Alan Jeffery

JME RST seems to have a problem, and he's decided to start what looks like a trolling mission on somebody else's thread.

I'll repeat what he said;

"you may find after you have traveled all that way for your remap and got yourself home that you will only have to take it back to them.. "

"in the 3 weeks ive had my car,i now know of another 3 people that have come out of there with running issues,and had to be taken back to be rectified some on more than one occasion.and 2 of them still werent right afterwards."

Unfair to post on another's thread.
I don't know what his actual problem is, but I bet there's an answer to it.

The fact is that no mapper out there, and I mean none, can 100% guarantee to hit the spot first time with every car. Apart from anything else, there are a massive number of faults that can get in the way of the sweet result that everybody wants to find. I'm well aware that there are a great deal of manufacturer products that don't leave the factory with perfect tuning. Take the Hatch for example, that's had all kinds of issues requiring remaps, despite Subaru having all the time in the world to deal with it, rather than a half a day or so.
As time goes by we get better management systems coming through. Having said that, it doesn't matter how good they are, if there is something up with the car, and there often is, you're going to be left with a less than perfect situation.

For me, I'd like to discuss his issues with him, and try and find a resolution.
Insinuating that we can't do the work is plainly ridiculous, considering the amount of it we do, and the considerable success we can point to.
If there is a possibility that my business could be damaged by any unwarranted accusation, I may well have to take some action.
He's obviously aggrieved about something or he wouldn't have said that, but that doesn't mean we are actually at fault as such.

As always, the tiny details matter very much..

jme-rst

well i was under the impression that as this is a public forum,i am free to voice my own opinion.

i am not a petty troll or internet keyboard warrior trying to get my rocks of by taunting yourselves.

i was just letting people know that people I know and also my own car have had a very different outcome from yourselves,whats wrong with that?

i apprecite that aspects of tuning vastly and every car is different so mapping is not easy etc.

however,when its the same problems,coming from the same marque,more than twice.
then surely there is a problem?

peter zippy reid

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Why dont you post what the problem is then is it a map problem or a engine build problem so people know what your gripe is

chrisUK300

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You are free to voice your opinion. Looks better on yourself if you actually back up your statements ratherthan make sweeping generalisations.
Enginetuner are also free to challenge it.
All IMO

Maz

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Hmm rather ironic given your contributions to the thread below.

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...on-an-esl.html

Alan Jeffery

You may well be correct, but you may also have to consider what the problem might be!
A few examples;
Poor injectors
Leaking injector seals
Sticking idle valves
Air leaks from boost hoses or small bore pipes leading to map sensors
Crushed map sensor pipes
Faulty fuel pumps and relays
Duff throttle pots
Problems with spark pugs and coil packs
Dirty fuel
Incorrect octane

Do you get the picture? Sometimes it's a wonder that anybody can get all that lot sorted at all.

When it comes to "mapping" it's all about the numbers in the boxes.
If you have the right numbers, it should go ok.
If you don't, you'll know about it from data feedback.
If you have the right numbers in the boxes but it still doesn't go right,
SOMETHING IS UP.. Then you have to tap the glass and go around again until you find the issue. That can sometimes take bloody weeks..

The fact that a car isn't running just pukka doesn't always mean somebody is at fault.

It's just life mate..

Alan Jeffery

All open to interpretation, and Duncan and I kissed and made up an ice age ago..

Alan Jeffery

If you'll excuse me chaps, I have a doctor's appointment to go to. It happens a lot at my age!
Please don't think I've run off, as fascinating as all this is..

