Huge tyre braking test (Autobild)
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Huge tyre braking test (Autobild)
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...aking-Test.htm
some inetresting results, falken 453's won't be on my list!
some inetresting results, falken 453's won't be on my list!
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OK if all you do with tyures is wet and dry braking. What about cornering G force in wet and dry; what about braking wet and dry in cornering situations; what about cold weather performance versus hot weather performance; what about performance in snow / ice?? Incidentally there is not much to sepaarate the first 25 tyres so if I was interested only in wet and dry braking performance then the Falken 453's would be good for me.
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I'm slightly cynical of that review....No way Pirelly P7s should be on par with sportcontacts. IIRC P7s are almost budget tyres, and as soon as the rubber starts to harden (about 2-3yrs) and the sipes wear off (as they are only cut a few mm into the outer tread) wet/cold grip goes out the window. They replaced the P7000 which was only marginally better than the dire p6000 (OEM fitment on big Jags would you belive).
The only Pirellis I rate are whats currently on the back of the BMW which are Pzero runflats (not to be consfused with P-zero Rosso...another one to avoid) that appears to cope suprisingly well with the 400lb/ft being put through them. The dynamic throttle mapping probably masks the limitations a fair bit though (like whats done to most modern FWD cars with more than 200bhp). But the ride is awful. And they are too new to harden, which in my experience every Pirelli I've seen does moreso than other main brand tyres (just look at the rubber cracking between the tread blocks).
Hankook ventus are a suprise...I had a set on Escort many years ago. Great in the dry, but it'd wheelspin in 3rd gear in the wet. And braking wasn't much better. Obviously a different tyre to the review but IMO I got what I paid for.
I wore them out in 5000 miles too
The only Pirellis I rate are whats currently on the back of the BMW which are Pzero runflats (not to be consfused with P-zero Rosso...another one to avoid) that appears to cope suprisingly well with the 400lb/ft being put through them. The dynamic throttle mapping probably masks the limitations a fair bit though (like whats done to most modern FWD cars with more than 200bhp). But the ride is awful. And they are too new to harden, which in my experience every Pirelli I've seen does moreso than other main brand tyres (just look at the rubber cracking between the tread blocks).
Hankook ventus are a suprise...I had a set on Escort many years ago. Great in the dry, but it'd wheelspin in 3rd gear in the wet. And braking wasn't much better. Obviously a different tyre to the review but IMO I got what I paid for.
I wore them out in 5000 miles too
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Can't believe there are worse tyres that the Runway ENDURO 916 Plus that the dealer had fitted to mine before I bought it... they lasted less than a month before being swapped out!
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I'm slightly cynical of that review....No way Pirelly P7s should be on par with sportcontacts. IIRC P7s are almost budget tyres, and as soon as the rubber starts to harden (about 2-3yrs) and the sipes wear off (as they are only cut a few mm into the outer tread) wet/cold grip goes out the window. They replaced the P7000 which was only marginally better than the dire p6000 (OEM fitment on big Jags would you belive).
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Interesting that country of manufacture was not included in that survey?
I would lay money on most of the poor performers being Chinese. They've flooded the markets with products that look good and are cheap but made of poor quality materials, and the rest of the world has fallen for it!
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I'm slightly cynical of that review....No way Pirelly P7s should be on par with sportcontacts. IIRC P7s are almost budget tyres, and as soon as the rubber starts to harden (about 2-3yrs) and the sipes wear off (as they are only cut a few mm into the outer tread) wet/cold grip goes out the window. They replaced the P7000 which was only marginally better than the dire p6000 (OEM fitment on big Jags would you belive
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I've always rated the Uniroyal Rainsport II since the days of running them on my old 205 GTi. Wet grip was superb and the dry was as good as any other tyre I've previously used. The most overrated tyre IMO is the toyo T1-r. How people continually sing the praises for the wet grip I'll never know. Luckily I currently have Bridgestones on with plenty of miles left but will either be switching to Falken or back to Uniroyal come renewal time as I can't justify £120 a corner for tyres which act no better than £70-80 a corner tyres (for my placid driving style anyway).
