What are the BEST Brakes for a BUGEYE STI for on the road and on the track?
03 June 2008, 04:45 PM
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What are the BEST Brakes for a BUGEYE STI for on the road and on the track?
I've just bought a 2002 STI (Bugeye), I've got about £1500 to spend on brakes. What are the best for use on the road and the track?
03 June 2008, 05:08 PM
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Brakes as in pads?
pads and discs?
Pads,discs calipers?
Define what you want? Where is your car lacking at the moment?
I think you''ll be hard pressed to beat the disc/pad combo from the likes of Performance Friction. You have to seriously go some to over do them... although i know someone that has lol.
He was in the TA at Knockhill, no other reason for them to go lol
pads and discs?
Pads,discs calipers?
Define what you want? Where is your car lacking at the moment?
I think you''ll be hard pressed to beat the disc/pad combo from the likes of Performance Friction. You have to seriously go some to over do them... although i know someone that has lol.
He was in the TA at Knockhill, no other reason for them to go lol
03 June 2008, 06:34 PM
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The reason I need new brakes is the old discs and pads are tanned. I wanted something special rather than replacing them with the stock setup. What are the best websites for brakes(Calipers, discs and pads)?
03 June 2008, 09:49 PM
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IMHO, If you have around £1500 and want something special then go for an AP kit, you definitely won't be disappointed..
Avoid the usual CP7040 6 pot based kit as they're just too heavy. Go instead for the 330mm 4 pot CP5200 or CP5570 6 pot, (although the latter might be slightly over your budget).
You will not be disappointed..
The difference between my standard 4pots (not brembo), even with uprated pads (pagid 421;s), decent fluid and s/s hoses and the AP 4pots with DS2500's I now run is night and day..
Avoid the usual CP7040 6 pot based kit as they're just too heavy. Go instead for the 330mm 4 pot CP5200 or CP5570 6 pot, (although the latter might be slightly over your budget).
You will not be disappointed..
The difference between my standard 4pots (not brembo), even with uprated pads (pagid 421;s), decent fluid and s/s hoses and the AP 4pots with DS2500's I now run is night and day..
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04 June 2008, 10:21 AM
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Frayz is right , the calipers on the front of the 'Gobstoppers' are the 7040 6 pot calipers , which in my eye's are the better calipers to fit to a mainly road car as they have much better dust sealing , people seem to go on about they are the cheaper caliper so therefore no good , I totally disagree. I used to run these calipers on my Gp A Cosworth rally car a few years ago , they were fantastic.
Yes the calipers are cheaper than the 5555 and 5070 , Since Brembo took AP over , they have used there methods of making calipers on these ones , as they are made on a much greater scale , then they will be cheaper to produce , which doesn't make them an inferior caliper , far from it , which is great for the customers who buy them , And the Ferodo pads are a hell of a lot cheaper too , they are nearly £200 a set for the 5555 calipers , and only £95 for the 7040 ones. So overall running costs will be less.
Jasonius , The 7040 are just over 1kg heavier than the smaller 5200 4 pots , no one would every tell the difference by driving a road car fitted with brakes weighing only 1kg more , the 7040 calipers will perform much better than the 5200's due to the extra clamping force and larger pads , its down to basic physics.
Back to the original question , I can supply you a 335mm kit that uses the 7040 calipers , ferodo pads ect , in the group buy I am running on here , for £1050 complete , add to that £159 for a pair of grooved rear discs and £80 for Ferodo DS2500 rear pads , and you will have an awesome setup ready for any track abuse.
Here is the group buy thread
https://www.scoobynet.com/group-buys...-1050-kit.html
Cheers Ian
Yes the calipers are cheaper than the 5555 and 5070 , Since Brembo took AP over , they have used there methods of making calipers on these ones , as they are made on a much greater scale , then they will be cheaper to produce , which doesn't make them an inferior caliper , far from it , which is great for the customers who buy them , And the Ferodo pads are a hell of a lot cheaper too , they are nearly £200 a set for the 5555 calipers , and only £95 for the 7040 ones. So overall running costs will be less.