Cheers... Alan

99greenwagon

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ive had a few cars mapped by martyn and providing your engine is good in the first place and maintained well,,then you should have no issues whatsoever,its life that possibly your car has developed a fault after being mapped or the fault was already there in the first place,surely its up to the owner to make sure his/her car is tip top ready for mapping. if you are unsure then why not ask a 'specialist' to diagnose before mapping? ie enginetuner!

enginetuner has built many many high powered engines along with general maintainance,diagnosis etc etc.
martyn is very good at what he does an so are the rest of the team,there are lots of people on here that have had first hand experiences with them and im sure they will all agree with what i am saying.....
can you explain what exactly has happened for you to start knocking a very respected company on here?

jme-rst

the issues are mainly mapping related.not heard anything about the engine builds.
and pretty sure alan doesnt do the mapping side of things.

my car
simtek fitted with 740cc injectors-2 stage boost
strange looking dip between 5-5.5k
had to go back twice as would not start from cold at all.
and another fault the owner wouldnt disclose.
also seems to be running very rich

another 2 imprezas with the same cold start problems.
all 3 have a VERY searching idle.

also a good friend watched them blow an engine at a r/r day,telling the owner theres plenty more in there,well turn the boost up a bit.they ran the car 3 times in a row and it just died,then they said to him dont worry we can rebuild that for you for xxx amout of pounds.
i also was referred to speak to martyn by alan as i was asking some simtek questions and i pmd him,asking him a few of the features,what sort of power i should expect from mods.and he answered them all and i asked him if he could maybe tell me why it was a bit low on power as he mapped it,i was in no way nasty or anything like that and he just said 316 is a respectable figure,just ended the convo effectively,after telling me before that it should be 330.
as i said i appreciate all the fine tuning and hard work that goes into mapping but if a car has to repeatedly go back because of the same fault and its happening on more than one car then there is a problem somewhere,do imprezas not like starting from cold after theyve had a new ecu?

for a 2k bill for simtek and mapping and injectors then id expect the car to be running pukka,ok could let taking it back once go,but twice..
if someone else had that experience they would also be quick to share,regardless of company name.

engine shouldnt have had any faults as only had 15k on a fresh rebuild.

mr smash

As for mapping if there is ANY issue that you arnt happy with afterwards you just take it back and Martyn will sort it out ,thats their policy.

Hammer man

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Viagra ?.... Keeps your "pecker" up

marcevs72

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i am not mr grumpy....sorry mr jeffery's biggest fan but the work the lads do is spot on espcially the mapping.i am even going to give it another go with them on a few bits with my scoob.olive branch mr jeffery.....lol

stevemoir

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The simtek has always had problems with cold start issues on some cars it's a software / hardware problem and some ecu had to be sent back for repair

I agree 2k is a lot of money but if it's software it can't be helped

Why doesn't everyone bite the bullet and go Syvecs I got my brand new one for a lot less than that and is perfect

Steve

tweaks

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I had the same on my last impreza with simtek and 740's
Idle was crap wether hot or cold,nothing to do with engine tuner though.
Did you even bother doing any homework on simteks before you decided on one ?
I guarantee if you did then you know about the idle issues with the ECU !

Tim

jme-rst

this was originally part of a post by harvey,using it as i think it has some useful information.

The complaints I come across with the SimteK are cold start or poor idle. Both are mapping issues. The mapper only has one shot to get the cold start right so unless he has good cold start maps and off sets/scales, chance are he will not get it right first time. Often the car arrives with the mapper warm or even hot. So cars with cold start issues need delivering the night before, mapped first thing in the morning and checked again late afternoon or early evening (second attempt). If necessary the car stands overnight with a third cold start next morning.
If your mapper is competant and has enough maps saved for particular specs or experience he will get it right first time. If your cold start does need tweaked and your mapper is concientious it will be FOC PROVIDING you are prepared to leave your car overnight. Now I have to say that the experience, knowledge and skill of Simtek mappers varies greatly and this explains a lot of "cold start issues"
If you have cold start issues or poor idling and it is a mapping issue as opposed to sucking air from a loose or split pipe and your mapper cannot resolve then it is time to seek out a capable and concientious mapper.
Like I said I have no idle issues and our mapper appears capable of resolving both of these minor irritants and has the interest and determination to do so.

