Grrr, just had a NIP through the post. 35 in a 30 zone. Fair dos I say, however look at the ****ty way they're catching us........

Taken from the FAQ sheet that came with the NIP

Q This is all about raising money
All fines received go back to the Treasury. The Partnership including the Police do not receive any money from the fines

Whilst the above maybe true they have targets to meet and would go someway to explaining the position of the camera van, slap bang on the change over from a NSL (60mph) road to a 30mph zone.

A google photo of the positioning in question

The arrow shows my direction of travel, the X is where the camera van was sited and the sign ringed is the 30mph sign after a 60mph NSL road



If thats not positioning the van to up the prosecutions then I don't know what is.............
Theres not even any residential buildings for at least another 1/2 a mile!

Now I remember quite clearly this day and I remember slowing down for this van and I suspect they may have clocked me before I entered the 30 zone and I will be asking for photographic evidence. If I have been clocked in the 30 zone (bear in mind I will have been slowing down at the time of being clocked) then I'll hold my hands up and admit I'm in the wrong and hope I get offered the speed awareness course instead of points!

I wouldn't mind so much if I was in my Impreza but I was in my dead slow and stop 206 Derv!!

Typically the motorist is the easy target.

*rant over*

 

They do this in colchester, There is a dual carriageway that finishes and enters a village so goes from 70-30mph and they always sit at the entrance to the village gun pointing up the dual carriageway.

Good luck but most of the time you just have to take the ticket.

 

Cheers.
It all depends on which way the camera was pointing. If its at the front of my car I was still in the 60 limit. If it was the rear of my car then it could be touch and go! Thats why I want a photograph before pleading guilty!

 

I have a problem with these things , they dont give u any time to slow. But if u think about it , if u start to slow when u see the sign u technically should have loads of time.

 

Yeah I completely agree, however the sign is round a corner so its obscured until you're on top of it. Thats why they park the van there.

Bear in mind its a 60mph road with no prior warning of the impending 30 limit!
Poor signposting imo. This is the first you can see of it if your as high as the google camera. The reality is, at normal car height, its slightly further round the corner before you see it!. The place sign and the corner obscure it before that point. I've highlighted the sign in the pic.....

 

Go to pepipoo site as they may get you off on a technicality.

TX.

 

Take whatever they offer you.

They WILL chase you to the ends of the earth for it, and if it goes to court, you get MORE points, a BIGGER fine plus costs and a "victim surcharge" against you
Trust me, I tried it, Pepipo too.

Magistrates just ignored everything I said and went ahead.

 

Thats exactly the attitude they want us all to take.
I have no problem accepting it if I was doing that speed, however I don't think I was. I am convinced they got me on the way in which is still NSL, I'm gonna fight it just on principle.........

 

feel for you mate 35 in a 30 is a stinger, i tend to drive to the situation, some 30s by me are country lanes which should be nat. speed limit, its a joke

 

Ask for photographic proof, who was operating the gun, serial number, calibration certificate etc.

Also, worth checking legislation and good practice for signage. Don't they usually have signs warning you prior to entering a 30mph zone from a national speed limit?

Motorists are any easy cash cow, but only because the vast majority don't challenge any fines. If even half the people fined were to challenge it the system would fall apart.

Best of luck with it.

 

From the pic it looks like there is only one 30mph sign on the other side of the road? IIRC you are meant to have one either side of the road.

 

And were there speed camera signs up at the time, either temporary ones or permanent?

 

there is a min. distance inside the limit they are able to sort i believe??

 

BLU – where is this?
I see you are in North Wales, me too, there was an article in the last month or so in one of the local papers where a woman was sent a speeding fine from the “North Wales partnership” after passing the fixed camera in Towyn.

She knew she want speeding and asked for the photographic proof. When the partnership looked into the evidence second time round it turned out to be a van going in the opposite direction that set the camera off!!

I know anyone can have a lapse of concentration, but it does seem odd in your case that you remember passing the van, slowing down, then entering the 30 and still got nabbed!

Best of luck with it

 

There are two signs. The one on the left can't be seen until you're right on top of it!

