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Old 03 July 2013, 04:04 PM
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I'm looking for an upgrade on the brakes I used to have on my TypeR. They were 2 pot and 4 pot standard items.
Possibly Brembo's, are they straight fit or require a bracket?
Old 03 July 2013, 04:10 PM
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you need new wheels too for brembos, they are wide buggers
Old 03 July 2013, 05:43 PM
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WhaT year car? Brembos weren't fitted until the newage cars.

REAR newage Brembos can be fitted with Godspeed brackets and may need discs to suit, Ian will know, they WILL fit under WRX 17" wheels.

Front Brembos will NOT fit under those wheels. They need only the fitting kit and discs. They WILL fit under newage pre-2005 STi wheels.
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Cheers chaps. Id choose wheels based on what would fit, but would rather not go down the bracket route. Are there any other calipers that would be a straight fit to a V4 ?
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if its a Type-R with rear 2pots as std then there are NO brackets required to fit rear Brembo's - bolt on with the matching discs

front calipers again are a straight fit as long as you have wheels to clear
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Originally Posted by AS Performance
if its a Type-R with rear 2pots as std then there are NO brackets required to fit rear Brembo's - bolt on with the matching discs

front calipers again are a straight fit as long as you have wheels to clear
Thanks

Does anyone run brembo's on a classic, are they a worthwhile upgrade?
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Thanks

Does anyone run brembo's on a classic, are they a worthwhile upgrade?
got them on mine.

They were a VERY worthwhile upgrade from what I had...which was twin pot front and single pot sliding rear...

Those brakes shouldn't ever have been on a performance car.

However, unless you are a very spirited driver, or do track days, what you have now with decent pads, or discs and pads, is fine.

Ask Alyn above or Ian Godney at Godspeed for advice.

Note: Brembos need bigger wheels. WRX 17" alloys just clear at the rear, at the front you have to go to STi 17's or go up to 18's.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
got them on mine.

They were a VERY worthwhile upgrade from what I had...which was twin pot front and single pot sliding rear...

Those brakes shouldn't ever have been on a performance car.

However, unless you are a very spirited driver, or do track days, what you have now with decent pads, or discs and pads, is fine.

Ask Alyn above or Ian Godney at Godspeed for advice.

Note: Brembos need bigger wheels. WRX 17" alloys just clear at the rear, at the front you have to go to STi 17's or go up to 18's.
I'm aiming for 400/400 so think I'd best go up a stage in braking also. Is there a massive difference in braking power between these and say Ksport/D2 ? As If I'm spending £400 on a set of Brembo's that need refurbishing and they aren't fantastic compared to 4pots, then I may as well spend the extra.
I'll probably go Rota Grid's 17" or 18". Any clearance issues with these?
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I have some front and rear Brembo's I bought to recondition , I can supply them as a complete kit front and rear kit including front and rear grooved discs and good pads , PF Zrated , CL RC5+ ect for just under a Grand.
Calipers will be painted or powder coated a colour of your choice and will be fully rebuilt as new
Cheers Ian
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OK thanks Ian I need to know how well they perform on classics really compared to the likes of Ksport etc. Do the discs fit over the standard hand brake shoes?.
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Originally Posted by Godspeed Brakes
I have some front and rear Brembo's I bought to recondition , I can supply them as a complete kit front and rear kit including front and rear grooved discs and good pads , PF Zrated , CL RC5+ ect for just under a Grand.
Calipers will be painted or powder coated a colour of your choice and will be fully rebuilt as new
Cheers Ian
the brembo calipers are good on the classic it's what my wife is upgrading to on her car,but if you feel like the Ksports go for them.SJ.
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Originally Posted by stonejedi
the brembo calipers are good on the classic it's what my wife is upgrading to on her car,but if you feel like the Ksports go for them.SJ.
Thanks S.J. I may have to take Ian up on his offer.
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IMO the k sport and d2 unless going for more pistons than 4 pots then I wouldn't expect any diffrence depending on combination.
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Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs
IMO the k sport and d2 unless going for more pistons than 4 pots then I wouldn't expect any diffrence depending on combination.

tried them have you to comment on them??

I have and the 356mm d2s are far better than the standard brembos set up.
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Originally Posted by Kwik
OK thanks Ian I need to know how well they perform on classics really compared to the likes of Ksport etc. Do the discs fit over the standard hand brake shoes?.

