Aztec Performance Ltd

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If you really must do this again.

Just informing people of what to expect, so they might not make the same mistake.

You know who the 2nd pair was for and I gave you his number. He is busy and doesn't have the time to sit on the phone all week to try and get ahold of you. He did leave his number for you to call him back, which you did not do.

The price changed without prior agreement as you decided to not to supply the bells/brackets anymore as I had posted a thread on SN about how long it was taking.

You held the order to ransom and I said to you I wasn't prepared to delete the thread as it was factual and if there was anything on there that you wasn't true and you didn't agree with, I would amend. You did not offer any suggestions other than to delete it or I wouldn't get my order.


Wrong address? They were never sent to the wrong address, as both of those addresses I would have received the parcel. I also left it with a good friend of mine to contact you and arrange delivery. Again, I would have received it at either of those addresses you alleged to have sent it to.

Then, you stall it even further by saying the courier damaged the contents of the parcel

You have not provided one proof for any of these alleged events, and I doubt they ever actually happened.

Seems like I wasn't the only one to be fed those lines when I searched 'Godspeed' on here.

Interesting wording.

I went on holiday to India for less than 3 weeks, which did not in any way stall the delivery times as I left it with a friend of mine who contacted you etc . Besides, apparently the order had been dispatched before I went on holiday anyhow.

I have since been to Turkey and Mexico. Hasn't stopped any other people getting ordered bits to me in time.

It took you months to recon some calipers for me and return them.

I got so fed up waiting that I bought another set of AP calipers and recon'd them myself in a fraction of the time.

In the end you decided to try and blackmail me and it didn't work.

Leave it at that.

Godspeed Brakes

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ok will do , hopefully like me you can move on now , and let this thread get back to what it is.

H4RDY

I think I have made my mind up anyway!

I think the thread got lost somewhere!

H4RDY

Bren,

Just looked at the pictures that you posted I am sure the ksport logo is different on your website.

These pictures of the calipers look different?

I prefer the website logo!

bren@apex

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KSport changed the design of the calipers slightly, have a look at the outline comparisons, the new design is a lot sexier They changed the logo at the same time. Ive got to say that Im not 100% on the new logo design but we are pushing them to change it slightly.

Monkey200

Hi, I'm Kev mentioned above, I work at Apex for Bren (above), and am technical contact for K-Sport UK.

I can understand peoples reluctance to not use a product thats tried and tested, thats why you should buy the K-Sport, as they are a tried and tested product. We have Subaru customers using them in tarmac rallies & sprints and are very happy. We have done over 40 trackdays in our skyline, as well as running the brakes on 200SX's we own.


My Own car which I use in Time Attack is running 400bhp, and 330mm K-Sports, I have NEVER had cause to fault the brakes. I recently went to Sweden to do the "SuperStage" which is the Swedes favourite all round test of a cars brakes, power and handling. I won that event by 1.2 seconds, having no experiance of the course until that weekend, setting a time that not 2 years ago would have been the course record!

Apex Performance and K-Sport Win in Sweden Vid
YouTube - SM Wins in Sweden, SuperStage, Emmaboda

Its not the only decent result I have had this year, there is no RWD class in TimeAttack this year, but if there had of been I would have had a 1st, 2nd and 3rd over the year, rather than a couple of 8ths.

Our main test vehicle has mainly been a 1400kg Skyline GTST, currently running lots of power (almost 600bhp), but has been running at least 500bhp for the whole of this year.

Power Graph
www.ksport.co.uk/vids/591fly.jpg

Heres a vid of the car (which is mainly a drift car, but is also used a track car) blasting round Snetterton, a brake killer track if ever there was one, with our Tuners similar powered Evo - the Evo is running 363mm AP brakes, the Skyline 356mm K-Sports. Snetterton is our Tuners local track and he knows it very well.

YouTube - Apex Performance Skyline VS APTs Evo at Snetterton

I dont think anybody with our brakes would be dissapointed.

