KW Clubsport 2 way settings on a Newage
18 October 2021, 10:33 AM
#1
KW Clubsport 2 way settings on a Newage
Hi Folks,
just wondering if anyone has a set of KW clubsports 2 way on a newage.
Just purchased some and was wondering what settings you have.
I have set them up with the factory starting point but the roads near me are absolutely sh1te and they feel all over the place.
if anyone could give me a few pointers I'd be grateful.
car is a 600bhp Hawkeye BTW.
just wondering if anyone has a set of KW clubsports 2 way on a newage.
Just purchased some and was wondering what settings you have.
I have set them up with the factory starting point but the roads near me are absolutely sh1te and they feel all over the place.
if anyone could give me a few pointers I'd be grateful.
car is a 600bhp Hawkeye BTW.
18 October 2021, 11:02 AM
#2
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harry007 has them, think TDR set them up
18 October 2021, 11:49 AM
#4
My Abarth 500 was fitted with KW v3 and they bottomed out at the max height.
After a good friend of mine opened them up and removed their internal spacers and changed the wrong front springs that they came out of the factory from, I raised the car and it was sublime, it ironed out everything!
After a good friend of mine opened them up and removed their internal spacers and changed the wrong front springs that they came out of the factory from, I raised the car and it was sublime, it ironed out everything!
19 October 2021, 12:49 PM
#5
I'm just looking for a starting point.
When I have the time I'll I'm going to book it in somewhere for a full and complete alignment and fast road setup.
At the minute the KWs are a disappointment as they're a bit bouncy and crashy for want of better terms but I'm certain that's just down to set up.
What I was hoping was that someone has already done this and would be willing to share bump and rebound settings. That would atleast be a good place to start.
When I have the time I'll I'm going to book it in somewhere for a full and complete alignment and fast road setup.
At the minute the KWs are a disappointment as they're a bit bouncy and crashy for want of better terms but I'm certain that's just down to set up.
What I was hoping was that someone has already done this and would be willing to share bump and rebound settings. That would atleast be a good place to start.
19 October 2021, 04:14 PM
#6
If the Clubsport still use 9kg front 6kg rear, then you'll never get it settled on undulating/uneven B-roads.
It will be suffering from pitch, (front spring too stiff in relation to the rear) - the front constantly kicking up and the rear constantly being knocked down. If you use the damping to constrain the pitch problem, then the damping will be inadequate in other areas.
Overly stiff springs, for road use, will need smaller bars.
If they are still using 50mm bump stops, and you're too low on the ride heights? You may be constantly engaging the bump stops?
Settings-wise: John Felstead had Clubsports 10 years ago - he's still active on the type ra forum.
It will be suffering from pitch, (front spring too stiff in relation to the rear) - the front constantly kicking up and the rear constantly being knocked down. If you use the damping to constrain the pitch problem, then the damping will be inadequate in other areas.
Overly stiff springs, for road use, will need smaller bars.
If they are still using 50mm bump stops, and you're too low on the ride heights? You may be constantly engaging the bump stops?
Settings-wise: John Felstead had Clubsports 10 years ago - he's still active on the type ra forum.
19 October 2021, 08:25 PM
#7
If the Clubsport still use 9kg front 6kg rear, then you'll never get it settled on undulating/uneven B-roads.
It will be suffering from pitch, (front spring too stiff in relation to the rear) - the front constantly kicking up and the rear constantly being knocked down. If you use the damping to constrain the pitch problem, then the damping will be inadequate in other areas.
Overly stiff springs, for road use, will need smaller bars.
If they are still using 50mm bump stops, and you're too low on the ride heights? You may be constantly engaging the bump stops?
Settings-wise: John Felstead had Clubsports 10 years ago - he's still active on the type ra forum.
It will be suffering from pitch, (front spring too stiff in relation to the rear) - the front constantly kicking up and the rear constantly being knocked down. If you use the damping to constrain the pitch problem, then the damping will be inadequate in other areas.
Overly stiff springs, for road use, will need smaller bars.