ok so it is a mapping issue? therfore the mapper is at fault.
and as i said mine is not the only car with these running faults,there seem to be quite a few of them.

there are other things.

guy had a megasquirt fitted and repeatedly mapped,owner ended up mapping the car himself after alot of time and aggro and paying for mapping sessions.

martynj also had words with a friend of mine regarding engine probs,he said i know who u are,you are so and so,even though he wasnt,he was someone else
kind of says they know that some cars go out and they arent right,if they have any repricussions then its ok bring it back and we will fix it for free (if its our fault).

i do live in the same town as engine tuner,and having bein involved in the modding scene for the last ten years.
their company reputation was..crap,then it got a little bit better,then crap again and now who knows

there are only really 2 modyfying garages in plymouth and the other one has a bad rep too,one fellow member on here even said AJ have the monoploy down here,we need another tuning firm in the southwest.

Tail Slider

Thats a very good point Tim but on the flip side do tuners make a customer aware of the issues? I bet they don't!

To be fair, im surprised tuners are still pushing this ecu when such mystery surrounds its future especially seeing as one half of the ecus founder has moved on to a new product.

Matt

tubbytommy

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yup do you research and ask around i was going to get a simtek until i asked a few people and was told syvecs is the one to go for because of simteks problems.

i have never dealt with alan but if my engine ever needed rebuilding he would be my first choice.
surely every company has problems arise, its how you deal with them that matters.

jme-rst

also regarding these cold start faults, if AJ know of these faults and problems and they have sorted them before,then why are cars still coming out with the same problems ie havent been rectified in the first place as its a common fault apparently.

stevemoir

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From my point of view a mapper should never use other people's maps as a baseline to set someone else's map off

A custom map is starting from The beginning and doing it from there I'd never want someone else's map and tweaking it on mine !

And I believe engine tuner does not do this

Yes the mapper should have told you about the issues that ecu has but with simtek there were always new issues and they were being resolved as soon as they could

As I've said in my previous post Syvecs lol

Steve

stevemoir

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Thats to do with simtek themselves tuners have been at the constantly to sort these problems out hence why the new simtek is out there

Steve

jme-rst

when was the new simtek released?

tubbytommy

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jme rst,
i dont know what has gone on between alan and you but has he offered to fix the problem free of charge?

jme-rst

no i havent been offered the above.

am only asking about the newer simtek release as mines only 6 months old.

barnshaw

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I have never dealt with Enginetuner but its unfair to expect them to fix the problem free of charge, it may well as explained first time around be nothing to do with the ECU? if its ECu related though then yes of course it should be sorted.

The mention of upgrade to syvecs whilst a nice one is hundreds of pounds more new, you dont get many popping up second hand thats for sure. I think its near bordering on 2k for syvecs is it not?

Alan Jeffery

Hi Chaps.

Back briefly while the Mrs. puts the bangers on to heat.
The Doc said I was fine, but not to bother watching any serials.
I dunno what she meant by that..

JME..

Sorry, but you'll have to help me here, when were you last in my garage?

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

If your having issues with said mapper then why not try somebody else. There are plenty of exceptional mappers out there.
If your issues are resolved by another mapper then you know where the blame lies, and I'm sure Alan would cover the mapping cost 'if' it turned out to be his fault.

Alan Jeffery

I have a feeling you're jumping the gun a little here, let's hear what the man has to say shall we?

scoobychris300

come on if your so pissed off reply ! unless you know its a fault on car!
chris.

stevemoir

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Unless the price has went up I got my Syvecs including wideband and mapping for 1900 brand new

The new simtek came out bout 3 month ago it's in the trader announcements

You can't upgrade to the new one it has to be purchased saying that the new one has good features but don't think it's on par with the Syvecs just yet

This is clearly a problem that can be resolved with you and Alan over the phone and not on here

He's a top bloke who will resolve any probs you have Any queries I have he's always on hand

Steve