Yes your standard handbrake shoes will work with the brembo rear discs.

Just because the K sports have 8 pots it doesn't make them better , they use the same pad as the AP 6 pots so are no better just because they have more pistons , some think more pistons equals more braking power , it doesn't , to fit 8 pot calipers onto an otherwise standard car the pistons need to be small so the standard master cylinder can cope , which means you have the 8 pistons running through the centre of the pad , with calipers like the STi Brembo 4 piston calipers , they run less but larger diameter pistons so will spread the pressure over a wider area on the pads , this in my opinion makes them better.

I don't think the 330mm k sport kit will be better than the STi brembo 326mm kit , disc and pad sizes are very similar , the STi calipers would have the edge as they have better dust sealing.

The kit I can put together would be a front and rear kit , so will work better than just a k sport front kit , fitting the Brembos on the rear as well will make the car brake flatter instead of nose diving , and as the backs are doing more work , it won't overwork the fronts

Hope this helps
Cheers Ian
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
tried them have you to comment on them??

I have and the 356mm d2s are far better than the standard brembos set up.
Yes the 356mm kit will be better as on a larger diameter disc the caliper has more leverage , bigger discs are nearly always more powerful
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Originally Posted by Godspeed Brakes
Yes the 356mm kit will be better as on a larger diameter disc the caliper has more leverage , bigger discs are nearly always more powerful

that's what I found when I fitted them hence the comment.
I know bigger discs help but also the 2 piece designs keeps them cooler.
only changed from brembos though as I was fed up of snapping the bolts in their rubbish designed calipers,nothing to do with braking performance.
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
that's what I found when I fitted them hence the comment.
I know bigger discs help but also the 2 piece designs keeps them cooler.
only changed from brembos though as I was fed up of snapping the bolts in their rubbish designed calipers,nothing to do with braking performance.

Just to add that when the threads are helicoiled in the Brembos it is no longer a problem with bolts snapping , it's a permanent cure

Cheers Ian
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
tried them have you to comment on them??

I have and the 356mm d2s are far better than the standard brembos set up.
Unless going above 4 pots! I said! The disc may make a diffrence but I don't belive the caliper would be any different
And didn't you have greens in brembos for your comparisation?

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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
tried them have you to comment on them??

I have and the 356mm d2s are far better than the standard brembos set up.
This is why I wanted to ask about classic's really as it will take a lot less for me to stop in the same distance as someone would with a heavier car. The problems you encountered with your Brembos would be highlighted less in a classic, the main reason being it wouldn't be a track car. If Brembos will be a step up and capable then they may be my best bet.

Originally Posted by Godspeed Brakes
Yes your standard handbrake shoes will work with the brembo rear discs.

Just because the K sports have 8 pots it doesn't make them better , they use the same pad as the AP 6 pots so are no better just because they have more pistons , some think more pistons equals more braking power , it doesn't , to fit 8 pot calipers onto an otherwise standard car the pistons need to be small so the standard master cylinder can cope , which means you have the 8 pistons running through the centre of the pad , with calipers like the STi Brembo 4 piston calipers , they run less but larger diameter pistons so will spread the pressure over a wider area on the pads , this in my opinion makes them better.

I don't think the 330mm k sport kit will be better than the STi brembo 326mm kit , disc and pad sizes are very similar , the STi calipers would have the edge as they have better dust sealing.

The kit I can put together would be a front and rear kit , so will work better than just a k sport front kit , fitting the Brembos on the rear as well will make the car brake flatter instead of nose diving , and as the backs are doing more work , it won't overwork the fronts

Hope this helps
Cheers Ian
It does help thank you very much Ian. Are you likely to have similar deals in the future for the Brembos as I'm not quite at the stage of buying brakes as yet. Also, do you sell refurb kits for the fronts and rears?
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
that's what I found when I fitted them hence the comment.
I know bigger discs help but also the 2 piece designs keeps them cooler.
only changed from brembos though as I was fed up of snapping the bolts in their rubbish designed calipers,nothing to do with braking performance.
I thought you had over heating problems with the Brembos?

Originally Posted by Godspeed Brakes
Just to add that when the threads are helicoiled in the Brembos it is no longer a problem with bolts snapping , it's a permanent cure

Cheers Ian
Excellent, do you do this to all Brembos you refurbish?
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