No speed camera signs whatsoever. I don't think they need to be there though.

It's on the Denbigh Road heading into Mold.

I remember it quite well, I was tempted to warn motorists coming the other way but I didn't

I'm still convinced they got me on the NSL part. Only a photo will clarify it though.....

 

Just had a look on the DfT site for minimum distance for the visibility of the signs. BOTH signs when going from 60mph to 30 mph must be clearly visible 115m away. I suspect the left sign falls foul of that rule if not both...... watch this space......

 

Heres a pic of both signs roughly 50m away. No way these conform to the minimum standards

 

Good on you blu. Money grabbing buggers

 

They will probably fall at the first hurdle when you request a photograph to help you identify the driver anyhow.

 

All I can say is: best of luck.

I've seen people win, on here and Pepipoo, but not as many as challenge it.

BOB's assertion that "if even half the people who are caught, challenge it, the system would fall apart", amuses me.

I wish.

I challenged it and got done for an EXTRA £40 in fines, £150 costs, (and that was GOING to be £300!!!), and if it had been now, I would have had to pay the £15 "victim surcharge too".

AND I got FOUR points instead of three

So, all in all, THEY had an extra £190 out of me for ten minutes in court!.

Easy money? You bet.

Challenge it IF you can, by all means, but unless your case is ROCK SOLID and I mean GRANITE solid, prepare to be reamed. They don't like people challenging, and make you pay for it.

In my case, I could have proved in court that ONE of the people called against me told a lie on his statement. I asked for HIM to be called. The prosecution witnesses all turned up. My guy didn't.

And when I complained, the mags said, "Hard luck!"

So I paid for THEIR three witnesses when mine didn't turn up.

And their is no appeal unless you go to crown court, and if you do, I hope you have lots of cash to waste.

Yep, easy targets, motorists.

 

^^^^^ This^^^^^
Nonsense.

They send you the pic. Youi either own up, or shop someone else.
If you DON'T it's a £1000 fine.

Unless you can PROVE you don't know who was driving. And how DO you prove it? VERY difficult, unless LOADS of folk can drive the car, and even then, you are SUPPOSED, BY LAW, to keep a record

Let's face it, the UK government wanted this law so much, they got the ECHR to give a WEIRD verdict when EVERYONE said they COULDN'T POSSIBLY win.
They did.

 

They also pull out the highway code out and say crap like when you see street lighting u should assume u are nearing a residential area or a junction. The signage my not even play a part in your appeal. Definatly ask the question though , i just got off with a parking ticket after appealing , they didnt have pics for evidence !

 

Quite simply I drove one way, the missus the other way therefore we need the photograph to ascertain which way the vehicle was travelling.......simples. I'll fight my corner to the bitter end, money grabbing t*ats

 

As I said, I HOPE you win, but...............

 

Theres no street lights until after the 30mph sign.

The law for road signs is crystal clear;

In my case the minimum clear visibility distance for terminal sign (other than entering a side road) going from 60mph to 30mph is 115m.
The minimum clear visibility distance indicated should be provided for both terminal signs

So I think I may have quite a strong case........

 

So do I I like a good argument.........especially with those who think they know best

 

if i remember, you can buy info from ebay for a pound.

A clear camera sign must be 60 or 100 metres before the camera, not just on the camera van. the van must be clearly seen at all times. Also the camera must have been calibrated for use for that day. There are loads of ways out of it, but as mentioned above, is it worth it?

 

My advice is to take it on the chin,I was done for doing 49 in a 40 and was offered a speed awareness course which i attended and cost £90,but no points added to my licence.Put it down to experience and be ready for them next time.

 

Why? I genuinely don't think I was speeding, and if I was it was for literally 10 yards into the 30 zone as I was off throttle completely........ the underhand positioning of the van makes me want to fight my corner even more
Plus if the signs are wrong it'll give em a chance to put them right!

 

If as it looks in this case, the picture was taken from behind then it won't help identify the driver.

If the driver was sharing the driving with his partner and can't remember who was driving as he says, then that in my experience can be enough for them to drop it.