If they are still using 50mm bump stops, and you're too low on the ride heights? You may be constantly engaging the bump stops?
Settings-wise: John Felstead had Clubsports 10 years ago - he's still active on the type ra forum.
345mm front wheel centre to arch and 360mm on the rears.
I currently have the standard bars on the car still.
I'd forgotten about John, I'll send him a pm
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19 October 2021, 08:52 PM
#8
345mm front ride height is very low, depending on the durometer/length of the bump stop,
Check the front bump stop to damper gap at static ride height.
345mm with a 50mm bump stop on a stock sti damper - you would be riding on the bump stop, with limited bump travel.
Check the front bump stop to damper gap at static ride height.
345mm with a 50mm bump stop on a stock sti damper - you would be riding on the bump stop, with limited bump travel.
Last edited by 2pot; 19 October 2021 at 08:57 PM.
20 October 2021, 10:14 AM
#10
If it was a front oem sti suspension, at 355mm, with a 50mm (oem is 60mm) bump stop, you'd still only have 10mm bump stop clearance. I'd measure what you have with the KW's, just to eliminate a potential issue.
Last edited by 2pot; 20 October 2021 at 10:21 AM.
17 November 2021, 12:17 AM
#11
If the Clubsport still use 9kg front 6kg rear, then you'll never get it settled on undulating/uneven B-roads.
It will be suffering from pitch, (front spring too stiff in relation to the rear) - the front constantly kicking up and the rear constantly being knocked down. If you use the damping to constrain the pitch problem, then the damping will be inadequate in other areas.
Overly stiff springs, for road use, will need smaller bars.
If they are still using 50mm bump stops, and you're too low on the ride heights? You may be constantly engaging the bump stops?
Settings-wise: John Felstead had Clubsports 10 years ago - he's still active on the type ra forum.
It will be suffering from pitch, (front spring too stiff in relation to the rear) - the front constantly kicking up and the rear constantly being knocked down. If you use the damping to constrain the pitch problem, then the damping will be inadequate in other areas.
Overly stiff springs, for road use, will need smaller bars.
If they are still using 50mm bump stops, and you're too low on the ride heights? You may be constantly engaging the bump stops?
Settings-wise: John Felstead had Clubsports 10 years ago - he's still active on the type ra forum.
The V3 kit used softer springs front (80N/mm and a rising rate rear 34-41N/mm), are you confusing the two?
I tried going softer for a while on my kit to 80N/mm front, 54N/mm rear , didn't work on sprints and although it gave a softer ride on the road, was a backwards move overall.
I ended up going stiffer on spring rate than the original spec front and rear, worked a treat, won the championship, still worked well on the road.
I used to change the ARB's and damper settings depending on the event and the roads i was driving on. Only one i got wrong was Kames, i underestimated how grippy it was having never been there before, i took the soft set off and put the stiffest set i had on after the first run, even though it was raining and i was on rally slicks. Massive grip there.
One of the good things about the KW Clubsport kit is the available stroke, especially at the rear, you have a lot more droop than most coilovers, so you can really push the car hard on the brakes, which is where i gained a lot of time over the competition.
Last edited by johnfelstead; 17 November 2021 at 12:19 AM.
17 November 2021, 10:25 AM
#12
Yes - droop travel 
With a 90N/mm front, a 80N/mm rear (with less rear bar) would ensure the suspension self-settles, meaning less damping required (less heat build-up/wear).
I'm not sure I'd have talent to control those spring rates on the road though.
With a 90N/mm front, a 80N/mm rear (with less rear bar) would ensure the suspension self-settles, meaning less damping required (less heat build-up/wear).
I'm not sure I'd have talent to control those spring rates on the road though.
Last edited by 2pot; 17 November 2021 at 10:27 AM.
26 November 2021, 10:08 AM
#13
Compared to the rear droop (say 100mm): do you consider there is an upside, or downside, to running more, less or the same droop at the front?
Last edited by 2pot; 26 November 2021 at 10:16 AM.
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