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Old 30 April 2013, 06:26 PM
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Check this out.

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http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...h-spec/1309744
Old 30 April 2013, 06:39 PM
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Very nice indeed.
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Why buyer beware?
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Where does it say caveat emptor in the advert ?

Shaun

(Not the Shaun in the advert)
Old 30 April 2013, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgecutter
Why buyer beware?
It ain't a Type 25.
Old 30 April 2013, 08:32 PM
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Jeezo some knowledgeable people on here
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
It ain't a Type 25.
How can you tell ?
I'd of never known ( best I stick with classics lol )
Old 30 April 2013, 09:04 PM
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Worded as type 25 spec. Thats what I read from the add.
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Basically a copy of type 25 but not built at litchfield.
I hope he's not trying to say its a genuine type 25

Although a nice car mind
Old 30 April 2013, 10:16 PM
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Not JDM is it? It's hard to tell as there's no clear view of the rear windscreen to see if the wiper's there. Even if it is, it's not completely Type 25 spec with BC coilovers rather than ASTs. And if it was a genuine Type 25, I suspect the price would be higher.

As has been said, it still looks a good buy for somebody though.
Old 30 April 2013, 10:44 PM
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It is very nice regardless.
Old 30 April 2013, 11:30 PM
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I e-mailed and its not a Type 25. But he says its better!
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Just a question for reference;do genuine Type 25's have a top mount inter-cooler?
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not a type 25 , but still nice car
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
I e-mailed and its not a Type 25. But he says its better!
At least the guy isn't intent on scamming people.

A Type 25 of that era would I think fetch £18k+ ?

As everyone is probably aware, I posted to show how careful one has to be.

It's not a Type 25, and the clear proof is that it doesn't have a number.
All T-25's were numbered, badged under the bonnet and in the car, with a 'Type 25' badge on the back.

I think it's a bit overpriced for a highly modded Hawkeye, notwithstanding that its performance etc. should be close to that of the genuine Type 25 in the video that's linked to in the ad.
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Originally Posted by MattyB1983
How can you tell ?
I'd of never known ( best I stick with classics lol )
It's not been done by Powerstation/Litchfields that's the big giveaway. Furthermore the base car isn't a Spec C, there's no Porsche brakes or leather interior or Enkei alloys (although these may have been optional). No mention of head work (Type 25 had extensive head work done by Cosworth and Powerstation) or cam work. BC coilovers as opposed to AST. No ceramic coated bespoke twin scroll manifold. The Type 25 had one specially done by Miltek. There's possibly other bits as well.
The seller has been quite crafty putting the Type 25 'spec' so as not to be accused as misselling. The power/torque and performance figures are identical to the genuine Type 25 (actually the torque figure is 10lbs less) The seller would have been better off selling it for what it is a well specced Hawkeye as someone has already said. No point dressing it up as something else, pretentious and sly imho.

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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
It's not been done by Powerstation/Litchfields that's the big giveaway. Furthermore the base car isn't a Spec C, there's no Porsche brakes or leather interior or Enkei alloys (although these may have been optional). No mention of head work (Type 25 had extensive head work done by Cosworth and Powerstation) or cam work. BC coilovers as opposed to AST. No ceramic coated bespoke twin scroll manifold. The Type 25 had one specially done by Miltek. There's possibly other bits as well.
The seller has been quite crafty putting the Type 25 'spec' so as not to be accused as misselling. The power/torque and performance figures are identical to the genuine Type 25 The seller would have been better off selling it for what it is a well specced Hawkeye as someone has already said. No point dressing it up as something else, pretentious and sly imho.
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
Just a question for reference;do genuine Type 25's have a top mount inter-cooler?
Yes they do, they use the standard STI top mount.
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And built at sc which they are not known for 'type 25/20' builds.
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
I e-mailed and its not a Type 25. But he says its better!
How exactly is it 'better'? It's got no ASTs, not Porsche calipers, not jdm based. So how is that better?

That would be enough to put me off as the seller can't even be upfront and honest.
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Don't shoot the messenger. It was his opinion not mine and his name is not Shaun either.
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Don't shoot the messenger. It was his opinion not mine and his name is not Shaun either.
Lol, I'm not having a go at you mate, but at his reply
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Yes they do, they use the standard STI top mount.
Originally Posted by legb4rsk
Just a question for reference;do genuine Type 25's have a top mount inter-cooler?
merci,mon brave.
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
It's not been done by Powerstation/Litchfields that's the big giveaway. Furthermore the base car isn't a Spec C, there's no Porsche brakes or leather interior or Enkei alloys (although these may have been optional). No mention of head work (Type 25 had extensive head work done by Cosworth and Powerstation) or cam work. BC coilovers as opposed to AST. No ceramic coated bespoke twin scroll manifold. The Type 25 had one specially done by Miltek. There's possibly other bits as well.
The seller has been quite crafty putting the Type 25 'spec' so as not to be accused as misselling. The power/torque and performance figures are identical to the genuine Type 25 (actually the torque figure is 10lbs less) The seller would have been better off selling it for what it is a well specced Hawkeye as someone has already said. No point dressing it up as something else, pretentious and sly imho.
Not all T25s were based on the Spec C. Porsche brakes were an option as was the leather.
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Originally Posted by STi8
Not all T25s were based on the Spec C. Porsche brakes were an option as was the leather.
Sorry my mistake. There were two models offered one based on the A line JDM STI and one on the Spec C.

http://www.type-25.com/home.asp
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No problem. There were of course all the blob eye T25s too, based on just about anything, including an American car and used Imprezas.
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
It's not been done by Powerstation/Litchfields that's the big giveaway. Furthermore the base car isn't a Spec C, there's no Porsche brakes or leather interior or Enkei alloys (although these may have been optional). No mention of head work (Type 25 had extensive head work done by Cosworth and Powerstation) or cam work. BC coilovers as opposed to AST. No ceramic coated bespoke twin scroll manifold. The Type 25 had one specially done by Miltek. There's possibly other bits as well.
The seller has been quite crafty putting the Type 25 'spec' so as not to be accused as misselling. The power/torque and performance figures are identical to the genuine Type 25 (actually the torque figure is 10lbs less) The seller would have been better off selling it for what it is a well specced Hawkeye as someone has already said. No point dressing it up as something else, pretentious and sly imho.
A very good summing up and view, if I might be forgiven for appearing to cringe and fawn.

I do think it is very close to, if not in fact, misselling because he's saying it is the same spec as a Type 25.
It's not as bad as having a kit car and calling it a Countach but then what would anyone think of an ad that described a kit car as 'Lamborghini Countach spec'.
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Don't shoot the messenger. It was his opinion not mine and his name is not Shaun either.
A good bit of sleuthing there IMO.

If he won't give his real name, on top of the near-the-mark advertising, well..........
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He's dropped the price by over £1K already.

Looks like there's a few emptors who are good at caveating.

My main whinge is that he makes those who have T20/T25's look as if they are overpricing their cars.


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