Little Miss WRX

If you were the referee, how would you handle this?

Situation 1:
A defender has been dismissed from the field of play for the use of foul and abusive language. From the free kick, the ball goes directly into the goal. What should the referee do?

Situation 2:
A player receives permission to leave the field of play. after he does so, he strikes a spectator whilst the ball is in play. What action should the referee take and how is the game restarted?

Situation 3:
A defender takes a goal kick and kicks the ball out of the penalty area. A very strong gust of wind catches the ball and blows it back towards the goal. The defender sees that the ball will go into the goal and parries the ball aside with his hands. What should the referee do?


Answers in a couple of days.

Little Miss WRX

Note: for situation 1, you have to determine whether the free kick is direct or indirect yourself.

lpski1

1: Allow the goal, why wouldnt you ?

2: Send him off, make sure he is escorted by the manager to get changed., make sure the whacked person dont follow him to continue the argy bargy. If it doesnt all start kicking off with fans and all the players on the pitch and the game can be resumed safely, perhaps a drop ball situation, or a goal kick at whatever end the ball was in at the time of you stopping the game.

3.If the defender takes the kick then the goalie is still there, surely he would try and save the ball from the goal ! wouldnt he be behind the defender taking the kick? I guess you would have to yellow card him and award a indirect free kick?

look forward to the answers and probably getting them all completely wrong, lmao.

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

1 - Award the opposing team a free kick from the spot where the original free kick was taken

(or re-take the original free kick)

2. Red card the player and re-start with a drop ball

3. if the defender has replaced the keeper - ie the keeper is off the pitch - do nothing, otherwise send him off and award a penalty.

Or for all off the above you could always drop your shorts and pull a mooney

dharbige

1) Goal kick. If "foul and abusive language" is the only offence, it is not explicitly mentioned in Law 12. The referee can stop play for the infringement, and send the player off, but should award an indirect free kick. If the ball is kicked directly into the goal, without touching another player from either side, it's a goal kick.

2)The referee should stop play, in order to send to player off for violent conduct. (Straight red, btw). He should then award an indirect free kick to the opposing team from the point at which play was stopped.

3)The defender is a prat. If he'd left the ball alone, and let it go into the net, the opposing team would be awarded a corner kick. Instead, the opposing team should be awarded either a penalty, or a direct free kick, depending on whether the ball was handled inside or outside the area. No card should be shown, as he DID NOT prevent a goal by handling the ball.

ash1

iTrader: (2)

S1 - Allow the goal, thats what most incompetent Prem refs would do

S2 - Is that Cantona ?

S3 - If its on video, then sell it to You've been framed for £300 !!

Now give me the next 3 pls.....

Little Miss WRX

Is that everyone or do a couple more want to have a go?
Interesting answers so far.
Are you ready for the answers?

scoobynewboy

1. Allow the goal to stand.

2. Note the players actions and make your recommendations to the relavent footballing authorities and the police.

3. Send him off. He is not the keeper afterall. Of course there may be a rule whereby the player taking the kickout is actually deemed No 1. (i.e the Goalkeeper)

Put me out of my misery here!

[Edited by scoobynewboy - 24/04/2003 10:40:23]

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

yes

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

get on with it!

Little Miss WRX

Patience Sammy my dear.


Now who is obsessed with the **** hmmmm?

[Edited by Little Miss WRX - 24/04/2003 11:35:54]

Little Miss WRX

Situation 1:
A defender has been dismissed from the field of play for the use of foul and abusive language. From the free kick, the ball goes directly into the goal. What should the referee do?

Answer:

Play will have been stopped by the referee for the offence and the player will have been sent off according to Law 12 for using foul and abusive language.
As this offence is not one of the ten penal offences that will result in a direct free kick, then the kick will be indirect.
This if course means that a goal cannot be scored, therefore the goal is disallowed.
A goal kick will then be awarded.
After the match, the referee will then submit a report for the sending off offence to the appropriate authority along with any other sendings off/incidents that may have occurred.

Little Miss WRX

Situation 2:
A player receives permission to leave the field of play. after he does so, he strikes a spectator whilst the ball is in play. What action should the referee take and how is the game restarted?

Answer:
The referee will stop play immediately and do as much as is reasonably possible to halt any more violent conduct by the player and others.
Assuming that the player stops immediately and the spectator does not retaliate, then the player will receive a red card under Law 12 for being guilty of violent conduct.
As neither team have gained an advantage, a free kick cannot be given to either team and the game is restarted with a drop ball at the spot where the ball was at the time play was stopped.
After the match the referee will submit a report to the relevant authority blah, blah.

Little Miss WRX

Situation 3:
A defender takes a goal kick and kicks the ball out of the penalty area. A very strong gust of wind catches the ball and blows it back towards the goal. The defender sees that the ball will go into the goal and parries the ball aside with his hands. What should the referee do?

Answer:
As soon as the referee sees the defender handle the ball the game is stopped.
The defender is an outfield player and is not allowed to handle the ball unlike the goalkeeper (who wisely stood to the side and let it go), so the offence is a handball.
A direct free kick is awarded and seeing as the handball occurred inside the penalty area (apologies for not making it clear in the situation), results in it being a penalty kick.
There was no goal scoring opportunity present so therefore it would not be right to caution, let alone send the player off.
If the player had known the rules, then he would have left the ball to roll into the goal as you are unable to score against yourself directly from a goal kick. A corner kick would have been awarded instead of the penalty that has now resulted from his actions.
The biggest punishment will be the humiliation he will suffer from his team mates, so it would be cruel to administer a card against him aswell.

lpski1

i am now wiser, i can feel my head growing. situation 3: deffo was an eye opener.

thanks for the quiz.

