DJ Dunk

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If you really want to affect Petrol prices, the government is your first port of call, not oil companies.

Utter, utter cr@p [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Hit a sore point methinks

[Edited by DJ Dunk - 5/2/2002 11:46:01 AM]

Subaru_Impreza_UK

I rekon it's worth a try. What have you got to lose? Thats the trouble with this nation, no will power. In France, they rose the prices of petrol up, the WHOLE country was up in arms and didnt have any of it, the price was reduced again.

Over here we just seem to put up with it. More action needed. Im def gonna do it.

Crappy petrol prices [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Some Humour:

When Mark Shuttleworth (the very rich space tourist) returns from
space, everybody dress in ape suits. It will only work if we all do it.

Pass it on.

[Edited by Subaru_Impreza_UK - 5/2/2002 12:45:58 PM]

RoShamBo

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Ro.

[Edited by RoShamBo - 5/2/2002 12:33:30 PM]

FreeT

I'm with you on this D J JDunk

It is hit with 85% tax by the government, garages margin is about 2% delivery approx 3% and that leaves 10% is the product cost - ie oil costs 10% of 76p/l = 7.6p/l - where as the government gets 64.6p/l.

Gorvernment in UK is the problem - they have done this to reduce the countries debt, not spent it on anything else aparently.

[Edited by FreeT - 5/2/2002 12:52:57 PM]

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Heres Mr Browns email address : birdc@parliament.uk

(As per The Guardian)

Lets rip


[Edited by DJ Dunk - 5/2/2002 1:01:37 PM]

FreeT

September 2000 ?

You pay £10.00 and get £1.00 of fuel ????

[Edited by FreeT - 5/2/2002 2:07:23 PM]

DJ Dunk

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"On taking office, the new chancellor Gordon Brown increased the fuel escalator further and put three pence onto a litre of petrol in his first Budget. That pushed taxes up to 81.5% of the total price of fuel.

While duty rose by two pence a litre as part of the 2000 Budget, Gordon Brown also scrapped the fuel price escalator, saying that future increases would be decided on the basis of the "due Budget process".

[Edited by DJ Dunk - 5/2/2002 2:08:23 PM]

DavidRB

Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Messrs Blair & Brown want you to think. Large amounts of your tax disappear into thin air with wastage, corruption and downright inefficiency and mismanagement, it's just that govts. prefer to wheel out the "closing schools and hospitals" argument to squeeze more money out of the taxpayer instead of facing the problem.

Take a look here and follow some of the links.

[Edited by DavidRB - 5/2/2002 2:30:09 PM]

carl

Isn't the fuel duty a flat rate per litre, in which case reduction of the costs at source wouldn't have much impact?

http://www.hmce.gov.uk/business/othe.../roadfuels.htm

[Edited by carl - 5/2/2002 4:49:02 PM]

ADP

All, sorry if this has come up already. I was forwarded it today.



>Join the resistance
>
>I hear we are going to hit close to 89p a litre by the summer.
>
>Want petrol prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united
>action.
>
>Phillip Hollsworth, in the USA, offered this good idea:
>
>This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the “don't buy petrol on a certain day“
>campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just
>laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to “hurt“ ourselves
>by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it
>was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with
>a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us!
>
>By now you're probably thinking petrol priced at about 77p a litre is super
>cheap. Me too! It is currently 79p - 83p for regular unleaded in some
>towns. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
>to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP at 77p -80p, we need to take
>aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace.... not
>sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need
>to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come
>down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And
>we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
>
>How?
>
>Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying petrol. But we CAN
>have an impact on petrol prices if we all act together to force a price
>war.
>
>Here's the idea:
>
>For the rest of this year, DON“T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest
>oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any
>petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their
>prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an
>impact, we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers.
>It's really simple to do!! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep
>reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
>
>I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at
>least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten
>more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the
>sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
>friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes
>one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
>Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you
>don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is
>send this to 10 people.... well, let's face it, you just aren't a
>mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.)
>
>How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten
>more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
>conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't
>think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can
>make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
>
>PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE AND
>KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

