same climate scientists who told us fifteen years ago that by 2015 the UK south coast would be Mediterranean climate, while the present med would be a desert? It better hurry up.........
Because if you speak up against it, you lose your research grants?
Because these are the same climatologists that have long-term forecast the last THREE winters 100% wrong and the last two summers 100% wrong too? yet they know what is going to happen in 25 years?
Because these are climate scientists that deny the sun's cycles?
Because the whole thing spells S C A M?
And while I'm responding to you, how about you explain how come when the ice caps melt, filling the sea with PURE water, the sea suddenly has "darker properties"???????
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02 April 2014, 06:32 PM
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A good scientist will make it clear that their therory is just that - a theory. Until proven without doubt.
Higgs Boson
Theory of relativity
Climate change?.....MAN MADE climate change????
Selectively acquiring data to support a theory is not proof that the theory is correct.
I'd get a F in my science reports if I didn't show the teacher the proof of my conclusions.
Higgs Boson
Theory of relativity
Climate change?.....MAN MADE climate change????
Selectively acquiring data to support a theory is not proof that the theory is correct.
I'd get a F in my science reports if I didn't show the teacher the proof of my conclusions.
02 April 2014, 06:57 PM
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A good scientist will make it clear that their therory is just that - a theory. Until proven without doubt.
Higgs Boson
Theory of relativity
Climate change?.....MAN MADE climate change????
Selectively acquiring data to support a theory is not proof that the theory is correct.
I'd get a F in my science reports if I didn't show the teacher the proof of my conclusions.
Higgs Boson
Theory of relativity
Climate change?.....MAN MADE climate change????
Selectively acquiring data to support a theory is not proof that the theory is correct.
I'd get a F in my science reports if I didn't show the teacher the proof of my conclusions.
02 April 2014, 09:13 PM
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Climate change has been going on for much longer than humans have existed, and will still be going on when we are extinct. The UK used to be sub tropical, and also covered in ice, and of course everything in between. We weren't around then, so no industrial revolution. So who or what caused it other than the natural occurrence of the earth's position in relation to the sun? The only thing causing it is earth wobbling on its axis! Something it will always continue to do.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
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Just in case Xx-IAN-xX can't read, maybe he can take a look at Climate Change in 12 Minutes The Skeptic's Case (although it is actually nearly 13 minutes ).
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Climate change has been going on for much longer than humans have existed, and will still be going on when we are extinct. The UK used to be sub tropical, and also covered in ice, and of course everything in between. We weren't around then, so no industrial revolution. So who or what caused it other than the natural occurrence of the earth's position in relation to the sun? The only thing causing it is earth wobbling on its axis! Something it will always continue to do.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
The only way to stop climate change is to stabilize the planets orbit. Perhaps a few strategically place nuclear bombs could alter our orbit. Of course in doing so we'd probably wipe out all life.
They only call it "carbon emissions" because it gives the impression of being black and dirty.
Carbon dioxide is essential for our ecosystem. Plants, trees etc, thrive on carbon dioxide, and give off oxygen. The most destructive thing humans have done is cut down forests to build cities, towns, and factories.
Here's a thought, every living thing on the planet adapts to its environment. Humans are different. We adapt the environment to suit ourselves.
Mankind's impact on the climate is very minimal if anything at all. As I said, its all about taxation.
Personally, I can't see how charging me more road tax than my neighbour will have any more impact on the climate than the planets orbital variations.
If you offered a single fact, logical argument or none selfish reason for your position, it might be worth listening to.
Nobody ever said the climate hasn't changed through the eons. This is simply not an argument against AGW - if that's all you got then you ain't got much
And the taxation argument/conspiracy doesn't even remotely make sense, add up, or stand up any kind of logic
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