best place for price and quality for forged internals
26 July 2013, 01:00 AM
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best place for price and quality for forged internals
as above where's the best place for the below that I could price up as say a kit? try the usual like lateral,as etc
forged pistons like cosworth/cp/manley
decent set of rods
acl bearings
valves
forged pistons like cosworth/cp/manley
decent set of rods
acl bearings
valves
26 July 2013, 01:20 AM
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Hi Grant
As above you mentioned Lateral Performance,AS Performance,Advanced Automotives,Engine Tuner or RCM are able sort you out here in UK with above mentioned parts
If you are looking buy parts elsewhere(worldwide) then you have more option like from US where parts are usually cheaper than over here
In USA I would suggest Real Street Performance,No Limit Motorsport,those companies we are used and they're been spotless with the pricing and delivery/collection
Jura
As above you mentioned Lateral Performance,AS Performance,Advanced Automotives,Engine Tuner or RCM are able sort you out here in UK with above mentioned parts
If you are looking buy parts elsewhere(worldwide) then you have more option like from US where parts are usually cheaper than over here
In USA I would suggest Real Street Performance,No Limit Motorsport,those companies we are used and they're been spotless with the pricing and delivery/collection
Jura
26 July 2013, 01:22 AM
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However, you only do it once, so presumably no-one's in a position to say who's 'cheaper' than who.
* SAY what you want;
* GET a quote for that, and;
* compare the quotes to what Andy Forrest quoted, since they/he is in the same country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26 July 2013, 01:44 AM
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what you on about Andy Forrest for???? I was just going to price up some parts for a friends motor buddy and the threads only been up for a few mins!! tbh your post is no help and you clearly think you know something when you don't!!, was looking to see if anyone came up with anywhere I had not already thought of like Jura and advanced which I had over looked so thanks Jura.
Grant
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26 July 2013, 03:02 AM
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what you on about Andy Forrest for???? I was just going to price up some parts for a friends motor buddy and the threads only been up for a few mins!! tbh your post is no help and you clearly think you know something when you don't!!, was looking to see if anyone came up with anywhere I had not already thought of like Jura and advanced which I had over looked so thanks Jura.
Grant
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"was looking to see if anyone came up with anywhere I had not already thought of" - so we're all psychic are we, having to work out what you had
not thought of?
You had " not already thought of like Jura and advanced", which by your own admission you "had over looked".
I therefore wondered if you had also overlooked your countryman Andy Forrest.
You see, I'm blessed (or is it 'cursed') with deducing that 'Fifer' refers to Fife in Scotland, and my understanding is that AF is based there (in Scotland).
Anyway - your post didn't indicate that you'd thought of AF, I'm not psychic, and therefore I know nothing that you do, or you know something I don't, such as your own mind.
And I'm glad.
Well at least I think I am.
that would be why grant never mentioned him.
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26 July 2013, 09:59 AM
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Excellent advice indeed 
Let me know what sort of power you want to be capable of and i'll work some options out for you.
Andy-07917204738 pp@wms-racing.com
Let me know what sort of power you want to be capable of and i'll work some options out for you.Andy-07917204738 pp@wms-racing.com
26 July 2013, 10:24 AM
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I've read somewhere thatr Mahle actually make the Cosworth pistons. Not sure hoe true that is but it wouldn't surprise me as Mahle make about 80% of the worlds pistons.
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26 July 2013, 02:29 PM
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26 July 2013, 06:56 PM
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I know you build engines for a living which is why i'm surprised your arguing this point. I believe the 4032 are ok up around the 650-700 bhp , which should cover most road cars.
http://www.mahle.com/C125708F0068F67...HHDWY074STULEN
26 July 2013, 08:10 PM
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This is what Mahle say on the subject of 4032 against 2618.
4032 is a high-silicon, low-expansion alloy. Pistons made from this alloy can be installed with tighter piston to bore clearance, resulting in a tighter seal with less noise. 4032 is a more stable alloy, so it will retain characteristics such as ring groove integrity, for longer life cycle applications. Relative to 2618, 4032 is a less ductile alloy, making it less forgiving when used with boosted and/or nitrous applications.
The majority of Mahle forged PowerPak kits are made with 4032 alloy and require no additional piston-bore clearance. Mahle pistons are perfectly engineered to allow for the proper clearances assuming normal operation. For example, Mahle pistons for a small block engine will provide proper .0025"-.0030" clearances--right from the box.
2618 is a low-silicon, high-expansion alloy that is used for extreme-duty racing applications such as NASCAR, ALMS, etc. Due to its high-expansion characteristic, this alloy is engineered with additional piston to bore clearance. At the start of a cold engine, the pistons expanding process can be heard and is commonly referred to as the "piston slap". Once the engine warms up the noise subsides as the piston expands to its running clearance. 2618 is a more ductile alloy and grants higher tolerances with higher resistance to detonation. The forgiving characteristics allow for the most extreme conditions, but longevity is eventually negotiated after countless heat cycles.
Mahle pistons are designed for specific applications with the alloy that is best suited for that particular application.
The majority of Mahle forged PowerPak kits are made with 4032 alloy and require no additional piston-bore clearance. Mahle pistons are perfectly engineered to allow for the proper clearances assuming normal operation. For example, Mahle pistons for a small block engine will provide proper .0025"-.0030" clearances--right from the box.
2618 is a low-silicon, high-expansion alloy that is used for extreme-duty racing applications such as NASCAR, ALMS, etc. Due to its high-expansion characteristic, this alloy is engineered with additional piston to bore clearance. At the start of a cold engine, the pistons expanding process can be heard and is commonly referred to as the "piston slap". Once the engine warms up the noise subsides as the piston expands to its running clearance. 2618 is a more ductile alloy and grants higher tolerances with higher resistance to detonation. The forgiving characteristics allow for the most extreme conditions, but longevity is eventually negotiated after countless heat cycles.
