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28 June 2016, 10:03 AM
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a valid position to take
28 June 2016, 10:05 AM
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28 June 2016, 10:08 AM
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I don't advocate a neverendum, Trails. I think and feel that now the Brexit leaders have revealed their hand those people who voted leave in ignorance are, having had their hoods removed, suitably equipped to make a sound choice. I'd pledge that if the 2nd referendum went the same way as the first I'd accept the result and withdraw from the discussion.
28 June 2016, 10:08 AM
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The big question now is, how long until the leavers realise they've been lied to?
For instance, they interviewed a bloke on the TV who said he wanted all the immigrants sent back where they came from asap. Thing is they've already said that won't happen.
For instance, they interviewed a bloke on the TV who said he wanted all the immigrants sent back where they came from asap. Thing is they've already said that won't happen.
28 June 2016, 10:11 AM
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I don't advocate a neverendum, Trails. I think and feel that now the Brexit leaders have revealed their hand those people who voted leave in ignorance are, having had their hoods removed, suitably equipped to make a sound choice. I'd pledge that if the 2nd referendum went the same way as the first I'd accept the result and withdraw from the discussion.
I think that would be the pragmatic approach...I sincerely believe the result would have been significantly reversed had the pertinent facts been understood by the majority.
One more time then
28 June 2016, 10:12 AM
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The issue here, and one that most English people appear to be forgetting is that the United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries. Not just England. The UK is unique in Europe in this respect. 4 countries with differing laws, differing cultures and differing history.
And right now its not particularly united.
Only two of the four countries that make up the UK voted out. That means two voted in. On a country basis, it was 50:50. But because England has by far the largest population there was an overall majority voting to leave.
It may have been the wish of the majority of the Sovereign State that is the UK who voted, but it wasn't the wish of the majority of the countries that make up that Sovereign State. It might have been the peoples wish in England and Wales. But it certainly isn't the people's wish in Scotland and NI.
Is it reasonable that two countries should be taken out of Europe against their collective populations will just because their two neighbours want to leave?
PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
28 June 2016, 10:18 AM
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PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
28 June 2016, 10:19 AM
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The referendum is no more than a poll - albeit one which then gives the Government a mandate to resolve to leave the Union.
The issue here, and one that most English people appear to be forgetting is that the United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries. Not just England. The UK is unique in Europe in this respect. 4 countries with differing laws, differing cultures and differing history.
And right now its not particularly united.
Only two of the four countries that make up the UK voted out. That means two voted in. On a country basis, it was 50:50. But because England has by far the largest population there was an overall majority voting to leave.
It may have been the wish of the majority of the Sovereign State that is the UK who voted, but it wasn't the wish of the majority of the countries that make up that Sovereign State. It might have been the peoples wish in England and Wales. But it certainly isn't the people's wish in Scotland and NI.
Is it reasonable that two countries should be taken out of Europe against their collective populations will just because their two neighbours want to leave?
PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
The issue here, and one that most English people appear to be forgetting is that the United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries. Not just England. The UK is unique in Europe in this respect. 4 countries with differing laws, differing cultures and differing history.
And right now its not particularly united.
Only two of the four countries that make up the UK voted out. That means two voted in. On a country basis, it was 50:50. But because England has by far the largest population there was an overall majority voting to leave.
It may have been the wish of the majority of the Sovereign State that is the UK who voted, but it wasn't the wish of the majority of the countries that make up that Sovereign State. It might have been the peoples wish in England and Wales. But it certainly isn't the people's wish in Scotland and NI.
Is it reasonable that two countries should be taken out of Europe against their collective populations will just because their two neighbours want to leave?
PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
28 June 2016, 10:22 AM
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28 June 2016, 10:28 AM
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The referendum is no more than a poll - albeit one which then gives the Government a mandate to resolve to leave the Union.
The issue here, and one that most English people appear to be forgetting is that the United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries. Not just England. The UK is unique in Europe in this respect. 4 countries with differing laws, differing cultures and differing history.
And right now its not particularly united.
Only two of the four countries that make up the UK voted out. That means two voted in. On a country basis, it was 50:50. But because England has by far the largest population there was an overall majority voting to leave.
It may have been the wish of the majority of the Sovereign State that is the UK who voted, but it wasn't the wish of the majority of the countries that make up that Sovereign State. It might have been the peoples wish in England and Wales. But it certainly isn't the people's wish in Scotland and NI.
Is it reasonable that two countries should be taken out of Europe against their collective populations will just because their two neighbours want to leave?
PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
The issue here, and one that most English people appear to be forgetting is that the United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries. Not just England. The UK is unique in Europe in this respect. 4 countries with differing laws, differing cultures and differing history.
And right now its not particularly united.
Only two of the four countries that make up the UK voted out. That means two voted in. On a country basis, it was 50:50. But because England has by far the largest population there was an overall majority voting to leave.
It may have been the wish of the majority of the Sovereign State that is the UK who voted, but it wasn't the wish of the majority of the countries that make up that Sovereign State. It might have been the peoples wish in England and Wales. But it certainly isn't the people's wish in Scotland and NI.
Is it reasonable that two countries should be taken out of Europe against their collective populations will just because their two neighbours want to leave?
PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
28 June 2016, 10:35 AM
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That's the whole point though isn't it; those who voted out are now discovering they reached that decision on untruths and weren't aware what the EU does\did for the UK...and would vote differently.
I've not heard of one person who voted stay change their mind and wish they had voted leave...
