Truss

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Ive been told to think about swapping my brake pads. The discs are standard plain oem ones and have plenty of life left.
Should I go for PF z compounds or some generic kevlar types?
Im worried the PF's will eat my discs in no time or will I be ok?
Thanks!

IggyRB320

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I'm using PF Zs & they are very good!

Z rated compound aren't they are that abrasive, but the 01 race compound i've read can eat discs. But there agin, it's what they're made for...racing!!

bustaMOVEs

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Depends on how you want to use car, don't be scared of disc eating, it's performance and confidence that wins everytime.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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If you use your car hard and often, the PF Z pads work well. If they aren't used hard then they can indeed eat discs.

Kevlar pads work well for normal fast road use. PF pads can take more heat.

Godspeed Brakes

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The PF Z rated pads we find are easy on discs considering the performance of them , they will will not eat discs if not used hard.

The kevlar pads are the first step up from standard , and a mild increase in performance , pads like the PF Z rated , and the EBC blue and orangestuff pads will work a lot more for the harder driver.

We offer the PF Z rated pads at £97.50 a set for the fronts and £81.50 for the rears , and the front and rear kevlar pads for £69.99.

Big difference in price and performance

Cheers Ian

bustaMOVEs

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Sorry but have to disagree with you there as both pads faded, and depends on how you describe the harder driver.

Orange pads got destroyed on track and was hardly nothing left on 1 trackday from new bedded in.
And both got fade but I would say the blue are better but still not what they say on tin IMO
Regards

Godspeed Brakes

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I wrote is as the blues and orange stuff will work a lot better than the kevlar pads , ok the EBC pads didn't work for you , you obviously drive too hard for them , you have found the pad that works for you in the Carbon Lorraine pads , just because it is your choice , doesn't mean its for everyone.

I've no doubt that if I drove a car on the track I would also trash the EBC pads , and thats because I'm a very hard driver and can drive a car to its limits , I tried the Carbon Lorraine in my rally car and I didn't like them , just because I didn't like them doesn't mean they are crap

bustaMOVEs

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I wrote IMO which you missed
I also didn't call them crap

I accept that you wrote that they can be driven harder than the Kevlar, I agree if that's what you meant.
But didn't you try rc5 old design? And the orange pads are advertised for track pads and have a longer life told by yourselfs (advertising) but in fact they are not IMO and found the blue to last longer.
And I find it hard to belive that you didn't rate the cl seen as you race yourself
So which pads do you use seen as you drive hard and to the cars limits?
Regards

Godspeed Brakes

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My choice of pad in my rally car is Ferodo DS3000 , tried most pads and always go back to them , recently tried the Carbotech XP16 and found them very good , but not as good from the word go as the Ferodo's.

I have tried the RC6 and 8's in my Impreza rally car when I had it , and yes they were a good pad but didn't give me enough feedback , just didn't find them as controllable , and they were the hardest pad on discs I have ever used , they chew discs like there is no tomorrow , and I was having to repaint my wheels after every rally.

Here is me on the track so you can see for yourself , this was in Castle coombe on this years rally supercar day , my clio only has 168hp , yet I finished 3rd overall and 1st in class in the Welsh tarmac rally championship


The Escorts are running 100hp or so more than me , its under breaking where i'm gaining

KAS35RSTI

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I need some pads, 600hp blob sti. Currently got PF 2 piece discs & PF pads (dont ask me which ones) Work well though.

I want the ideal pads for hard road use & odd track day. Minimal brake dust. Brembos all round.

Anyone?

bustaMOVEs

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Nice I've seen that video, a Clio is fairly light and nimble so can perform pretty good with right pad, I know the ds300 are better, a lot better than the 2500s anyway.
But the orange pad that are recommended for track that are clearly not that good as they get shot within 1 day as you agreed, can you agree with me on that then? Seen as you recommend them for 'track'?
I fully understand that everyone has their own requirements on pad feel and I was only giving my input as to your post saying ebc is good for the harder driver and I'm sure there are other that agree with me and some that disagree dependant on how they drive when pushing.

Godspeed Brakes

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I would have thought you would have the Z rated compound fitted , are you happy with the performance of these ? if so go with these again , they are also very well priced

bustaMOVEs

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Speak to Alyn sounds like you may have 01 compound or simlar, are they not good enough for your needs?

Godspeed Brakes

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I do not class the orangestuff pads as an all out race pad as advertised on EBC's website , maybe to some drivers they would be far too much pads for there needs , everyone is different , I class them as a very good all round pad that can take quite a lot of stick even on the track for MOST drivers.

Yes I am saying they are a good pad for the harder driver , I have not said they suit the HARDEST drivers , and there are a lot of drivers using the orangestuff pads who rate them very highly , just because you don't doesn't make them poor.

My clio weighs 920kg , so not that much lighter than an Escort

bustaMOVEs

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With no intention to offend, you're putting words into my mouth again, I haven't said they are 'poor' and you have kind of agreed that they are NOT suitable for a HARD driver on track, I'm just questioning them as to why they are advertised as a track pad, but you have explained that.
It's just when I see a track recommended pad I see it as a hard/soft driver pad and can accommodate both driver but you've confirmed they can't so thank you.
Regards

Godspeed Brakes

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I'm not putting words into your mouth , what I'm saying is my thoughts , and yes some adverts can be misleading , and claim something they are not , which is why its always good to see the bigger picture from the end user.

You need to take the averages into account , some will think a certain make pad is the bee's knee's , others will think they are the bee's rectum lol. but if you look at the bigger picture you will get a better feedback on the pads.

And like I have always said , there isn't one pad that suits all , but there will be a pad to suit the individual

To add I have not said the pads will not suit a hard driver , as they will , what I'm saying is they won't suit the HARDEST of drivers , there is a difference

bustaMOVEs

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And this is why I'm asking you further in detail, as you are a brake man.
But yeah I also thought they was the bees nees for me, going by the advertisements from yourself and others, but how wrong was I for me as an indavidual, I had to go through the learning curve and try nemerous pads for myself before I was happy, and I wouldn't say I'm the greatest driver in the world as to why I thought track pads would suit all.
Too much scare mongering and selling tactics on here tbh that got me reeled in.
Regards

KAS35RSTI

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I know they are defo PF, but not sure which model. However I am happy with the way they stop the car.

Is there any way of finding out what model they are? I dont mind taking them off to have a look.

Can you give me a price for F+R please

bustaMOVEs

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There you gandu

stockcar

for ultimate track use we tend to use the Pagid rs15, far more controllable and cold bite than pretty much everything else out there (although the newer PFC 07 and endurance biased 08 are pushing themsleves up there)

always found ds3000 too "wooden" particuarly on gravel and often found the likes of rs4.2 or rs14 worked better in this application (older grpN type set-ups)

alyn

Truss

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It only gets used at weekends, and i like a blast! Never seen a track, and as much as i'dove to get on one, i cant see it happening in the near future.
Just want solid braking performance on the road for a hardish driver when the occasion arises.
The kevlar offer a modest increase in braking, but the PF's will work well oem plain discs? And when i do need discs i can stick with the oem ones? (24yo, im thinking insurance issues with dimpled/grooved discs!)

stockcar

PFC z-rated will far outperform generic kevlar type pads and will happily mate with std discs

alyn

KAS35RSTI

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What are your prices?

Truss

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I'm decided then.
As above alyn!