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Old 26 February 2012, 03:17 PM
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Red face A good reason to check your timing belt......

To cut a long story short, Ive had my MY06 WRX for about 3 months now. Its got full service history. But because im not a very trusting person I decided to change the timing belt and pullys for piece of mind.

So yesterday was a nice day to tackle the job, but as I took off the timing belt covers I was shocked at what I was looking at. When the belt was change at its last service it was fitted by an IDIOT!

All the guides were not fitted correctly, but the one on the crank was tight down to the belt. Its been melting away at the belt, im so lucky I spotted it!

Its easy for you guys to check your by removing the coolant bottle and removing the right cover, its worth the 5 min job!

Here's what I found:




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Old 26 February 2012, 04:12 PM
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Lucky it never snapped!
Old 26 February 2012, 04:13 PM
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Tell me about it, so pleased i caught it in time!
Old 26 February 2012, 04:40 PM
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Bloody hell! So lucky you checked it! How many miles had it done like that?
Old 26 February 2012, 04:46 PM
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Has something hit and bent that guide over the crank?
Old 26 February 2012, 04:51 PM
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Nope its not bent, the paint has come off from the heat and the friction. It just wasn't set with the correct 1mm gap.

Its done about 2000 miles by looking at the service book!
Old 26 February 2012, 04:54 PM
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And here's my nice new gates belt fitted with new tentioner and pullys ect.

Also with the guides fitted correctly!


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Old 26 February 2012, 05:09 PM
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wooh you have been lucky...and to think a mechanic fiited that and stamped the service book....and thats why i do the work on my own car
Old 26 February 2012, 05:20 PM
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Damn that was lucky. Was it a subaru dealer who did the cam belt service?
Old 26 February 2012, 08:01 PM
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Had mine changed Friday by Foresters Subaru in Bilston West Midlands.


Is a good investment, changing it & a good job you checked it out.

Serious stuff when it goes!!!

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Old 26 February 2012, 08:11 PM
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You wanna dig through your history and find a telephone number of the place that changed the belt and phone them.someone deserves a right bollocking for that!
Old 26 February 2012, 08:19 PM
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looks bit scary that so glad you spotted it well done .

My Baby is going in to BlueBridge Subaru for Rich to do hers on Thursday this week its just not worth cutting corners with something as important as cam belt changes. cant wait for her to get sorted ready for the good weather and fab back roads
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Well spotted and catastrophe avoided
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thats why i do everything myself
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Old 02 March 2012, 08:22 PM
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Great job. was it hard to get the belt on without cams moving? how did you lock it up?

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The two on the right side are the only ones that jump. Top one must be turned clockwise only to get back in the right place and the bottom one anticlockwise. But if before you take the old belt off you can put mole grips clamping the two right cams together which will stop them moving.

Don't put too much force on the mole grips and damage anything.

It's actually a really easy DIY job if your handy with tools!
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Now that was lucky and a rather large bill has been avoided
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How much is the repair bill for an STi if the cam belt snaps then roughly? Or are there too many variables involved to say "Its going to cost £xxxx" for example?
Old 04 March 2012, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sharpy2010
How much is the repair bill for an STi if the cam belt snaps then roughly? Or are there too many variables involved to say "Its going to cost £xxxx" for example?
As I understand it, pretty much a new engine!


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Old 06 March 2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sharpy2010
How much is the repair bill for an STi if the cam belt snaps then roughly? Or are there too many variables involved to say "Its going to cost £xxxx" for example?

Cylinder head rebuild at the very least (new valves, seats and guides). Assuming a valve head hasn't snapped off and dropped completely whilst the engine was rotating (rare, but can happen)

Piston damage maybe superficial, but the indent can cause a hot spot making detonation more prone. Big ends take a bit of knock, but generally survive if the engine was previously in good shape (if worn, it may just finish them off).


As for the cambelt guides. Its a very easy mistake to make for the non-observant.....they move when tightening them up. Therefore they should ALWAYS be tightened with the appropriate sized feeler guage slightly larger than the target clearance (as the belt compresses) placed between the guides and the belt . Then rechecked upon completion. Clearance should be 1.0mm


Whilst talking about idiot cambelt fitters, its always wise to check the bearings in the idlers and tensioners rollers and 'shop manuals don't state how to check them (as they assume a mechanic knows what a dodgy ball-race bearing feels like), they should turn fluidly with little effort with no noise or play. If they spin freely with no resistance, the grease has dried out, same with noise and play (wear+dried up grease) or tight spots (dirt/rust). Water pump should also have the same scrutiny.

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Old 06 March 2012, 01:09 PM
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I got a new timing belt fitted on my hawk and then a about a week later there was a large screaming noise. Got a different guy to look at it and it was rubbing badly on the anti jump guides and was a tooth out. I then had to replace the heap, idlers pulleys etc
Old 06 March 2012, 03:26 PM
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I always run the centre timing cover removed so can keep an eye on the belt and tensioner (a common cause of big end failure type noises)




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