Performance Friction brake pads.
19 June 2007, 12:55 PM
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Performance Friction brake pads.
Seems to be a lot of chat around about how good these are. I've seen their discs and they look very well made. Has anyone any opinion about how the pads compare with the likes of Ferodo and Pagid. Their own website seems to Hype up what they are made of and their published operating temperature limits seem very high compared with the Ferodo and Pagid claims.
20 June 2007, 09:15 AM
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Hi Diccy, their website is shockingly out of date isnt it.
However, i have experienced their goods first hand......and they are very very good, both the discs and pads.
Their 97 compound is like a pagid 29 (for endurance track work), and their 01 compound is like a ds3000 (higher bite, but dont rise in torque on their own like the ferodo), but what i noticed is the pads are very controllable and you always know how they are going to react.
I was speaking to a guy from redline mag at the last time attack round, and he had just fitted one of the compounds and loves them.
However, i have experienced their goods first hand......and they are very very good, both the discs and pads.
Their 97 compound is like a pagid 29 (for endurance track work), and their 01 compound is like a ds3000 (higher bite, but dont rise in torque on their own like the ferodo), but what i noticed is the pads are very controllable and you always know how they are going to react.
I was speaking to a guy from redline mag at the last time attack round, and he had just fitted one of the compounds and loves them.
20 June 2007, 09:40 AM
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They sound like quite high friction pads then. Must say I'm confused by the way thet number them. Trouble is I've swapped my Brembos for AP 6 pots (and Pagid blues) and I don't suppose they make them in AP pad shapes.
Their website seems to suggest that the pads are made of a revolutionary material that has wonderous heat resisting properties, sounds like a bit of hype.
Their website seems to suggest that the pads are made of a revolutionary material that has wonderous heat resisting properties, sounds like a bit of hype.
20 June 2007, 01:00 PM
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Performance Friction pads are awesome in my time on the road and track with them.
Work well out of the box when cold but just keep getting better and better when hot.
I have got these running in std STI brembos with the PF 2 piece discs and love them. No need to run AP's IMHO with these.
Work well out of the box when cold but just keep getting better and better when hot.
I have got these running in std STI brembos with the PF 2 piece discs and love them. No need to run AP's IMHO with these.
20 June 2007, 01:22 PM
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Got a mate with your set up. He's at Elvington on 1st July so I'll see how he gets on. My main interest is that is there any substance to PFs hype or are they just very good pads made with conventional materials. I'm just curious.
20 June 2007, 02:21 PM
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Lots of substance.
I dont know how you can doubt it personally.
I have done:
- nurburgring in 8 min range on them - no fade/judder
- snetterton in 1 min 25 - no fade/judder
- silverstone in 1 min 9 - no fade/judder
And they are good enough to drive to the shops with and stop for the granny crossing the road.
You can spend more if you want, but I wont be - there is no need.
I dont know how you can doubt it personally.
I have done:
- nurburgring in 8 min range on them - no fade/judder
- snetterton in 1 min 25 - no fade/judder
- silverstone in 1 min 9 - no fade/judder
And they are good enough to drive to the shops with and stop for the granny crossing the road.
You can spend more if you want, but I wont be - there is no need.
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20 June 2007, 02:24 PM
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dont just take my word for it:
Hey everyone, i thought this might make for some interesting reading for you guys.
http://www.envyperformance.com/pdf/PFMLRApr07.pdf
The test was conducted by the MLR club and was part of there quest to test the best products avilable for their EVO 9 project car.
The test was carried out at Bruntingthorpe and consisted of 3 100-0mph stops per lap, in "x"amount lap stints.
So 1st off, 3 lap stint consisting of 3 stops from 100-0mph per lap, then into the pits for 5 mins to check pressures, temps etc...then back out for 4 laps consisting 3 100-0mph stops per lap, again back into the pits for 5 mins....then back out for a final 5 laps with 3 100-0mph stops per lap.
The whole test consisted of 36 grueling 100-0mph stops.
We recorded consistent times every single run of 100-0mph in 3.2 secs, and stopping distance of 270-275 feet.
Compared it back to a test that involved the AP Racing and Alcon big brake kits in their previous issue, which recorde average stopping times of 4.2 secs and 330 feet distances.....we were pretty happy with the outcome.
Dan.
http://www.envyperformance.com/pdf/PFMLRApr07.pdf
The test was conducted by the MLR club and was part of there quest to test the best products avilable for their EVO 9 project car.
