2 Pots finnaly gone !
12 September 2002, 11:52 AM
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just got my new brakes fitted .. cant wait until they bed in ! 
Old brakes
Dont they look small!
Old & New Rotors!
New Brakes on
With the wheel back on
Old v New
Hi-Spec Monster Billet4 's on 335mm rotors & DS2500 pads.
(and no - they dont fit ! )
Steve
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/12/2002 11:55:20 AM]
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/12/2002 11:58:12 AM]
Old brakes
Dont they look small!
Old & New Rotors!
New Brakes on
With the wheel back on
Old v New
Hi-Spec Monster Billet4 's on 335mm rotors & DS2500 pads.
(and no - they dont fit !
)Steve
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/12/2002 11:55:20 AM]
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/12/2002 11:58:12 AM]
12 September 2002, 01:38 PM
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Steves using spacers! Only about 3mm though
We pretty much worked out he would need between 2-4mm spacers, by using washers.
Theses braces do look
Can't wait to hear how the perform once bedded in
We pretty much worked out he would need between 2-4mm spacers, by using washers.
Theses braces do look
Can't wait to hear how the perform once bedded in
12 September 2002, 11:09 PM
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cheers Dyney mate .. yep dnb am spaced .. but only a bit !
thanks ScoobyK !
the brakes are actually an ALMOST fit .. so the spacing is just to make sure there is a *** packet's space spoke->caliper. (there's actually a couple on mm space now)
will measure the actual thickness .. think it's 2mm.. mayb 2.5m but not alot really.
I spoke to several people before i did it & people like TSL say they have done it loads of times as there is often no otherway.
car doesnt seem to handle any differnt, although I'm taking it REALLY easy at the mo to bed them in properly .. the longer you bed them in - the better they'll be !
but Dyney's right .. they do look very very !!
Rear calipers are now gold to match!
Steve
thanks ScoobyK !
the brakes are actually an ALMOST fit .. so the spacing is just to make sure there is a *** packet's space spoke->caliper. (there's actually a couple on mm space now)
will measure the actual thickness .. think it's 2mm.. mayb 2.5m but not alot really.
I spoke to several people before i did it & people like TSL say they have done it loads of times as there is often no otherway.
car doesnt seem to handle any differnt, although I'm taking it REALLY easy at the mo to bed them in properly .. the longer you bed them in - the better they'll be !
but Dyney's right .. they do look very very
!!Rear calipers are now gold to match!
Steve
14 September 2002, 12:02 AM
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Pavlo - yep .. some nice dual carrage ways on my usual trip - and there is a round-a-bout at the end, so they will get a nice national speedlimit down to not-a-lot ( in as many yards!! )a few times ...
Dan - yep ! they are .. but they will be worth it !
ohh - and i MUST clean my wheels!
Steve
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/14/2002 12:04:58 AM]
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/14/2002 12:05:27 AM]
Dan - yep ! they are .. but they will be worth it !
ohh - and i MUST clean my wheels!
Steve
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/14/2002 12:04:58 AM]
[Edited by ScoobyDuck - 9/14/2002 12:05:27 AM]
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14 September 2002, 03:18 PM
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My brakes need replacing some time in the next few weeks I should think, so I am looking at a kit, or just some 2 pot discs and pads to tide me over till next year.
I would be interested to see how you get on. I was put off the wilwood finally by the lack of dust seals, and reports of the stainless pistons rusting.
So the hispec stuff looks to be the most affordable alternative, but I want something to fit under 16" wheels, and good enough to stop my lardy car on the track.
Paul
I would be interested to see how you get on. I was put off the wilwood finally by the lack of dust seals, and reports of the stainless pistons rusting.
So the hispec stuff looks to be the most affordable alternative, but I want something to fit under 16" wheels, and good enough to stop my lardy car on the track.
