1. NO increase at all for THREE years. NOW pegged at 1%.

2. NOT guaranteed, and yes it has been denied. I know of instances already.

3. Pure fairytale..and you know it. NO school could afford that scam, they would be hauled over the coals by auditors every year, and the head would be liable.

And even if it WAS allowed, a TLR isn't awarded annually, so it's NOT a raise.

Try again.

 

No teacher can retire at 50 with a full pension and they wouldn't be able to draw their pension unless the retirement was agreed with the LEA and the DfE. The usual reason is illness and one of the rules that applies is NO MORE TEACHING, or your pension stops until you are 65.

IF you retire before 55 your pension isn't index linked until you ARE 55. Fact.

I suppose your idea comes from the "double dippers" in industry....who take early retirement and redundancy payments of large amounts, then go back onto the works in a different capacity...often needing to be carried by younger members of the team, and taking a job a younger man needs.

The only teacher I knew who abused the system went on full retirement, then took a job with the LEA in computers, for which his school had paid for his training and the staff carried him for eight weeks while he was on the course.

Yes, it happens.

And I've seen teachers go at 55 with a half pension and then top it up with supply work, but not many do it for long.....supply work is harder than actual teaching.

Of course...if teaching were sufficiently VALUED and well rewarded, would we NEED so many supply teachers? Would we NEED to have TA's taking classes....you know, TA's without degrees, or even a teaching qualification, ...after Lying Labour (your lot, Pete), announced teaching was to be an all-degree profession?

 

Peter and alcazar, just like modern politics. Who knows what to believe, except one, or both of you are telling LIES.

(In full or part).

 

My only comment would be - what kind of professional goes on strike?

 

Agreed.

 

Which leads us on to my question, since when did being a professional mean you couldn't stand up for workers rights?

 

Can always claim 500k after slipping on some ketchup I guess?

 

One vilified and not TREATED as professional? Or particularly well-paid as a professional?
One whose negotiating rights for pay and conditions have been removed since 1988?
One whose pension pot was "stolen" by the government years ago, and the government, having had their cash, now want to welch on the deal?
One whose working conditions are worsening year on year?
One whose targets are getting more difficult year on year?
One who can have no input, or control into either of the above?
One who, when they do a decent job, are told it's because exams are easier, yet when they do a poor job, are told, it's their fault?
One treated badly by successive governments since 1988?

 

The TWO year pay freeze was introduced by the Government for all public sector workers.

HOWEVER, Unqualified teachers on points 1, 2 and 3 have received an annual £250 non-consolidated payment, which is paid monthly and is pensionable.

Teachers eligible for movement on the main, upper, AST or leadership pay scale have progressed as per normal. About 3.5% per annum!!!

We have a TLR3 Level - of £3,000 - which pays out annually!!

Never, ever, in my decades of monitoring has an increment been denied ..... it doesn't happen.

You are not the Teacher, your wife is .... and she is aware of the TLR scams going on ... and what auditors? The LEA doesn't have the manpower or ability to see through the figures - I am dealing with £5million - you can hide a LOT in £5,000,000!!

Teachers are guaranteed multiple pay rises per year - and currently it's not based on performance or ability ......

 

TA's ..... do you have any idea how poorly they are paid?

They are paid about £12,000 a year - ONLY paid 2/3rds ie. 26 hours ... why? because that's all Teachers have to work!! So they do the SAME hours as Teachers but get paid £8,000 ....... AND do NOT get paid for all the Teachers holidays!!

If Teachers want something to strike over ... strike for the TA's!

I propose that Teachers be paid on the same basis as TA's ie. £38,000 x .6666!!!

 

How do you know all this Pete?

 

I know where all the dead bodies are buried!!

I'm closer to the action than any Teacher .... certainly closer than a spouse of a Teacher

If the taxpayers only knew the real story ....................... there would probably be riots in the streets!

 

So what you're sayings is your complicit in the whole thing and seemingly choosing to do no more than ramble on a car forum. A fact which could be argued makes you no better than those you condem for carrying out the so called scam.

Interesting

 

Nope...he's an EX chairman of the "governors", known to teachers as "ego trippers".

And his figures are, at best, massaged, and at worst, downright fabrications.

Witness his insistence that teachers were on £38,000 basic....and my publishing the DfE figures of a MAXIMUM for inner London of £36,500. and a MAXIMUM for teachers outside London of under £32,000.

You can stop now Pete...you've been shown to be making stuff up.
And for a school governor with ZERO power and the same knowledge of schools to claim to be in the know means....you lose!

 

Annual salary England and Wales excluding London(band D)

Annual salary inner London area (band A)

Annual salary outer London area (band B)

Annual salary Fringe area (band C)
£ £ £ £
U1 34,181 41,497 37,599 35,218
U2 35,447 43,536 38,991 36,483
U3 36,756 45,000 40,433 37,795

I took the £38,000 to be a conservative selection on my part.

Of course, you must add the £12,000 TLR payment if the Teacher is also Head of House ..... makes £50,000

We are talking decent money here ....

 

I cannot fight it alone ..... most simply rubber stamp ..... that doesn't mean I'm not completely aware of what goes on to secure the Teachers get 3 pay rises per year.

Some may argue that they are worth every single penny - and I wouldn't actually argue with that ..... it's how it's done and it's how the Vested Interests lie about what happens to the taxpayer who are those paying their wages!

Like I said, if the taxpayers knew what went on, their toes would curl ....... the LEA don't want to rock the boat at a school so turn a blind eye.