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So, how do they test these tyres? Do they run them in for a few hundred miles before taking their measurements, or are they straight out the moulds?
Some tyres are worse than others when brand new, just how they're made. Takes them a while to settle in, so i'd hope they don't just bolt on new tyres and test them straight away. If they do, makes the results worthless imo.
Some tyres are worse than others when brand new, just how they're made. Takes them a while to settle in, so i'd hope they don't just bolt on new tyres and test them straight away. If they do, makes the results worthless imo.
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COB, I know what you meat regarding the T1-R they are good in the dry but if I give it a bit on a damp road especially in a corner its easy to loose traction, I have just bought a new set of RE070's, Same again they might not be the best handling tyre in the wet but the way they perform in the dry is good enough for me, It's not all about braking IMO there is a lot lot more to it when making a decision on buying new tyres, They didn't even test them??
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Unfortunately even the same brand and model of tyre can differ. See this.. At that time there was a clear difference in performance between Goodyears made in germany and those made in China, even thought both met all British Standard requirements.
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So, how do they test these tyres? Do they run them in for a few hundred miles before taking their measurements, or are they straight out the moulds?
Some tyres are worse than others when brand new, just how they're made. Takes them a while to settle in, so i'd hope they don't just bolt on new tyres and test them straight away. If they do, makes the results worthless imo.
Some tyres are worse than others when brand new, just how they're made. Takes them a while to settle in, so i'd hope they don't just bolt on new tyres and test them straight away. If they do, makes the results worthless imo.
F1s kill Proxes. End of story.
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T1R are great on the classic,but on the New age I wouldn't use them
RE70 are great tyres,tried them only once on the JDM and they're awesome in dry,not sure how they're perform in the wet
We are running Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta and they're great for us and really in wet no problem,in dry they great too..
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RE70 are great tyres,tried them only once on the JDM and they're awesome in dry,not sure how they're perform in the wet
We are running Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta and they're great for us and really in wet no problem,in dry they great too..
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I currently run F1's on my classic after using a set of Proxes.
All I can say is I will 100% be going back to Toyo when these F1's are finished. The F1's don't even come close in the dry, Proxes are a far far far better tyre in the dry.
In the wet, well that's different but my car doesn't come out in the wet.
All I can say is I will 100% be going back to Toyo when these F1's are finished. The F1's don't even come close in the dry, Proxes are a far far far better tyre in the dry.
In the wet, well that's different but my car doesn't come out in the wet.
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Totally agree
any tyre on 215/45/17 on a light classic does mean its as good on a heavy newage in a 245/18/40.
I've tried a few t1's and T1r's on my 2 newage cars and turned them both into a understeering tyre squeeling wrecks but on my light weight V6 Type R they we OK ish. TBH I'd much prefer "Wingwang Pooie" budget tyre than T1R's.
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I run RE070 and as I live on the Isle of Man it's pretty obvious I have a lot of wet experience of them. To be fair these tyres are so good you forget sometimes. I have never got a slide or any movement out of them- almost boring. I have tried and even in the wet they're so totally secure I would say they're probably sdangerous as you would be going so hard when they do go you'd stand little chance......
I experienced a lap of the Nordenshreife in abreathed on GTR35 in just under 8 minutes and was stunned how he threw it into corners on his RE070s and again hardly a squeel at all.
Immense in the dry and pretty spectaculer in the wet too.
No idea about the cold and wet, because I swap them for Pirelli SottoZeros come October.
I experienced a lap of the Nordenshreife in abreathed on GTR35 in just under 8 minutes and was stunned how he threw it into corners on his RE070s and again hardly a squeel at all.
Immense in the dry and pretty spectaculer in the wet too.
No idea about the cold and wet, because I swap them for Pirelli SottoZeros come October.
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I using T1Rs on mine and i love them but soon will be replacing all 4 of them so i thought ill ask if i should change to F1's instead but looks like i will sticking with T1R's on my classic.