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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 04:40 PM
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Any ideas on this please guys?




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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 04:46 PM
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What am I supposed to be looking for?
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 04:47 PM
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Burst shock I'm afraid.
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 04:51 PM
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Ah yes, I'm with you now. Agreed.
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 05:37 PM
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Burst shock I'm afraid.
My thoughts but the trader i purchased them from says it cant be as gas filled.
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 05:42 PM
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My thoughts but the trader i purchased them from says it cant be as gas filled.
hahahahahaha. No such thing as a purely gas filled shock. The trader is a tool. The shock will be oil filled and gas assisted.

"Many shock absorbers contain pressurized nitrogen gas in them as well as the hydraulic oil. If a shock has to react very rapidly to an up and down motion the hydraulic oil can start to foam. This foam causes the shock to lose some of its control. The purpose of the gas in the shock is to keep the oil under pressure so it is less likely to foam. This is the same reason a can of soda that has been shaken is still a liquid until you pop the top. The foam doesn’t start until the pressure is released."
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 05:44 PM
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I have gas only shocks for my 63 beetle, but they are called air sleeves and require pressurised air to be pumped via a compressor into the sleeve which makes the car go up and down in height. The air in this case is the only form of damping as it is compressed.

Other gas shocks as mentioned above will be oil and gas, not just gas.
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rsjohn
My thoughts but the trader i purchased them from says it cant be as gas filled.
Second-hand inverted dampers?

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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 09:44 PM
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Second-hand inverted dampers?
yes.
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 10:12 PM
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The other possibility is the bump stop is destroyed, through age and heat cycling. What's left of the stop, forms a seal around the base of the cartridge. Then, as the damper goes up and down, it sucks out the oil, like a pump.

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time for a shock/spring package
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by pjarvis6666
time for a shock/spring package
Bought these 2-3 weeks ago from a trader.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 11:12 AM
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Took me a while and lots of money to realise that there is too much over priced sh!te being sold by ‘traders’ unfortunately.

”sorry mate, parts are used, can’t help you”

Just my experience.

I only by new parts now unless I can fully test the bits I’m interested in, funny how people change when you start asking questions

good luck.

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Sadly, Buy cheap, buy twice.
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
Sadly, Buy cheap, buy twice.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
hahahahahaha. No such thing as a purely gas filled shock. The trader is a tool. The shock will be oil filled and gas assisted.

"Many shock absorbers contain pressurized nitrogen gas in them as well as the hydraulic oil. If a shock has to react very rapidly to an up and down motion the hydraulic oil can start to foam. This foam causes the shock to lose some of its control. The purpose of the gas in the shock is to keep the oil under pressure so it is less likely to foam. This is the same reason a can of soda that has been shaken is still a liquid until you pop the top. The foam doesn’t start until the pressure is released."
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Has anyone got a pair of knackered, INVERTED (nut at the base), rear housings: wrx saloon/wagon or sti - no springs or top mounts.
I know I can fit Koni inserts, but I'm investigating Bilstein inserts.
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
Sadly, Buy cheap, buy twice.
I needed to remove the coilovers as i though 1 was bent so i had to buy a complete set and from a trader i presumed all would be ok.

Turns out coilovers are ok as issue is still there with the standard shocks fitted.
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Originally Posted by rsjohn
Bought these 2-3 weeks ago from a trader.
Oh No!!!
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rsjohn
I needed to remove the coilovers as i though 1 was bent so i had to buy a complete set and from a trader i presumed all would be ok.

Turns out coilovers are ok as issue is still there with the standard shocks fitted.
Yep, I'd certainly seek your money back from the trader. Those units are junk.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
Yep, I'd certainly seek your money back from the trader. Those units are junk.
Iv been asked to clean them off and then check after a few miles - only done 30-40 since i fitted anyway, so will do as hes asked.
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Originally Posted by rsjohn
Iv been asked to clean them off and then check after a few miles - only done 30-40 since i fitted anyway, so will do as hes asked.
Why? You can clearly see the drip of oil on the bottom and where they have emptied their guts over your car. Does he want to see when it's finally out of oil or something?
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
Why? You can clearly see the drip of oil on the bottom and where they have emptied their guts over your car. Does he want to see when it's finally out of oil or something?
I dont know, if i do what he asks and then oil leak is fresh then surely has to refund me.

I will clean off as asked and take a pic to show clean - i will use it tonight as its a friends birthday so going to see her and see how it is tomorrow as will have done 25-30 miles.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rsjohn
I dont know, if i do what he asks and then oil leak is fresh then surely has to refund me.

I will clean off as asked and take a pic to show clean - i will use it tonight as its a friends birthday so going to see her and see how it is tomorrow as will have done 25-30 miles.
Sounds like he's trying to find an excuse to fob you off and tell you it's not the shock. You've already got that pic clearly showing it leaked. Don't take no for an answer.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 03:10 PM
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remember, this is the same seller that told you there was no oil inside gas shocks.


hahahahahahaha
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 03:55 PM
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What's the problem you've found is still there after changing the shocks?
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