Jasonius , The 7040 are just over 1kg heavier than the smaller 5200 4 pots , no one would every tell the difference by driving a road car fitted with brakes weighing only 1kg more , the 7040 calipers will perform much better than the 5200's due to the extra clamping force and larger pads , its down to basic physics.
Back to the original question , I can supply you a 335mm kit that uses the 7040 calipers , ferodo pads ect , in the group buy I am running on here , for £1050 complete , add to that £159 for a pair of grooved rear discs and £80 for Ferodo DS2500 rear pads , and you will have an awesome setup ready for any track abuse.
Here is the group buy thread
https://www.scoobynet.com/group-buys...-1050-kit.html
Cheers Ian
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04 June 2008, 11:28 AM
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Frayz is right , the calipers on the front of the 'Gobstoppers' are the 7040 6 pot calipers , which in my eye's are the better calipers to fit to a mainly road car as they have much better dust sealing , people seem to go on about they are the cheaper caliper so therefore no good , I totally disagree. I used to run these calipers on my Gp A Cosworth rally car a few years ago , they were fantastic.
Yes the calipers are cheaper than the 5555 and 5070 , Since Brembo took AP over , they have used there methods of making calipers on these ones , as they are made on a much greater scale , then they will be cheaper to produce , which doesn't make them an inferior caliper , far from it , which is great for the customers who buy them , And the Ferodo pads are a hell of a lot cheaper too , they are nearly £200 a set for the 5555 calipers , and only £95 for the 7040 ones. So overall running costs will be less.
Jasonius , The 7040 are just over 1kg heavier than the smaller 5200 4 pots , no one would every tell the difference by driving a road car fitted with brakes weighing only 1kg more , the 7040 calipers will perform much better than the 5200's due to the extra clamping force and larger pads , its down to basic physics.
Back to the original question , I can supply you a 335mm kit that uses the 7040 calipers , ferodo pads ect , in the group buy I am running on here , for £1050 complete , add to that £159 for a pair of grooved rear discs and £80 for Ferodo DS2500 rear pads , and you will have an awesome setup ready for any track abuse.
Here is the group buy thread
https://www.scoobynet.com/group-buys...-1050-kit.html
Cheers Ian
Yes the calipers are cheaper than the 5555 and 5070 , Since Brembo took AP over , they have used there methods of making calipers on these ones , as they are made on a much greater scale , then they will be cheaper to produce , which doesn't make them an inferior caliper , far from it , which is great for the customers who buy them , And the Ferodo pads are a hell of a lot cheaper too , they are nearly £200 a set for the 5555 calipers , and only £95 for the 7040 ones. So overall running costs will be less.
Jasonius , The 7040 are just over 1kg heavier than the smaller 5200 4 pots , no one would every tell the difference by driving a road car fitted with brakes weighing only 1kg more , the 7040 calipers will perform much better than the 5200's due to the extra clamping force and larger pads , its down to basic physics.
Back to the original question , I can supply you a 335mm kit that uses the 7040 calipers , ferodo pads ect , in the group buy I am running on here , for £1050 complete , add to that £159 for a pair of grooved rear discs and £80 for Ferodo DS2500 rear pads , and you will have an awesome setup ready for any track abuse.
Here is the group buy thread
https://www.scoobynet.com/group-buys...-1050-kit.html
Cheers Ian
04 June 2008, 11:40 AM
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1.1kg per caliper of unsprung weight is significant IMHO..
Then you have the weight of the larger pad, larger disc and before you know it you will notice a difference in the handling of your car..
So unless you're doing a lot of track work using slicks the 4pot will perform just as well, without any of the drawbacks of the additional unsprung weight..
But as Ian says, any of the AP kits will be streets ahead of the OEM setup, in terms of weight and performance..
Then you have the weight of the larger pad, larger disc and before you know it you will notice a difference in the handling of your car..
So unless you're doing a lot of track work using slicks the 4pot will perform just as well, without any of the drawbacks of the additional unsprung weight..
