GTBGUY

I just visited the guys @ iON Performance locally. They have P1 replica wheels. The follow are the details:

Subaru friendly

Size : 17 x 7.5
Offset : +48mm
Centre Bore : 56.1mm
Weight : 18.79lbs

Here are some pictures I snapp'd while I was there.

Silver

Steel Grey



Gold


Bronze


I was told they are only $525US+shipping (~359GBP + shipping) that's less than 1/2 the cost of the real P1 !

If you guys want more info, best to send the guys @ iON an email : info@ionperformance.com

[Edited by GTBGUY - 6/10/2002 11:24:08 PM]

GTBGUY

I'm surprised no one's interested!

These are very nice wheels for the money. Won't have to worry about curbing one of these

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I think the P1 OZ alloys weigh in about 7kg (15ish lbs) so are lighter than these, also without tyre i think they cost 200 quid each but if you look in the for sale section you may get a set cheaper with tyres fitted

Tony

Mr.Manchester

id rather have a P1 wheel because its OE stuff, i wouldnt buy a replica wheel and put it on a performance car just incase they are not as well made.
You dont want to hit a pot hole and crack one do you?

Hong Kong Phooey

Good point Mr M.
GTBGUY, who makes these? Are they Rota? I've read about their replica P1's and they seem to be a well known in your side of the world. Does anyone supply these in the UK?

dsmawd

Yes, these are Rotas. They are very strong in their own right, but I won't say that they are as strong or stronger than the P1s.

FWIW, the 17x7" P1 weighs in at ~19.5 lbs.

- Trent

Hong Kong Phooey

Tony, for the money these seem good value @ c.£360 (don't know about VAT + p&p), add say new Toyos @ c.£300 and you'd have new boots for £660 from a dealer cf second hand P1's with worn tyres from joe bloggs for similar price?
Only a thought, cause I'm cautious about buying over the internet from an individual (difficulty is I'm in N.Ireland so couldn't get to see wheels first hand if buying from a scoobynetter in mainland)
BTW,is there a method for making sure you don't get ripped off if buying from an individual?

Hoppy

I have P1 wheels and they are not like these. Mine have OZ Racing and Prodrive written on them, and are ET52. I suspect these are not the only differences

Richard.

Hong Kong Phooey

If these are made by Rota, why would they have OZ on them? As far as I see these are a P1 look-a-like.
What is this effect of the different offset? Does this just mean you can't put on bigger brakes?

Hoppy

Sorry, that was a sarcastic post from me above. What I meant to say was that while they may look like P1 wheels that doesn't mean they are of the same quality.

The problem with the ET48 off-set is that it can cause rubbing of the rear arches, but not always.

Regards,

Richard.

Tigertim

They sound great, are they in 17" only or do they come in 18" as well?

What is their website address or e-mail?

dsmawd

Tim, this style only comes in 17" I believe, but Rota has other styles available in 18". FWIW, I believe that these wheels (Tarmacs) have clearance issues with big brakes, including Subaru 4-pots. Here are some links to the vendors in the US that are selling them, I don't know of anyone in the UK, but they might be out there.

http://forums.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198686

http://forums.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188487

http://forums.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198513
Rota Battles:




Rota Attacks 15.5 lbs.:



Rota Sub Zeros 16.5 lbs.:


They appear to be a pretty quality wheel. No complaints and a TON of guys in the US are running these wheels.

- Trent

[Edited by dsmawd - 6/14/2002 5:35:16 PM]

[Edited by dsmawd - 6/14/2002 5:36:25 PM]

Tigertim

Great, cool, fantastic.
They look great and the yanks do know about quality!

Will they export, i think that you said they will?

Just fed up of being ripped off in this country for Scooby wheels.
Why should we pay double for a set of Impreza wheels when they are the same as an Audi or BMW!
Prodrive prices are a ripp off!

Thanks for your help.

I wounder if there is a markey for these in the UK.
I have some money i can use to bring some sets over.

Any Interests or takers?

Hong Kong Phooey

Trent,
what brakes are on the my01/02 cars in the pics with the Tarmacs (P1 type wheels)?

Tigertim, what would shipping costs be like?

Hong Kong Phooey

Just noticed ALL the 17" and 18" wheels on Scoobysport's website are ET48.
How much of a problem with clearence can this be?

dsmawd

HKP, those are USDM WRXs, we get the same 294mm rotors, but we still get stuck with the 2 pot sliding calipers, not the 4 pots. The Sub Zeros pictured will clear 4 pots and the 328mm Stoptech (USA vendor, calipers are Brembo copies, IIRC) for sure, so I would imagine that they would clear the AP kits and possibly the Alcon, too. Not sure about clearance with the Attacks or Battles.

- Trent

edit - the clearance issues are due to lack of space behind the spokes of the wheel. Spacers *may* fix the problem, if you choose to go that route.

The Tarmacs = P1 replicas
Attacks = Volk Gram Light replicas
Battles = Advan Model 5 replicas
Sub Zero = Racing Hart CP-035 replicas

[Edited by dsmawd - 6/14/2002 7:32:57 PM]

Hong Kong Phooey

Cheers Trent.
I've a UK MY99 with std 4pots - shame the Tarmacs won't fit without spacers - they're the ones I liked for the price cf OZ P1's

Hong Kong Phooey

Anyone know what the ET is on std UK MY99 5-spokes?

dsmawd

HKP, it is +53mm, the lower offset of the Rota should help, in this case, just not enough.