I've not heard of one person who voted stay change their mind and wish they had voted leave...
but you also have to accept that fact that the "ooh what have I done" feeling would have been a factor in an IN vote
I obviously think we have made the wrong decision - and the arguments and simple lies of the Brexiteers are being highlighted almost on an hourly basis
28 June 2016, 10:44 AM
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to a point Trails I agree
but you also have to accept that fact that the "ooh what have I done" feeling would have been a factor in an IN vote
I obviously think we have made the wrong decision - and the arguments and simple lies of the Brexiteers are being highlighted almost on an hourly basis
but you also have to accept that fact that the "ooh what have I done" feeling would have been a factor in an IN vote
I obviously think we have made the wrong decision - and the arguments and simple lies of the Brexiteers are being highlighted almost on an hourly basis
28 June 2016, 10:44 AM
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so much of the current "facsimile" of a constitution we have is done by precedent and (technical) conventions
The queen “invites” a party to form a government – based on the result of a general election - and so on
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28 June 2016, 11:04 AM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...on-after-brex/
lol
98% of engerlanders are going to be totally stuffed once they get off the ferry
lol
98% of engerlanders are going to be totally stuffed once they get off the ferry
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28 June 2016, 11:13 AM
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The referendum is no more than a poll - albeit one which then gives the Government a mandate to resolve to leave the Union.
The issue here, and one that most English people appear to be forgetting is that the United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries. Not just England. The UK is unique in Europe in this respect. 4 countries with differing laws, differing cultures and differing history.
And right now its not particularly united.
Only two of the four countries that make up the UK voted out. That means two voted in. On a country basis, it was 50:50. But because England has by far the largest population there was an overall majority voting to leave.
It may have been the wish of the majority of the Sovereign State that is the UK who voted, but it wasn't the wish of the majority of the countries that make up that Sovereign State. It might have been the peoples wish in England and Wales. But it certainly isn't the people's wish in Scotland and NI.
Is it reasonable that two countries should be taken out of Europe against their collective populations will just because their two neighbours want to leave?
PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
The issue here, and one that most English people appear to be forgetting is that the United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries. Not just England. The UK is unique in Europe in this respect. 4 countries with differing laws, differing cultures and differing history.
And right now its not particularly united.
Only two of the four countries that make up the UK voted out. That means two voted in. On a country basis, it was 50:50. But because England has by far the largest population there was an overall majority voting to leave.
It may have been the wish of the majority of the Sovereign State that is the UK who voted, but it wasn't the wish of the majority of the countries that make up that Sovereign State. It might have been the peoples wish in England and Wales. But it certainly isn't the people's wish in Scotland and NI.
Is it reasonable that two countries should be taken out of Europe against their collective populations will just because their two neighbours want to leave?
PS - all the comments about Sturgeon stamping her feet and throwing her dummy out the pram because she didn't get the result she wanted crack me up. Try and be smart here and think about it. She got exactly the result she wanted, and may, in fat be the only "winner" out of all of this.
Scotland should also remember they had their chance and voted against independence.
The final vote result was to leave the EU,nobody should want to sabotage what the people have voted for.52% is still a win vote.
28 June 2016, 11:16 AM
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28 June 2016, 11:22 AM
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I don't advocate a neverendum, Trails. I think and feel that now the Brexit leaders have revealed their hand those people who voted leave in ignorance are, having had their hoods removed, suitably equipped to make a sound choice. I'd pledge that if the 2nd referendum went the same way as the first I'd accept the result and withdraw from the discussion.
Refusing to invoke article 50 carries more water.
If that were to happen, give it 2 or 3 months and most of the 'Leavers' will have forgotten about it anyway amidst the furore surrounding the next murder/affair in Corrie or Eastenders.
28 June 2016, 11:24 AM
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The people of Scotland don't vote to leave.
The people of NI didn't vote to leave.
I'm not arguing that the majority of those voting didn't vote leave - my point is that because of the UK's unique position as a sovereign state of 4 countries its not (or shouldn't be) that simple.
If Scotland and NI had voted even 50.000000001% to leave then the (and my) position would be different.
28 June 2016, 11:27 AM
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. If she chooses to veto UK's withdrawal from the EU, then it removes the "material change" required a 2nd referendum for her ambition for an independent Scotland. If she chooses instead to call a 2nd referendum for independence and stay in the EU, at what cost would this be to Scotland? Euro? Closer political integration? Schengen area? I don't think the EU would do Scotland any favours in order to prevent a similar situation from occurring between Spain and Catalonia.
28 June 2016, 11:28 AM
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For f*cks sake Jeff - If you can access scoobynet you can use google.
www.google.co.uk
its really quite simple. To make it really easy for you, here's one example
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b08d2c56394817
28 June 2016, 11:32 AM
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. If she chooses to veto UK's withdrawal from the EU, then it removes the "material change" required a 2nd referendum for her ambition for an independent Scotland. If she chooses instead to call a 2nd referendum for independence and stay in the EU, at what cost would this be to Scotland? Euro? Closer political integration? Schengen area? I don't think the EU would do Scotland any favours in order to prevent a similar situation from occurring between Spain and Catalonia.
We all need to start thinking beyind the obvious and more outside the box here.
28 June 2016, 11:42 AM
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28 June 2016, 11:43 AM
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Sturgeon has been running around creating headlines(fanned by anti-anti EU news outlets) since the result to leave the EU
1. She wanted a referendum for Scotland to leave the UK, not going to get one- fact
2 She was going go Europe to engage in talks to stop the Scotland Leaving the EU, told she couldn't do that- fact
3 She threatened Scotland could block the referendum article 50 decision, she has been informed they have no power to block-fact
1. She wanted a referendum for Scotland to leave the UK, not going to get one- fact
2 She was going go Europe to engage in talks to stop the Scotland Leaving the EU, told she couldn't do that- fact
3 She threatened Scotland could block the referendum article 50 decision, she has been informed they have no power to block-fact