 

Realistically it's a no win situation. People will always find some kind of issue with public sector spending how ever they choose to do it.

 

The teachers I know get paid inline with what Alcazar is quoting.
As for £12,000 for head of house, £3000 is what they get in the West Yorkshire district. Cant comment for other areas as dont know.

 

I must admit, I got the Head of House mixed up with Head of Department in all the excitement.

Head of Department gets £12,000 added to their U3 Salary of £40,443 - that gives the Head of English (for example) £52,443.

These are real figures, real examples, real life ... it's how it is - laid bare.

Head of House gets £6,500 .... so that's a salary of £46,443.

In charge of the Notice Board? That will reward you with a TLR of £5750 plus your £40,443 ....... £46,000++

70% of the Teaching Staff are on TLR Payments (lots are on safeguarded TLR's - as they have passed their duties to another Teacher yet still get the payment for 3 years!) ........... 30% are on the Leadership Spine.

The Leadership Spine Salary points are:-

L24 £66,623

To


L43 £107,199

Teachers on this spine generally move up 2 points at a time!

Another annual salary increase ...... yes, in ADDITION to the 'normal' payrise!

Taxpayers funding these pay rates are struggling to even get a 1% pay rise in lots of cases!

As I said, they are probably worth every penny .... I just wish they would stop striking when they have it so good - and stop hiding their true pay behind the smoke and mirrors of the 1% payrise!!!

 

They can strike when they want, but if I take my kids out of school for a holiday they fine me £60 & the wife £60.

 

You are fined because the Teachers say that every day is vital - yet then, to satisfy a want, they are happy to sacrifice those children on the alter of greed

 

Because your just a doctor, obviously a far less important role than a teacher.

 

Amazingly people aren't born doctors (sigh)

 

I've shown your figures to be pure fabrications, your continual misunderstanding of the TLR terms and usage shows how much you know.
You must have been a dodgy head's dream Chairman if you rubber stamped cr@p like that, and the school musty have been uber-rich to have anywhere near 70% of staff on TLR...let me guess? Well endowed secondary?

Now let's look at this latest bit of rhetoric, above.

For a start, it's nowt to do with teachers if your kid can, or can't be taken out of school, lets be clear on that. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL IN ANY WAY.
OK?

So who is it down to? Why the education-loving Lying Labour party, that's who.
THEY brought in that little bit of nastiness, which hits THEIR core voters hardest, of course.

But because they didn't want the backlash from it, they make headteachers responsible.

Sort of like, "You tell them they can't go, you initiate the fines etc, but don't tell anyone it's us, and if you DON'T do it as we say, prepare to be taken to court yourself, or removed from post....or both".

Like I said...nastiness.

And, of course, there's not been many even Lying Labour Education Secretaries nastier than Gove...so on it goes.

Any more rubbish I can put to bed for you Peter?

And while I'm here, I have a question for you, Pete?

Why do you hate the education system and teachers so much? Were you bullied at school and the nasty teachers didn't help? Or was it nasty teachers bullying you?

You have a good education, which has led to you having a decent, responsible job...so why the hate directed at teachers?

 

Ffs we covered this earlier, union members are not paid while out on industrial action. So yes they are fined and if you choose to use PSLewis figures then it's a dam slight more than 60quid.

You do realise striking is generally considered a last ditch option right? We are talking the NUT here, so the decision to strike wouldn't have been taken lightly. In comparison to the likes of UNISON who'll strike over not getting a tea break.

 

The Armed Forces? Oh but we are not allowed to strike, due dry since 1991 and no-one gives a flying.........................bring it on Vladimir!

 

So even on the base rate of 21k a year, the teachers are still on way more than minimum wage, and still better than the average joe.

I wish they would stop their ****ing whinging and go and get on with some work like normal people.

You dont see 5000 electricians going on strike because we have to work over night. Its part of the joba nd you knew what you were getting into when you started and youre paid decent money for it, so pipe the **** down!

 

Why should someone with at least a 2:1 degree and FOUR years training earn minimum wage?

Your comment about part of the job and knowing what you wee getting into shows your level of understanding.

Teachers aren't striking over pay, they are striking over worsening conditions of service...what they KNEW is being changed without their say-so.

This, and previous governments have always been quick to hold up teachers' contracts to them, but not so quick when THEY want to change everything overnight with NO discussion.

One of the problems with folk on here is that they don't understand one simple thing.

Almost ANY teacher could do your job with sufficient training, but VERY FEW people could be a teacher. Fact.

 

That is complete and utter rubbish. I could be a teacher with proper training, but I chose not to be. Teachers are no more special than anyone else, most of them arent particularly intelligent. Those who can't do, teach.

And 21k a year isnt minimum wage. It is a bloody good wage for most people, and that is just to begin with! Im fed up with teachers moaning about how hard done by they are. They are not, they get bloody good money and a whole shed load of holiday and a pension etc. They are far better off than most people in the world and should stop causing normal people a problem by going on strike and suck it up.

The people who will help teachers are the joe public voters, and by shutting schools and going on strike etc they are alienating the people who they need to support them. It isnt affecting any politicians as their kids wont go to any of the schools affected. So rather than alienate them by causing them massive amounts of inconvenience maybe they should come up with a better idea.

I cannot even begin to get my head around how ignorant the comment about a teacher been able to do my job is... Teachers arent any more clever or capable than anyone else. You get useless teachers the same as useless street sweepers.

 

Do they not know the salaries of teachers before taking up the profession then?