So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
#931
a lot of people are talking up the US / Trump
lets not bother with all the food/agriculture (meat pumped with hormones, chicken bleached in chlorine) that would inevitably be part of any reciprocal deal
what about the US privatised healthcare industry (massive in the states btw) do you think access to our NHS will be on the table
do you think that will be part of any negotiations - they are a pretty big lobby group in the US
do you think they would want a part of the NHS pie
what should the UK's response be
#933
not sure what are bargaining response would be
"NO, but we will give your banks access to trade/settle in Euros - oh hold on!!!!! - can we get back to you on that!!!"
#934
I don't understand your level of anger about my viewpoint given that it's not what I would call controversial.
And I don't mean to sound rude but I'm not at all interested in why you feel that way. It's your problem not mine.
#935
presumably you except the benefit of being outside the EU/Customs union is we do trade deals with other countries
a lot of people are talking up the US / Trump
lets not bother with all the food/agriculture (meat pumped with hormones, chicken bleached in chlorine) that would inevitably be part of any reciprocal deal
what about the US privatised healthcare industry (massive in the states btw) do you think access to our NHS will be on the table
do you think that will be part of any negotiations - they are a pretty big lobby group in the US
do you think they would want a part of the NHS pie
what should the UK's response be
a lot of people are talking up the US / Trump
lets not bother with all the food/agriculture (meat pumped with hormones, chicken bleached in chlorine) that would inevitably be part of any reciprocal deal
what about the US privatised healthcare industry (massive in the states btw) do you think access to our NHS will be on the table
do you think that will be part of any negotiations - they are a pretty big lobby group in the US
do you think they would want a part of the NHS pie
what should the UK's response be
I'm not sure I quite understand the question. Privatisation isn't officially on the cards even though many (including myself) believe that it probably is. But what would stop a US company bidding for such a contract right now? And how would giving a US company a NHS contract differ from us giving them to Virgin? (which we have already done btw)
#936
I'm not sure I quite understand the question. Privatisation isn't officially on the cards even though many (including myself) believe that it probably is. But what would stop a US company bidding for such a contract right now? And how would giving a US company a NHS contract differ from us giving them to Virgin? (which we have already done btw)
that is what a free trade agreement does, after all the US can trade with us, as we can trade which every single country on the planet
the question is on what terms
I would suggest the terms they would want would be deleterious to the future of the NHS
As I said in an earlier post - I see a direct line between Brexit and the breakup of the NHS
Especially as May threatened in her speech to create an economy based on the UK becoming a tax haven
Good for London house prices - but not really a model that would provide much north of Birmingham or west of Bristol
#938
Your viewpoint's not controversial, it's silly.
#939
The only way we can compete globally, without the economic protection the EU offers, is to be cheap! At the moment, our labour costs are way too high to compete against the likes of China! To compete with China, we need the workers rights and pay and conditions of China! Time to sends the kids to the pits or the mill to earn their keep! Welcome to 19th.... sorry 21st century Britain!
I don't see problem here , they've endless supplies of much more qualified and able candidates than indigenous
maybe they'll be able teach locals english
( not sure its what your average brexiteer wanted mind you)
#940
i think its pretty obvious our 'in' to get reasonable terms will include giving lots more infrastructure contracts to india /china/africa , along with granting lots 100 thousands student / work visas to their inhabitants
I don't see problem here , they've endless supplies of much more qualified and able candidates than indigenous
maybe they'll be able teach locals english
( not sure its what your average brexiteer wanted mind you)
I don't see problem here , they've endless supplies of much more qualified and able candidates than indigenous
maybe they'll be able teach locals english
( not sure its what your average brexiteer wanted mind you)
#941
they said, almost exclusively, that the India want two things
1. to sell us stuff - (they have little interest in buying from us, maybe whisky and laura Ashley i.e. a few high end bits and bobs)
2. Free movement
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#942
#943
#945
#947
yes the speech reminded me of this
"if you don't give us everything we want i'm a gonna shoot"
interestingly the Germans aren't covering it
http://www.spiegel.de/
apologies some are
they are worried about Banking Jobs to Paris not Frankfurt
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaf...-14687308.html
"if you don't give us everything we want i'm a gonna shoot"
interestingly the Germans aren't covering it
http://www.spiegel.de/
apologies some are
they are worried about Banking Jobs to Paris not Frankfurt
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaf...-14687308.html
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#948
yes the speech reminded me of this
"if you don't give us everything we want i'm a gonna shoot"
interestingly the Germans aren't covering it
http://www.spiegel.de/
apologies some are
they are worried about Banking Jobs to Paris not Frankfurt
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaf...-14687308.html
"if you don't give us everything we want i'm a gonna shoot"
interestingly the Germans aren't covering it
http://www.spiegel.de/
apologies some are
they are worried about Banking Jobs to Paris not Frankfurt
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaf...-14687308.html
FAZ is a typical national newspaper and has an entire Brexit section on their site
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/brexit/
There is plenty of coverage in the German press, although the coverage is from a very different perspective than the British press!
#949
Spiegel is magazine news site, they tend to be a bit slow with news and don't cover a lot of things, but tend to cover things in greater depth.
FAZ is a typical national newspaper and has an entire Brexit section on their site
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/brexit/
There is plenty of coverage in the German press, although the coverage is from a very different perspective than the British press!
