H4RDY

Hi everybody. I will be upgrading my brakes soon. After pricing up all the options the 8 pot Ksport kit in either 330mm or 356mm is looking the best value. Anybody got any experience with these? A couple of reviews I read seem to rate them highly.

I will be putting the 6 pots on the rear as well anybody done this?

Thanks.

D1CCY

No experience but one advantage is that the 8 pot fronts use the same pad shape as the AP 5570 caliper so all grades of Pagid pads can be sourced from Alyn at ASPerformance.

Chelspeed

If they use the same pad as an AP 6 pot then what on earth is the point of having 8 pots behind it? The same pad means the same swept area which means the same braking.

It's a gimmick the same as Tarox 12 pots and all the other triumph of bling over performance type of kit.

If you want AP pads then why not get AP calipers?

Mother Theresa

Coz they're 2/3rds the price and for my money work brilliantly. A doddle to fit and didn't fail me over 80 laps of Snetterton.
I haven't done the rears.
DS2500 should be all you need padwise but others will disagree.

Tone Loc

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Personally having tried a few brake options the phrase you get what you pay for springs to mind. AP/Brembo/Alcon are all well respected and have years of motorsport experience behind them..... not sure you'll see K-Sport calipers fitted to the 2008 Mclaren, SWRT Impreza or BTCC Seat.

Oh, but they do look nice in orange

Tony.

H4RDY

I think that if you have more pressure behind the pad ie 8 pots instead of 6 not only is there more braking force for less effort but isnt the spread of force better? If it isnt then why not just have 1 big pot!

D1CCY

Piston area is an odd issue. I replaced my gold brembos with 58.4 cm2 piston area with AP 5570 caliper with 50.1 cm2 piston area and they stop harder and more importantly with much better feel. I've had a close look at the K sport calipers and they appear to be particularly well made, IIRC the pistons are slightly offset radially and will spread the fluid pressure well and should be able to provide good feel. How they cope with desperate braking and high temperatures I've no idea.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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whats the price of the 8pot fronts and 6 pot rears?

I would be tempted to spend the money on proper AP 6 pots for the front and leave the rears alone.

Unless its just for bling

F1 CJE UK

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6 pots on the back will be over kill. ap are the way to go 4 me any way

H4RDY

I think it works out at about £1700 for front and rear 330mm discs with 8 pot front 6 pot rear. Thats with the ksport street pad. I have had some excellent helpful communication with Kevin who runs it I think. They have been using them in some Time Attack series(?) with some success (brakes I think).

Aztec Performance Ltd

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£1700?

That will get you a very nice AP setup that will work very well.

Not as bling as a zillion pistons though

Tone Loc

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£1700

You could save £300 and get some red AP 6 pots with DS2500 pads and Godspeed 335mm grooved 2 piece discs. Far better than the K Fed... sorry K sport offerings. And as for looks (if this bothers you) they would look fine with the rear red 2 pots of the MY06. Maybe get some grooved discs for these and DS pads from Godspeed with the £300 you've saved.

Hmmm APs or K Sport.... no contest!

Tony.

Godspeed Brakes

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Yes I have these kits in stock for next day delivery , I can supply you a 335mm kit with the red or black AP 6 pot calipers , Ferodo DS2500 pads , grooved 335mm x 32mm discs and bells , alloy brackets for £1300 delivered , A big saving and a 12 month guarantee on the discs even if you do track days
Cheers Ian

H4RDY

I also looked at the godspeed big disc conversion kit with original calipers but that was £625 and it does not say if it includes vat and delivery? Does anybody else offer a big disc kit with original calipers?

£1700 was for both front and rear by the way.

£855 for 8 pot front kit all in with vat.

I know AP are renowned across the world and I know I will get chastised by people for this comment, and I do appreciate the help and advice but there appears to be a lot of AP snobbery.

I am now going to wait for the backlash!

Godspeed Brakes

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Hi
Yes the 335mm kit we make is £625 all in , plus £10 for delivery

Cheers Ian

bren@apex

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You can get AP front and rear kits for £1700? Where from?

Our local Scooby tuner, Richard Henry Motorsport, is running KSport brakes on his 2.5 GC8. Hes so impressed that hes got another set on order for his son who runs a GC8 Type R.

He had a customer come in recently who wanted some bigger brakes. Andy (boss of Richard Henry) offered him KSport brakes but the guy refused saying he wanted tried and well know kit on the basis that it would fit perfectly and give no problems.

He brought along his £1700 Alcon front kit and Andy fitted it. We all went to the ring a couple of weeks ago and met the Evo guy there. He couldnt do one lap of the Ring at speed due to the massive vibration he was getting.

The KSport cars did lap after lap with no problems. I myself did 13 laps in one day and never got near the limitations of the 330mm KSport front kit! Ive done loooooooooaadds of track work, the car was running around 350bhp and was on sticky Dunlop DZ02Gs so the brakes were having to work hard. Still not a hint of fade.

The Alcon rotors have been sent back to the suppliers, the Evos off the road. My cars back on track tommorrow at Donnington, on exactly the same set up it was running at the Ring.

Tone Loc

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£1700 was for the KSports front and rear wasn't it? Godspeed APs front only £1300....

Bren, can the KSports be had in a descrete colour..... or do they have to come in Orange?

Tony.