But as Ian says, any of the AP kits will be streets ahead of the OEM setup, in terms of weight and performance..
04 June 2008, 12:27 PM
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You will NOT notice the difference in the weight on a road car , I have been rallying for best part of 20 years , and am always looking for the extra seconds , I have driven just about every car , and tried and tested just about every brake kit , I cannot tell the difference when driving a road with either caliper kit fitted , but you will feel the extra power in brake performance though , especially from 3 figure speeds.
Cheers Ian
You will NOT notice the difference in the weight on a road car , I have been rallying for best part of 20 years , and am always looking for the extra seconds , I have driven just about every car , and tried and tested just about every brake kit , I cannot tell the difference when driving a road with either caliper kit fitted , but you will feel the extra power in brake performance though , especially from 3 figure speeds.
Cheers Ian
04 June 2008, 05:42 PM
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Makes a lot of sense especially with £100 knocked off normal prices
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05 June 2008, 04:03 PM
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Cheers for all the advice, it was all really useful.
The performance friction brakes look good and I've heard nothing but positive things about them.
but,
I've always wanted big AP racing brakes, even though they are more expensive, I love the look of the calipers
and obviously the performance they give.
The performance friction brakes look good and I've heard nothing but positive things about them.
but,
I've always wanted big AP racing brakes, even though they are more expensive, I love the look of the calipers
and obviously the performance they give.
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05 June 2008, 04:24 PM
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Here is a thread Frayz did: https://www.scoobynet.com/members-ga...ck-em-out.html
Makes the Brembo calipers look lovely - coupled with Performance Friction Discs/bells/pads would look and perform brilliantly
Just an option.
Makes the Brembo calipers look lovely - coupled with Performance Friction Discs/bells/pads would look and perform brilliantly
Just an option.
05 June 2008, 05:05 PM
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Srm I was like you a while back.... but after Duncans(Dynamix) review, and there was a group buy on at the time from Zen I went for the PF's as has been mentioned on this thread I find them to be a cracking bit off kit Im running 01 pads front and back as well I have done numerouse trackdays/fast road use and they have never let me down dont get me wrong the AP's are a cracking bit of kit but tbh they are in my mind best for racing purposes only when you are after every % of advantage in competition.The quality of the PF disks/bells setup is second to none. Btw I have no conection to PF or any of their suppliers Im just praising a bit of kit which has never let me down and I can recommend.
05 June 2008, 05:12 PM
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If thats aimed at my kits , they are hardly ' bundled ' together , and as for branded , Godspeed has around since 1990 , is that long enough to be classed so ? What a silly thing to say.
My parts are all designed and made using state of the art CAD / CAM manufacturing , and my discs come with a 12 month guarantee against warping even if you do track days , no one else offers a guarantee like that.
Cheers Ian
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With adequate ducting the Performance Friction set-up will handle anything you can throw at them, I run them on my 400bhp Time Attack STi which weighs 1700kgs and manages to lap Donnington in 1:21 and Knockhill in 58 seconds.
The front pads have lasted an afternoon at Brands Hatch, a day at Abbeyville, a day at Donnington and a day at Knockhill so you certainly get your moneys worth
The front pads have lasted an afternoon at Brands Hatch, a day at Abbeyville, a day at Donnington and a day at Knockhill so you certainly get your moneys worth
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Here is a thread Frayz did: https://www.scoobynet.com/members-ga...ck-em-out.html
Makes the Brembo calipers look lovely - coupled with Performance Friction Discs/bells/pads would look and perform brilliantly
Just an option.
Makes the Brembo calipers look lovely - coupled with Performance Friction Discs/bells/pads would look and perform brilliantly
Just an option.
You've got me thinking twice about the AP's. The Brembo calipers do look mint and it would save me money just getting the PF discs and pads.
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Fitted to mine for less than the Subaru standard bits cost ! !
Only tracked on a rallycross circuit, but they are awesome in value and performance.
IMHO
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