FAZ is a typical national newspaper and has an entire Brexit section on their site
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/brexit/
There is plenty of coverage in the German press, although the coverage is from a very different perspective than the British press!
what is the view in Germany, in the press, your work colleagues
#950
Saying that, they are also not totally surprised that the UK is leaving as the UK has never really been seen as being totally committed to EU membership. They also find it quite fascinating that the British press is alowed to print such untruth - or perhaps more that the British public allow it! The German press is strictly regulated about printing the truth - they had an unfortunate incident some time ago when the press was alowed to tell lies!
The general feeling now, is that the UK cannot be given a deal that would make leaving attractive to other countries. Its not that they want to punnish the UK, they just want to protect the EU.
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Simple fact is... we as a nation are not the force we once were, people need to get that into their heads.
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#952
Alaczar must be blumin glad he can afford private health care !
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ain-healthcare
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ain-healthcare
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Alaczar must be blumin glad he can afford private health care !
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ain-healthcare
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ain-healthcare
My mrs step mom passed away over the weekend, between her care and my father in laws care before his death and subsequent funeral expenses... there's nothing left from a few sensible investments and a very nice 4 bed detached in a desirable area, which also included a head mistresses and accountants pensions combined into the pot... soon get's sucked up at £700 a week each.
#954
Basically, that the British are completely crazy for voting for populist politics over common sense! For most Germans, the idea of leaving the EU is inconcievable, particularly a country like the UK who has benefitted greatly from membership - they are very much aware of the benefits of EU membership!
Saying that, they are also not totally surprised that the UK is leaving as the UK has never really been seen as being totally committed to EU membership. They also find it quite fascinating that the British press is alowed to print such untruth - or perhaps more that the British public allow it! The German press is strictly regulated about printing the truth - they had an unfortunate incident some time ago when the press was alowed to tell lies!
The general feeling now, is that the UK cannot be given a deal that would make leaving attractive to other countries. Its not that they want to punnish the UK, they just want to protect the EU.
Saying that, they are also not totally surprised that the UK is leaving as the UK has never really been seen as being totally committed to EU membership. They also find it quite fascinating that the British press is alowed to print such untruth - or perhaps more that the British public allow it! The German press is strictly regulated about printing the truth - they had an unfortunate incident some time ago when the press was alowed to tell lies!
The general feeling now, is that the UK cannot be given a deal that would make leaving attractive to other countries. Its not that they want to punnish the UK, they just want to protect the EU.
And that's the crux of it... which to be fair, is totally understandable. The UK and more importantly the Brexiters were/are totally deluded in thinking otherwise... I mean seriously, I can't think what it is we have to offer that's going to get the UK this fabled good deal, sure we are a reasonably well sized market... but only if we're doing good will we be consuming significant quantities of goods... bad times equal low consumer confidence and poor sales.
Simple fact is... we as a nation are not the force we once were, people need to get that into their heads.
Simple fact is... we as a nation are not the force we once were, people need to get that into their heads.
anyway what is absolutely certain is that when we don't get a better deal that we have
The EU will inevitably get the blame - and sadly quite a few people will buy that hook line and sinker too
even though they were repeatedly told this would be the case
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Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
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Jesus fuffing Christ, cheer up. Who is to say we can't be a great independent nation once again. Absolutely nothing if people believe it and work hard to achieve it.
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
We have never been a great independent nation ffs, we got great by exploiting other nations and that isn't going to happen again any time soon. NOBODY is independent in the 21st century, everybody relies on somebody...your attitude is delusional not positive
#957
delusional
and even more delusional because it seems to have escaped them, but the UK doesn't own anything anymore
we have sold most of it off (as I have pointed out before)
most of our infrastructure is owned by foreign state owned companies - from Ports, to energy production, to transport, to the car industry, to steel production to...... the list is extensive and endless
"The British are giving up on owning things. For a generation there has been an extraordinary selling-off of public and private assets to all comers. It is not just the privatisation of former public assets, with the government last week congratulating itself on the sale of its stake in Eurostar for £750m – the latest mindless cashing in of a key public asset.
This is matched by the private sale of companies – cumulatively £440bn sold abroad over the last 10 years alone. The average Briton will now work, drink, travel, eat, drive, and use energy from assets and services supplied by foreign owners more than ever before "
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-crisis-debate
and from the Mail
That bus you boarded at Trafalgar Square is run by a German company. Boots fell to the Italians in 2007. Selfridges, Fortnum & Mason and the Savoy are owned by Canadians; Harrods has been bought by a firm based in Qatar; the Dorchester by one based in Brunei. As for our airports, most of them are now run by a Spanish firm.
Maybe a tourist wouldn’t care all that much, even if he knew. But should we? After all, does it make any real difference if a British company has a foreign master?
For the past three decades, the UK has had a completely relaxed attitude about selling off its assets to companies based abroad. Indeed, most of the time, the swallowing up of yet another great British institution barely makes a headline.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-price.html
and who was at the vanguard of selling Britain - yes that's right those fvcking Brexiteers
lol, you have to laugh
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Jesus fuffing Christ, cheer up. Who is to say we can't be a great independent nation once again. Absolutely nothing if people believe it and work hard to achieve it.
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
FYI... I'm the most positive person I know I'm also a realist, believing isn't going to make it happen, much like the 2nd coming... it's going to be a long wait.
Pleas tell me what it is... beyond faith that's going to make Britain great again, seriously I'd really like to know.
#960
Jesus fuffing Christ, cheer up. Who is to say we can't be a great independent nation once again. Absolutely nothing if people believe it and work hard to achieve it.
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
Just be thankful the miserable doom and gloom merchants on here aren't responsible for sorting out the country as the inevitable problems arise. You wouldn't want them anywhere near, spreading their negativity and dragging others down with them.