Paul
14 September 2002, 04:23 PM
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Paul
I'm in the same boat as you, I narrowed it down to 2 choices given the amount I want to spend - either the Godspeed 308mm 4pots or the HiSpec 310mm monster4. I'm assumming the latter fit under 16" and I haven't made my mind up yet
Justin
I'm in the same boat as you, I narrowed it down to 2 choices given the amount I want to spend - either the Godspeed 308mm 4pots or the HiSpec 310mm monster4. I'm assumming the latter fit under 16" and I haven't made my mind up yet
Justin
14 September 2002, 04:34 PM
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The hispec kit should fit, I think they even do something that uses a 325 disc and slim calipers (no seals) that fits under the 16" wheel.
I have even considered the 300/28 kit, as the price drops considerably, only £500 inc vat, but I definitely am going on track next year, maybe sooner, so whatever I get they must be up to the job.
Possibly a 310/32 disc may help, dunno what HiSpec do in terms of custom stuff these days (they used to do plenty)
Anyone fancy a group buy?
Paul
I have even considered the 300/28 kit, as the price drops considerably, only £500 inc vat, but I definitely am going on track next year, maybe sooner, so whatever I get they must be up to the job.
Possibly a 310/32 disc may help, dunno what HiSpec do in terms of custom stuff these days (they used to do plenty)
Anyone fancy a group buy?
Paul
15 September 2002, 10:03 PM
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well .. only about another 100miles to go till I start a few deep heat cycles!!
cant wait till I can drive properly again ... it was such a pain trying to pace myself at this weekends meet.. nice twisty roads and poor old me having to go as if I'd got a pint of beer on the bonett!
Steve
(still smiling)
cant wait till I can drive properly again ... it was such a pain trying to pace myself at this weekends meet.. nice twisty roads and poor old me having to go as if I'd got a pint of beer on the bonett!
Steve
(still smiling
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15 September 2002, 10:31 PM
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Probably didn't need to be so cautious.
As for group buys I have had 2 other people show interest purely on the strength of the above post. I will look into it, and see what I can come up with.
Paul
As for group buys I have had 2 other people show interest purely on the strength of the above post. I will look into it, and see what I can come up with.
Paul
16 September 2002, 10:02 PM
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reason I wasnt pushing on & being so careful was that I'd only done about 200 miles .. & brake pedal feel wasnt too wonderful.
infact - wasnt very happy - as i was hoping for a bit less travel than that - it was almost half way down at times
anyway - found that if you braked, then braked again pedal would be up high & firm (as it should be!). so decided they needed a bleed.
did that tonight - in almost darkness! and loads of red stuff came out the front - so guessing that was brake grease used on the seals during assembly !?!? - gona phone them tmrw to check this out!
anyway - they are rock solid & braking is now zillions better ! breathe on the middle pedal and things seem to accelerated away from you at an amazing rate ! (not used them in anything like anger yet either!)
Steve
(now alot happier!)
infact - wasnt very happy - as i was hoping for a bit less travel than that - it was almost half way down at times
anyway - found that if you braked, then braked again pedal would be up high & firm (as it should be!). so decided they needed a bleed.
did that tonight - in almost darkness!
and loads of red stuff came out the front - so guessing that was brake grease used on the seals during assembly !?!? - gona phone them tmrw to check this out!anyway - they are rock solid & braking is now zillions better !
breathe on the middle pedal and things seem to accelerated away from you at an amazing rate ! (not used them in anything like anger yet either!)Steve
(now alot happier!
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18 September 2002, 06:24 PM
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Ok .. they're now doing it again ... sometimes pedal goes down alot, next press they're back to the top & rock solid !
not having fun now... as they're beded in & had a few nice heat cycles into them , but pressing the pedal and finding nothing for half the travel 'aint fun !!
Steve
18 September 2002, 08:57 PM
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bleeding is best done with 4 (yes four) people if you don't have the correct tools, one on the pedel, one on the master cylinder, and one each on 2 diagonally apposed brakes. As you need to bleed front and back together, and the are linked diagonally.