The test was carried out at Bruntingthorpe and consisted of 3 100-0mph stops per lap, in "x"amount lap stints.
So 1st off, 3 lap stint consisting of 3 stops from 100-0mph per lap, then into the pits for 5 mins to check pressures, temps etc...then back out for 4 laps consisting 3 100-0mph stops per lap, again back into the pits for 5 mins....then back out for a final 5 laps with 3 100-0mph stops per lap.
The whole test consisted of 36 grueling 100-0mph stops.
We recorded consistent times every single run of 100-0mph in 3.2 secs, and stopping distance of 270-275 feet.
Compared it back to a test that involved the AP Racing and Alcon big brake kits in their previous issue, which recorde average stopping times of 4.2 secs and 330 feet distances.....we were pretty happy with the outcome.
Dan.
20 June 2007, 02:47 PM
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They do make pads for AP calipers, i had some in on my old AP set-up.
I had the 97 compound, great pad.
I think also you have to look at a lot of top end teams in series around the world use them as well....its a race product that is now filtering down to the road.
The EVO guys rave about them like p1doc has mentioned.....which compound pad you are using Dynamix?
Regarding the website hype, all those fancy terms do sound impressive when you read and suppose if i had/owned a product that good, then i would use all the marketing hype to back it up also, haha.
I dont mind companies marketing that way as long as the product works...its when you get products marketed fantastically, but the product is actually pretty poor, that gets my goat.
Can you remember when EBC launched their range of pads, green stuff, red stuff, rainbow stuff etc....i thought cool, these sound amazing.....tried all the colours and not one of them was any good on track!
I suppose you could email and ask them what the materials are made out of.
I had the 97 compound, great pad.
I think also you have to look at a lot of top end teams in series around the world use them as well....its a race product that is now filtering down to the road.
The EVO guys rave about them like p1doc has mentioned.....which compound pad you are using Dynamix?
Regarding the website hype, all those fancy terms do sound impressive when you read and suppose if i had/owned a product that good, then i would use all the marketing hype to back it up also, haha.
I dont mind companies marketing that way as long as the product works...its when you get products marketed fantastically, but the product is actually pretty poor, that gets my goat.
Can you remember when EBC launched their range of pads, green stuff, red stuff, rainbow stuff etc....i thought cool, these sound amazing.....tried all the colours and not one of them was any good on track!
I suppose you could email and ask them what the materials are made out of.
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Good article and a compelling case, I'm convinced, thanks for finding this. My doubt was based on lack of personal experience, and you must admit the way it is marketed will rouse curiosity.
When they market pads for the AP 5570 caliper I think I'll give them a try. I have noted their American website is adamant that discs must be refaced if previously used on another manufacturers pad. I understand the reasons why but wouldn't a clean up with emery paper do?
When they market pads for the AP 5570 caliper I think I'll give them a try. I have noted their American website is adamant that discs must be refaced if previously used on another manufacturers pad. I understand the reasons why but wouldn't a clean up with emery paper do?
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20 June 2007, 03:45 PM
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Doh just realised its Carbontech not PF that insist on the refacing. My Pagid blues are fairly new so it'll be a little while before I'm in a position to try PF. I suspect Alyn will be selling them by then.
Cheers, Diccy.
Cheers, Diccy.
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I'd be careful about running the 97 compound if you fussy about paint work.
I've run them on the Clio and the 944, and the dust is mega corrosive.
If you run them as an everyday pad, you'd best budget for a wheel refurb AND some T cut.
However they are fantastic pads.
I've run them on the Clio and the 944, and the dust is mega corrosive.
If you run them as an everyday pad, you'd best budget for a wheel refurb AND some T cut.
However they are fantastic pads.
25 June 2007, 09:28 AM
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From what i read on the MLR is that the .11's (is it nick named Z Rate or something?) like what Dynamix is using is pretty much dust free.
How do you find them Dynamix?
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The corrosion has something to do with using the pads in the rain.
If you just use them for a dry trackday you will be fine, if you use them daily like I did, then expect to have to refurb your wheels.....or clean more regularly.
If you just use them for a dry trackday you will be fine, if you use them daily like I did, then expect to have to refurb your wheels.....or clean more regularly.
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17 July 2007, 08:01 AM
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I gave these a lot of stick yesterday at Cadwell and they passed with flying colours ... they really suit the car and the Brembo calipers well and give a great feel to the brakes to enable smooth braking.
Thanks Paul @ Zen for recommending them to me
Thanks Paul @ Zen for recommending them to me
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