Mahle pistons are designed for specific applications with the alloy that is best suited for that particular application.
Also im not saying dont use 2618, i'm saying normally 4032 is the better choice for most road car applications.
26 July 2013, 08:20 PM
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you seem to make an awful lot of assumptions about my posts when i have made a couple of very clear simple statements and nowhere can i see i have been arrogant or told anyone they have no knowledge or experience - i also cant see anywhere that implies exactly what this build is to be so have kept it very general (we always discuss each and every build/project at length so the customer gets the "right" set-up for them)
i stand by exactly what i have stated based on over 15yrs of professional building and far longer than i care to remeber before that - i also stated its IMO (in my opinion) so no doubt others will have their reasons and opinions and thats perfectly fine by me too
i stand by exactly what i have stated based on over 15yrs of professional building and far longer than i care to remeber before that - i also stated its IMO (in my opinion) so no doubt others will have their reasons and opinions and thats perfectly fine by me too
26 July 2013, 08:46 PM
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you seem to make an awful lot of assumptions about my posts when i have made a couple of very clear simple statements and nowhere can i see i have been arrogant or told anyone they have no knowledge or experience - i also cant see anywhere that implies exactly what this build is to be so have kept it very general (we always discuss each and every build/project at length so the customer gets the "right" set-up for them)
i stand by exactly what i have stated based on over 15yrs of professional building and far longer than i care to remeber before that - i also stated its IMO (in my opinion) so no doubt others will have their reasons and opinions and thats perfectly fine by me too
i stand by exactly what i have stated based on over 15yrs of professional building and far longer than i care to remeber before that - i also stated its IMO (in my opinion) so no doubt others will have their reasons and opinions and thats perfectly fine by me too
its exactly because of the amount of engines i have built that i am debating it.............
as stated spec the pistons to the correct build not to their use
as stated spec the pistons to the correct build not to their use
26 July 2013, 09:03 PM
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I dont think i made any assumptions. I stated a piston spec for a road car and a spec for a race car. Rather than elaborate your opinion on these specs you desided to post.
Thats what i called arrogant ! nothing personal mate but where was i wrong in my suggestion and reasoning behind it ?
Thats what i called arrogant ! nothing personal mate but where was i wrong in my suggestion and reasoning behind it ?
just for debate though - if 2618 is so "bad" then how come Mahle only use this for certain spec/applications of pistons and also why dont Cosworth/Omega/CP/et al offer various options and suffer these drastic issues??
26 July 2013, 09:10 PM
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you obviously have never dealt with me or know me from Adam (and i you) - pretty sure i'm the least arrogant or assuming person you could deal with
just for debate though - if 2618 is so "bad" then how come Mahle only use this for certain spec/applications of pistons and also why dont Cosworth/Omega/CP/et al offer various options and suffer these drastic issues??
just for debate though - if 2618 is so "bad" then how come Mahle only use this for certain spec/applications of pistons and also why dont Cosworth/Omega/CP/et al offer various options and suffer these drastic issues??
Nowhere in my posts did i say 2618 were bad. That's putting words into my mouth. All i said was generally 4032 was the better option for road cars. That opinion shared by many including Mahle, especially were long engine life is required.
26 July 2013, 09:19 PM
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sorry but the only person i can see putting words in mouths or making assumptions is yourself??? you have done it again by taking my post as an insult now??? couldn't be farther from the truth
what was there to debate, i stated an opinion of mine that parts should be specced to the build and not just to the use the car is for.............and i still stand by this as it MY view
also Mahle (as many other companies do, particuarly in the States where these are produced) post their statement mainly as a "get out of jail free card" so you cant complain about noise or associated issues
having built and refreshed many high power engines used as daily drivers i have yet to see anything that would stop me using "race" pistons for certain applications
anyhows moving on, lets just put it down to an "internet" thing and the fact you cant see any associated emotion or inference in my posts
what was there to debate, i stated an opinion of mine that parts should be specced to the build and not just to the use the car is for.............and i still stand by this as it MY view
also Mahle (as many other companies do, particuarly in the States where these are produced) post their statement mainly as a "get out of jail free card" so you cant complain about noise or associated issues
having built and refreshed many high power engines used as daily drivers i have yet to see anything that would stop me using "race" pistons for certain applications
anyhows moving on, lets just put it down to an "internet" thing and the fact you cant see any associated emotion or inference in my posts
26 July 2013, 09:26 PM
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sorry but the only person i can see putting words in mouths or making assumptions is yourself??? you have done it again by taking my post as an insult now??? couldn't be farther from the truth
what was there to debate, i stated an opinion of mine that parts should be specced to the build and not just to the use the car is for.............and i still stand by this as it MY view
also Mahle (as many other companies do, particuarly in the States where these are produced) post their statement mainly as a "get out of jail free card" so you cant complain about noise or associated issues
having built and refreshed many high power engines used as daily drivers i have yet to see anything that would stop me using "race" pistons for certain applications
anyhows moving on, lets just put it down to an "internet" thing and the fact you cant see any associated emotion or inference in my posts
what was there to debate, i stated an opinion of mine that parts should be specced to the build and not just to the use the car is for.............and i still stand by this as it MY view
also Mahle (as many other companies do, particuarly in the States where these are produced) post their statement mainly as a "get out of jail free card" so you cant complain about noise or associated issues
having built and refreshed many high power engines used as daily drivers i have yet to see anything that would stop me using "race" pistons for certain applications
anyhows moving on, lets just put it down to an "internet" thing and the fact you cant see any associated emotion or inference in my posts