- Trent

GTBGUY

I'm surprised to see the reponse now

Anyways, the standard P1 wheel 17x7" w/ +51mm or +52mm offset.

These Rota Tarmacs are 17x7.5" w/ +48mm offset.

For the GC8 guys, running the 215/40/17 will be fine w/o rubbing issues (BD/BG Legacys have tighter rear quarters than GC8 and no troubles w/ that tiresize for rubbing)

iON Performance does export. Their email is info@ionperformance.com

Good luck guys!

GTBGUY

Tigertim - contact the guys @ iON Performance - info@ionperformance.com they should be able to work out shipping etc details with you. Air/Sea freight would probably be cheapest.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

To be honest with you, if it wasnt a name i knew and trusted (OZ, Speedline etc) then i wouldnt buy em, i know for a fact that the wheels on my car are good (PD7's) and have been approved for sale by IM. (so if anything goes wrong i can sue em )
All you have to remember is 2 things, your tyres have to be good and your wheels have to be strong (we dont want any audi RS4 problems now do we?! ) and just think of how these alloys are tested first (dont know if any of you watched that programme about replica stuff inc the alloy wheels, they just crumbled when put to the test! ) so just becareful what you buy!

Tony

JonW

FWIW these are not full copies of the P1 wheel as the centre (where the bolts are) is different, perhaps theyve done this to avoid copyright infringement.

Look to be good copies if you like the cheap price, I would personally get second hand OZs in the UK as we have a ready supply of these on Scoobynet each week, and none of the copies. If I was in the US Id buy the copies...

Jon.

Tigertim

First of all, i think that you will find a lot of the repica wheels to be the same or better quality than some OE wheels.
OZ are NOT OE, they are an after market wheel that have been adapted from existing wheels to fit certain cars.

Running different offset from OE, like ET48 instead of ET52/53 can ruin a cars performance.
Why do you think a car manufacturer spends so long or wheel and tyre packages and ride and handling development!
ET 48 is wrong!!
The car will white line, could hit the arches, maybe only noticable when 4 in car, and not be as good at handling as a car with the right wheels on.
Scooby Sport have always run ET48 because that was all the could with bigger brakes, and that was the maximum offset the wheel manufacturer could produce.
I know, i asked Prodrive!
And that is what they told me, i think that they would know!

Hong Kong Phooey

Tigertim,
if ET48 is "wrong" why would a scooby specialist supply them and quote on their website that 48 offers the best clearance and steering geometry setup?
only asking cause I haven't got a clue about this ET thing!

GTBGUY

Tigertim - ET is a function of the width of the wheel as well. If you notice the trend of ET's on Subaru OE wheels, you can deduce that +48mm offset is really close to the "ideal" ET set by Subaru.

OE Subaru 16x6.5" wheel = +55mm
OE Subaru 16x7.0" wheel = +53mm
OE Subaru 17X7.0" wheel = +53mm

Aftermarket 17x7.5" wheel = +48mm offset.

The 'ideal' offset would probably be +51mm, however this will limit the types of brakes you could run do to the "x-factor" (clearance for the caliper to wheel).

As well, many GC8 owners running the 17x7.5" w/+48mm offset on 215/40/17's do not rub their fender or struts. (even after lowering the car). A wheel's width doesn't necessary indicate rubbing, it's the choice of rubber and it's actual width that'll determine the rubbing.

Tigertim

I am just quoting what Prodrive say, and they should know!
I understand what you are saying, and as said before, Scooby Sport purley offer ET48 because they cannot afford to have a wheels designed to go around bigger brakes.
Nothing wrong with that, just their way.
Not ideal, i spoke to Prodrive again today to try to clear this up and they yet again said the wheels must be over ET51/52 to get the best out of the car and chasis.
They then said which i thought was a bit off, "That is why Scooby Sport work out of a small dirty unit in Basildon and we work out of state of the art purpose built buildings"
One runs a garage, the other does the World Rally cars and special editions for Subaru Japan.
Bit off, but they do have a point!

Tigertim

Wey hey!!

Found a guy who sells the Speedline GT1 light weight version and can fit for £1100 inc vat, wheel nuts, etc and may deliver them!!
He is in Holland but did say that he comes over once or twice a month and so can deliver!!

Anyone interested?
I have ordered 1 set at that price!
They are for Old and new Impreza, tyre sizes are different, 225/40R18 for the new car and 225/35R18 for the old car.
Will come with Bridgestones, Pirelli or Good year.
What prefernce have you guys?
Let me know who wants some and i will try to get volume discount!!

etam

I want I want...

actually, tarmac (p1 replica) will fit over subaru 4pots.



and these wheels are made in asia not in American

[Edited by etam - 6/20/2002 10:03:44 PM]

[Edited by etam - 6/20/2002 10:04:57 PM]

SCOOBERATORS

Naahh sorry, people might think im picky but i like the original parts for my cars.
These are quite smart wheels but i dont think there an option for replacment in time for P1 wheels. (OZ are top quality wheels)