Best way is to bleed both ways, down (normal) then up (connect pressurised fluid containers to the calipers) to force air in the pipe system up to the master cylinder.
I think I'm just going to get a kwik-fit place to do it, or travel to Hispec or whatever.
paul
Best way is to bleed both ways, down (normal) then up (connect pressurised fluid containers to the calipers) to force air in the pipe system up to the master cylinder.
I think I'm just going to get a kwik-fit place to do it, or travel to Hispec or whatever.
paul
18 September 2002, 09:11 PM
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Paul,
well i DID go to Hi-Spec (gona ring them tmrw) but I thought the front & back are seperate circuits - not diagonal ?
I know bleeding can be a pain, coz you need to presurise the system (usually pumping) & i did get some red gunk out, which is stuff used in making / assembly.. so am thinking that there might be some more I didnt push out (it was dark!!)
anyway .. need to see what Hi-Spec say, as at the mo, when the pedals up - they are good - but when the pedal dissapears , it's terrifying! so I aint pushing them AT-ALL at the mo .. not even done a proper stop .. just incase!
Steve
well i DID go to Hi-Spec (gona ring them tmrw) but I thought the front & back are seperate circuits - not diagonal ?
I know bleeding can be a pain, coz you need to presurise the system (usually pumping) & i did get some red gunk out, which is stuff used in making / assembly.. so am thinking that there might be some more I didnt push out (it was dark!!)
anyway .. need to see what Hi-Spec say, as at the mo, when the pedals up - they are good - but when the pedal dissapears , it's terrifying! so I aint pushing them AT-ALL at the mo .. not even done a proper stop .. just incase!
Steve
19 September 2002, 12:16 AM
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Maybe its a really stupid question... Why do the people making the kits, not make them in such a way that spacers are not required. Surely there is plenty of room to move the caliper and disc inwards to allow for virtually any wheel. Spacers just seem like a very rough fix that should not be necessary. I remember a post form someone ages ago about the Movit brakes, and that he needed somehting crazy like 20mm spacer to get a wheel on. WTF ?? Thats dangerous.
What is the problem with the suppliers of the kits that they cant make them fit without spacers??? ( dont give me the all wheels are different ****, as that could be allowed for when designing it. )
What is the problem with the suppliers of the kits that they cant make them fit without spacers??? ( dont give me the all wheels are different ****, as that could be allowed for when designing it. )
19 September 2002, 09:16 AM
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What was the cost of these please if yuo dont mind me asking as their internet site has the wrong prices on for the Monster Billet 4!!!
Not very impressed as they wouldn't give me the internet published prices ....
Not very impressed as they wouldn't give me the internet published prices ....
19 September 2002, 09:56 AM
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they wouldn't? you mean Hispec?
Bollox to that.
Stevie, the problem I beleive can stem from not being able to move the disc inboard enough due to the steering arm on the hub. But with 28mm discs I wouldn't have thought it a problem.
Paul
[Edited by Pavlo - 9/19/2002 9:57:42 AM]
Bollox to that.
Stevie, the problem I beleive can stem from not being able to move the disc inboard enough due to the steering arm on the hub. But with 28mm discs I wouldn't have thought it a problem.
Paul
[Edited by Pavlo - 9/19/2002 9:57:42 AM]
19 September 2002, 10:12 AM
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Yeah Pavlo, Hi Spec, it may well be a good product but I'm not impressed with them as a company if they can't even get their pricing right and honour it !!! All I got was an apology. THANKS HI-SPEC.
19 September 2002, 11:58 AM
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humm.. I thought the pricing WAS correct ! it was 840 for the kit, which was disks&caplipers. that is +VAT .. so with pads & braided lines it works out about £1100...
coz I was looking at the website when i was on the phone asking /& ordering mine!