Ciaran

iTrader: (16)

situation 1 is direct its only in direct if its obstruction any other fowl is direct.
situation 2 get the police because its nothing to do with the game
situation 3 send the defender off its a deliberate fowl and give a penalty

dharbige

I'm afraid I disagree with you on situation 2.

Law 3:
If play is stopped by the referee to administer a caution:
the match is restarted by an indirect free kick, to be taken by a player of the opposing team from the place where the ball was located when play was stopped

Little Miss WRX

The section of Law 3 that you are referring to is actually referring to stopping play in order to adminster a caution to player(s) entering and leaving the field of play without permission.

Hope that clears things up for you there?

dharbige

True. However, the same wording is used in Law 4 as well, so it seems to be a general method of restarting play if a caution is administered. This seems to be confirmed by Law 12 (as refered to in situation 1):

An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player, in the opinion of the referee:
...
commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or dismiss a player

[Edited to add:]
P.S. Do I get yellow-carded for arguing with the Ref?



[Edited by dharbige - 4/24/2003 12:47:57 PM]

Little Miss WRX

LOL, you are arguing a valid point through reasoned discussion and not actually showing dissent verbally, so I can't do anything.

I have to nip out for half an hour, but I will see if I can clarify the point to you.

The laws are a tad difficult to interpret at times because of their wording. Good old FIFA eh?

dharbige

You obviously didn't see the offensive gestures I was making in your general direction.

Dunk

iTrader: (1)

Blimey - and people think Rugby is tricky to understand.

D

Little Miss WRX

Damn, I definitely need to petition for video replay then.

Little Miss WRX

Okay, in Law 3, the reference to the restart of play being an indirect free kick comes after the section listing the infringements/sanctions about a player entering and leaving the field without permission.

It follows on that after cautioning the player the game shall be restarted by the following method which is the part you have picked out.

The same applies to Law 4, the section before the restart of play is the infringements/Sanctions for infringements of the Law. It therefore follows as above with Law 3, that a section is needed to state how the game is restarted.


Now, with regards to the situation:


For a free kick to be awarded, an offence must have occurred by a player on an opponent.
In the situation described, a player from one team was at fault, but a third party was involved and it was not on the field of play.
No advantage was gained by either team, so how can you penalise either team? You penalise the player in question which in turn does penalise the team that he or she plays for.
But as no offence occurred on the field of play to that player's opponents then a free kick cannot be given.\
Hence why a drop ball is used to restart the match from the point that the ball was when play was stopped.
UNLESS of course, the ball was out of play when it occurred, then the match is restarted in the way that it would have done anyway, eg, a throw in, goal kick, corner kick etc.

Does that help?

dharbige

Nope. Sorry, it doesn't help. :P

I agree that the sections in Law 3 and Law 4 may not be relevant in this case.

I haven't seen this stated in the rules. In fact, quite the opposite. There are lots of cases where offenses involving a player from only one team results in a free kick to the other team.

For example, in Situation 1 the "Foul and abusive language" may not have been directed at another player, but at a third party, and may even have occurred while the player was not on the field of play. Surely it's the same situation, but just a different offence?

To me Law 12 seems to be unequivocal - if the referee stops play in order to caution or dismiss a player, he should award an indirect free kick to the opposing team. The only question mark in this case is where the kick is taken from.

I conceed that there may be another "guidelines" document that explains FIFA's preferred interpretation of this rule that I haven't looked at, but so far as I can see, there is nothing in the rules about an advantage being gained from an offence, or an offence having to have occured on the field of play, in order for a free kick to be awarded.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, though. And I'm still pleased that I got the other two situations right!

Little Miss WRX

Seen as I am on my Level Two referees course for the next four weeks, I can consult with the Regional branch coach and the training team with regards to what you have said above.

I can't deny that Law 12 itself fails to make it totally clear as to what should be awarded in terms of free kicks/drop ***** etc after an offence has occurred and I will get back to you with what they tell me.

My next class is next Tuesday, so I hope you can wait till then.

Congrats for getting the other two right and the middle one almost right. I take it you have a copy of the Law book?

dharbige

The wonders of the internet...

The Laws Of The Game

My first port of call when arguing with people on this board...

[Edited to add:]
P.S. Don't they have special "Aussie Rules" down under?


[Edited by dharbige - 4/24/2003 4:12:20 PM]

P1 Enthusiast

Nice Try LittleMissWRX, no you still cannot have some Yorkie!

Little Miss WRX

The rules are exactly the same as the English game.

The Law book is actually called "Soccer Rules! - The Official Laws Of The Game 2003 edition" with the Soccer Australia and FIFA logos on it.
Inside it states that "Soccer Australia wishes to thank FIFA for permission to print the Laws of the Game"

It is basically the same as the English Rule book except with Rooball rules stuck in at the back.
Don't ask me what Rooball is, it is a strange Australian thing.

The differences lie between the individual Soccer Districts. I am with Granville and up until this year, they have only allowed a maximum of three substitutes and never had penalty shoot outs. This year they are introducing five substitutes and penalty shoot outs into their tournaments and leagues. There are other minor alterations, but that mainly lies with the individual district league rules.

Little Miss WRX

P1 - you are such a meanie.
However, if you mean Yorkie in the sense of the ex Villa player traitor type personage........ then would you be so kind as to go take a running jump.