PS the K-sport 8-pots weight 2.8Kg each.

dmnbrm

i fitted the k-sport calipers 3 months ago and have found them to be fantastic,there half the price of other kits and got deliverd 2 days later,fitted in about 1 hour,lots of feel,they look good.cant recomend them enough.

bren@apex

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The Skyline was running low boost on that day due to a wiring fault with the boost controller so was only around 430bhp, over 100bhp down on the Evo. You can see the Skyline struggle out of the corners with lag as wed lost a load of midrange power with the low boost setting.

H4RDY

Thanks Kev. I (big.j!) will be ordering my kit very shortly. As I mentioned top advice mate real credit to Bren and Apex that they have someone knowledgable willing to talk to semi stupid people like myself who know a little bit but not the full picture! All the other kits are a rip off selling on there name alone. And like I said some brand snobery! I am surprised I did not get chastised for that but I think the thread went to far off topic. Thanks again.

H4RDY

dmnbrm what wheels and size disc did you go for? I have 18" OZ Superleggera on a 45mm Offset did you have any clearance issues?

dmnbrm

i have 17" oz superleggra 2 running 215/40/17 tyres,i measured before i bought them and i thought the 356mm disc would be too tight,the 330mm disc fits perfect behing the 17" wheels and i have had no clearance issues at all.ive had other scoobys that i had alcon big brake kit on,and on my 2nd scooby i had a tarox kit.
all i can say is the k-sport outshines them all,and it cost me half the money.
also the orange calipers look wicked.
cheers]damian

H4RDY

Thanks that is the info I needed.

H4RDY

dmnbrm what is your wheel offset mine is 45mm so should have a lot of clearance as its about the max I think you should go on an Impreza.

dmnbrm

i think mine is 45mm as well,hope that helps
cheers
damian

P1 FEK

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How much is the rear brake kit?

Aztec Performance Ltd

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£1700 for APs on the front as you wont then need to upgrade the rears.

My servicing comment was with regards to the number of pistons/seals etc when it comes to changing them.

APs are race proven and then some. Are K-sports better than APs or as good as? If so I wouldn't mind swapping my APs out as I could claw some money back on the difference.

Why do K-sport use 8 pistons?

Not knocking K-sports. I'm sure lots of people will be attracted by the size of the discs and number of pistons.

Also, whats the piston area of the rear 6 pots and how does it affect the brake balance?

H4RDY

Rear 6 pot with k sport pad is £855.

SSCJAY

Did his Discs crack at the same time?

P1 FEK

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What about with DS2500's?
What size disc is that?

Monkey200

We dont list Ferodo pads for the rear kit, we do have K-sport steet, track and race pad options.

330mm kit with K Sport Street pads £727.66 (£855 inc vat)
330mm kit with Ferodo DS2500 pads £787.24 (£925 inc vat)
330mm kit with Ferodo DS3000 pads £808.51 (£955 inc vat)
356mm kit with K Sport street pads £850.22 (£999 inc vat)
356mm kit with Ferodo DS2500 pads £909.79 (£1069 inc vat)
356mm kit with Ferodo DS3000 pads £931.06 (£1099 inc vat)

In ALL the time we have only had 1 cracked customer disk, this was on a 500+ BHP R34 GTT at Snetterton with a brand new not bedded-in kit. The rotor was sent back to the factory and as part of our ongoing development we have since introduced a new spec 356mm rotor.

Lots of points, I find your first one a joke, especially as in your last point you talk about bais. You can upgrade the fronts all day long, and improve the overall braking however to maximise your braking you need a front/rear upgrade. Upgrading the rears is more difficult, if you get too much front bais your car is still easy to drive, too much rear and it can be a handful. We have never had a complaint with 356mm fronts and 330mm rears. We have had customers tune the balance of 356/356 kits with pads alone, our skyline runs the most simple of bias valves with 356/356 setup and we have no problem.

We use a 8-pot, staggered size, front caliper to make sure we get a consistent and even pressure accross the full width of the pad, this ensures maximal braking and nice even wear of the pads.

One of the biggest reasons we sell a brake kit to somebody is that they have been reccomended by an existing customer, this makes me very happy. I'm confident you will only find people who havent used the kit are the ones saying it isnt any good.

We have had customers sell AP's fronts and buy matching K-sport front and rears - makes for a cheap upgrade.