As for spacers .. it's just the wheel I have. for some stupid reason, Prodrive put the SpeedLine's on which have a VERY straight spoke .. so it hits. nearly any other 17" wheel WILL fit!
as for the Movits, that was MARKUS. and yep, he had to space it LOADS & have wheel bolts extended etc etc.... but then they are off a Porchse or something .. so not really designed to fit!
Pavlo is right .. its the steering arm that gets in the way. as it is with this size disk, you have to take the stonegard/backing plate off.
Steve
coz I was looking at the website when i was on the phone asking /& ordering mine!
As for spacers .. it's just the wheel I have. for some stupid reason, Prodrive put the SpeedLine's on which have a VERY straight spoke .. so it hits. nearly any other 17" wheel WILL fit!
as for the Movits, that was MARKUS. and yep, he had to space it LOADS & have wheel bolts extended etc etc.... but then they are off a Porchse or something .. so not really designed to fit!
Pavlo is right .. its the steering arm that gets in the way. as it is with this size disk, you have to take the stonegard/backing plate off.
Steve
19 September 2002, 12:27 PM
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Text from pricing box as lifted from Hi-Spec website - still not corrected!!!
300 / 28 BILLET 4 HSB424RD 15" 420.00 EXCLUDING VAT 493.50 RRP
310 / 28 BILLET 4 HSB428RD 16" 595.00 EXCL VAT 699.13 RRP
310 / 28 MONSTER BILLET 4 HSM428RD 16" 625.00 EXCL VAT 734.38 RRP
335 / 32 MONSTER BILLET 4 HSM432RD 17" 840.00 EXCL VAT 987.00 RRP
335 / 32 MONSTER BILLET 6 HSM630RD 17" 945.00 EXCL VAT 000 (???) RRP
I enquired about the 310 / 28 MONSTER BILLET 4 HSM428RD to be told the price was £735 PLUS VAT whereas the web clearly states 625.00 +VAT.
Bit of a difference, not impressed!
300 / 28 BILLET 4 HSB424RD 15" 420.00 EXCLUDING VAT 493.50 RRP
310 / 28 BILLET 4 HSB428RD 16" 595.00 EXCL VAT 699.13 RRP
310 / 28 MONSTER BILLET 4 HSM428RD 16" 625.00 EXCL VAT 734.38 RRP
335 / 32 MONSTER BILLET 4 HSM432RD 17" 840.00 EXCL VAT 987.00 RRP
335 / 32 MONSTER BILLET 6 HSM630RD 17" 945.00 EXCL VAT 000 (???) RRP
I enquired about the 310 / 28 MONSTER BILLET 4 HSM428RD to be told the price was £735 PLUS VAT whereas the web clearly states 625.00 +VAT.
Bit of a difference, not impressed!
19 September 2002, 02:29 PM
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ahh... well the other one for 335/32 4's are correct.
the same should apply as to a shop - if it's on the shelf marked up as that .. then they have to sell them for that.
remember all the stuff about those cameras mis-priced on line - they HAD to sell them for that !!!
Steve
the same should apply as to a shop - if it's on the shelf marked up as that .. then they have to sell them for that.
remember all the stuff about those cameras mis-priced on line - they HAD to sell them for that !!!
Steve
19 September 2002, 02:43 PM
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sorry, the price is a guide for you to make an offer.
The seller decides whether or not to sell at that price, then takes your payment, thereby entering the contract of sale. If they agree to the price and take your money, then the deal is done, and they can't up the price.
Paul
The seller decides whether or not to sell at that price, then takes your payment, thereby entering the contract of sale. If they agree to the price and take your money, then the deal is done, and they can't up the price.
Paul
19 September 2002, 03:14 PM
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I have been trying to speak to Jeff for 3 days now, I've sent emails, phoned, phoned, phoned.
they really need to sort it out, or I might just buy the wilwoods anyway, and put up with servicing them regularly.
Paul
they really need to sort it out, or I might just buy the wilwoods anyway, and put up with servicing them regularly.
Paul