PS H4RDY have you thought of sourcing used Sti brembos with decent new discs and pads?

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Many would question your idea of next day delivery.

"...someone put the wrong address on it...."

"...courier mis-delivered it...."

"...courier damaged it...."


etc etc

I would hate to ever try and return anything to you under "warranty"! Car would be off the road for months!

Aztec Performance Ltd

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What I meant about the proper AP setup was....you could spend the money on the fronts only (with pads uprated pads on rear) and it would be far more than you'll need, and most likely better than Ksports front and rear.

Been down this road myself. Not with this brand, but with another. Decided in the end to go with a proper 330mm Impreza Kit with CP5570 calipers on the front and leave the rears alone. Works a treat.

Thats from a performance perspective. For bling/show cars then more pots the better


Easier to service too.

Godspeed Brakes

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Bob
My idea of next day delivery is exactly that , I have this kit in stock , once it is paid for , the delivery will be the next working day.
Cheers Ian

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Ian,

I used to defend you and thought your products offered a good discount. Yes, I had read some of the posts regarding your poor contact, returns and phantom couriers, but I decided to take a chance with you as I seemed to be able to contact you fine.

Once you had the order/money, things were very different and I heard the same excuses that many had heard before me.

I guess I should have paid more attention to those posts about your contact/delivery/integrity before I parted with money.

Bob

Moley

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Out of interest which would be a better setup: K Sport 6 pots or STI Brembo's???

Godspeed Brakes

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Bob
Once again you seem to take much pleasure in taking any thread with the mention of Godspeed down to the gutter.

I offered you a discount on TWO pairs of discs and bells and brackets , but the second order never happened so I can only take it you lied to me to get a cheaper price , quite a bit of time was wasted in waiting for that , you told me many tales of when it would be here , why it wasn't here.

You also sent me an extremely f**cked pair of AP calipers to recondition , which once I had done you wern't happy with the cost of doing them , even though you know what the parts cost from AP.

Yes I did admit that I sent the parts out to the wrong address , but it was never life or death at the time as you had gone back to India or Pakistan for 6 weeks anyway so you couldn't do anything with them. I appologised for that , it was my mistake.

In the end I decided it was best to give you your £200 back , so you could get them from elsewhere , and I think you need to get over it and move on.

Just because your order didn't go to plan , and before you start digging up any anti Godspeed thread like you usually do , yes there are a few others that would say simlilar , after supplying over 2000 kits for Subaru's I would expect to get some negative comments , I cant get it right all the time.
What I do do , is learn from that and try for it to never happen again. You will not get many complaints now about late deliveries or not getting me on the phone ,
And any warantee claims are dealt with very quickly as I do appreciate that some peoples cars are everyday vehicles and cannot be off the road.

Time to move on ?
Cheers Ian

bren@apex

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They are offered them in black for the more discreet amongst us.

Front caliper 1

Front caliper 2

Rear caliper 1

Rear caliper 2

bren@apex

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Until you have done back to back testing between AP and other brands of brakes you are in no position to take it as read that KSport are poorer performers than the AP equivilent.

To do so shows nothing but a closed mind not open to the possibilities that maybe you can get high quality brakes that perform for less money.

KSport provide good pedal feel and a very high degree of resistance to fade. They provide consistent, powerful and fade free braking performance on track lap after lap after lap.

I fail to see how they dont match APs performance when the criteria is performance above all else. What more can you want but reliable fade free stopping power with plenty of feel to allow at the limit threshold braking?

You say that based on what, have you tried servicing a KSport caliper? Theyre design lends itself to fast and easy maintenance, I dont see how youd get an easier caliper to work on. Pad changes take a matter of seconds.

We have customers upgrading from Brembos to 356mm kits so presumably the KSPorts. Ive not personally tried them back to back.

Tone Loc

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They actually look quite nice.... red ones to match the red rear two pots of an MY06 would be even better. Interesting that they use an AP size pad too, maybe i dismissed these too easily.

Tony.

Moley

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Also is there a wide choice of pads to use with the KSports? (ie Pagid and Ferodo)

H4RDY

I have tried the STI brembo route but only on Ebay with no joy.

I think after the excellent advice from Kevin at Ksport I will be going with them as I see some comments on here about Godspeed that are not very favourable but also £625 for a big disc upgrade is outrageous when you can get the 8 pot calipers for £230 more!

You have all got me thinking about the colour I was going for orange but I will probably go for the black!

bren@apex

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Im glad you say that, I understand that people want to stay with tried, tested and trusted brands and products but sometimes this blinkers peoples views and leads to them dismissing other products out of hand without actually trying them.

We recently did a magazine test witht he brakes, you can read about it here:

K-Sport. Suspension, Alignment Components and Motorsport Accessories

To my knowledge we have only had one complaint about the braking performance and that was a guy running a 450bhp Nissan who fitted them, went out and nailed them from the off. He phoned to complain that the Ferodo DS2500s were smoking their nuts off and that the brakes were therefore crap.

It was just the pads bedding in, they have to get really hot to bed in properly, thats all he had done, got the pads really hot so they smoked. We explained this to him and havent heard back from him since

bren@apex

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Yes, the calipers use a common pad shape so theres a wide range of aftermarket manufacturers who can supply suitable pads. Anyone who can supply pads for AP calipers.