Kev

K-Sport. Suspension, Alignment Components and Motorsport Accessories
01274 683633

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Hi Kev,

1st point is not a joke. Take for example the Time Attack winning car...4 pots (StopTech) upfront and OE 2 pots rear.

Are you saying the Ksport kit is an upgrade for APs?

Monkey200

Sorry Bob, I meant I found your comment odd. From my own experiance the rear can make a large differance and is often missed by people.

I'm not saying the K-sport is an upgrade for AP's, just we have had customers who know they can get a good chunk of cash back for an AP front kit and by adding minimal extra money can get a front and rear K-sport kit.

K-sports 356 front, and 330 rear should outperform a car with only upgraded fronts.

Monkey200

The Zen car runs quite small front brakes, and is built for the short sprints of TimeAtttack, the differance between front and rear size and power is not that great.

A car with over-upgraded fronts and standard rears will tend to nose more under braking, with an upgraded rear setup your car stays much flatter and more stable under braking.

In all the testing we have done upgrading the rears after fitting 356 fronts has been beneficial.

bren@apex

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Take no notice of Kev, hes just a typical blunt thick skinned northerner who speaks his mind at times. Hes actually a big softy really, just blunt to the point of ride at other times.

Its usually me unintentionally getting myself into trouble for being too blunt, not him!

Hes right in what hes saying about not giving the rear of the car any attention. Our experience shows that upgrading the front and not touching the rear wont optimise the cars abilities.

We dont (yet) run an Impreza but Andy from Richard Henry Motorsport is looking at a rear upgrade for his GC8 after fitting KSport 330mm fronts as hes getting issues with stability during threshold braking with the standard rear set up.

He only runs normal rear pads mind, just upgrading to decent pads might settle the car. We found playing with pad compounds alone in our Skyline (356mm 8 pot front, 356mm 6 pot rear) allowed us to set the front rear dry brake balance

We are now on the look out for another GC8 (I bought a Type RA a couple of years ago but someone nicked it 3 months after I bought it) so we can start doing some more Impreza specific testing and development. We will be taking it to a number of Scooby track days so you guys can come and check out the performance of our products for yourselves, including the KSport brakes.

j900ase

Just fitted them to my RB320, i have had many sets of AP,s on many cars. But thought i would give these a try, so far so good they fit well and disc run out was 0.01mm on both sides , my last set of AP,s was 0.02. bedding in still at moment but initial feel is very good with excellent pedal feel.

On the minus point no instructions or any tech info on run-out, tightening torque etc. I used AP,s excellent instructions on there web site for tech info.

j900ase

bren@apex

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Whats an RB320?

If you let me know exactly what info you missed then Ill ensure that KSport add the details to all subsequent kits manufactured

We are finding that the only negative comments we get about KSport brakes are from people who havent tried them. All we get from people who run them is hugely positive feedback.

KSport have been manufacturing a range of products for a while know but its plain to see how fiercely proud they are of their brakes in particular. They are working on massive turnover and absolutely minimal margins hence the silly low prices but it works for them. They achieve income through volume and theyre making a real sucess of it.

To give you an idea of what we turnover we order a number of kits each week to fulfill general trading and have just placed a stock order for another 105 sets. Ill be ordering an additional stock order for 30+sets in the next week or so.

j900ase

A RB320 is a special edition 2007 STI to commemorate the late Richard Burns,
I bought my brake kit new of a forum user, the kit was for a GC8 . This is why i had to machine some 114.3 holes in disc bell as per AP discs.

I rang K Sport many times to find tech data and if kit would fit, no one could tell me, they had to email factory (24 hour job to get response).

Response was different, no way???? why i asked, in the end found out it was wheel clearance issue and AP make there kits to fit WRX which gives clearance on STI too.

So far i like the product its good quality and good fit, but tech back up is rubbish, i hope you will address this. May be an online spec sheet, fitting guide and tech data?

Jase.

bren@apex

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Ill speak to the lads at work tommorrow, find out who dealt with your enquiry, find out what info we were lacking and will adress the issue both within our own organisation and with the literature sent out by KSport with the kits

j900ase

Cool.

Jase.