WRX280

We had this posted on the MR2 Forum too! Shame most of use Optimax though

Regards

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Got this too

Esso and BP are two of our biggest clients, so I couldn't possibly comment

JoeyDeacon

And our biggest client by far is Shell...

carl

Looks like just another chain letter scam. I reckon chain letters are initiated by companies who sell servers and network equipment so that the bandwidth gets used up and companies/ISPs/etc. have to upgrade

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

And since when were BP and Esso the same company

Partners maybe, aren't they all. But certainly not the same company. People should at least get their facts straight before mailing this cr@p [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Tractor

LOL. Not a bad idea though. With a bit of concerted action, consumers could really bugger about with the oil companies. I like the idea.

The_Gza

Great idea

Especially if you are a Shell shareholder

I suggest that saving your efforts for the Government might be a better idea - given the relative percentages taken out of the price of petrol.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

This is the same old rubbish that comes out after the May Day Parades every year.

Anti-corporate crusties that don't know their Shell from their Soap.

DavidRB

In the UK, most petrol stations only make a profit from the other things that they sell in the shops (milk, bread, papers, etc.). Carry on buying your petrol and boycot the shops instead.

And as we all know, it's the 84% tax that's the real killer. My "favourite" quote was from Quentin Wilson on 5th Gear. In 1975, the British Govt took £12billion in taxes from motorists and spent £12billion on the roads. Last year, they took £34billion and spent £6billion on the roads. 'Nuff said.

Nimbus

IIRC, Mr W called that "theft"

Alpine

A pi55ed off oil company whingeing to the government is likely to have more effect on petrol taxation than the fuel protestors managed.. IMHO

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

What have you got to lose ?!

How about bringing the entire country to a standstill again because the smaller suppliers can't keep up with demand ?

How about smaller firms going out of business because of lack of transport ?

How about ruining the lives of people trying to earn a living by destroying their companys ?

If you want to make a difference, sign here and get the government take note. Biting off your nose to spite your face never helped anyone. If you want to make a difference, don't make the rest of the nation pay more than they already do.

All IMO of course.

speedking

ROFLMAO @ Subaru_Impreza_UK

Or get Penny Mallory/VBH* to greet him on his return.


* delete as appropriate

Subaru_Impreza_UK

They have to slap a big tax onit because of the oil companies! If the oil companies decide to put prices up, the tax goes up....

catflap

Not supporting the price of petrol, but if you reduce the price, then the money the goverment make form tax WILL HAVE to come form somewhere, THINK ABOUT IT, less ofr hosipitals and school.

Complain about the problm sure, but unless you have an effective solution then... its all just hot air.

I like more money for schools and hospitals, i have to sacrifice by paying tax

Just one point of view

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Oil companies would have to raise the petrol price a hell of a lot to make a significant impact.

As FreeT says - 85% of the price is tax, not difficult to see where the biggest cuts can be made

fast bloke

Wont work. The amount of fuel used by cars is a very very small percentage of the amount produced by any oli company. I'm sure someone can give us a breakdown, but prices dropped in September October last year because less people were flying, so oil co's needed to generate revenue from the motorists. They dropped their margins just to get cash flowing. They wouldn't even notice the drop in revenue, and if they did, they could only effect the price by a penny or two. Much better to get the e-mail addy for Gordon Brown. Instead of hassling the oil companies, get those 300 million people to mail their complaint every day, asking for a response. See how much they need to increase 'stealth' taxes by to pay for the new servers required to deal with that amount of e-mail.

Subaru_Impreza_UK

Unleash a nsaty virus that re-arranges the budget plans..

Petrol prices down
MP salaries down

boultsy

As FreeT says - 85% of the price is tax.

Can anyone remember when the goverment last increased the tax on petrol?

Dream Weaver

WRX280 - that is interesting - my MR2 NA runs like crap on Optimax, so I only use Esso NUL in it, or Esso SUL if there is a bit of good driving coming up

Strange!! Yours is the turbs though.

DW

PS To answer one of the questions about England not having will power, we dont!! The rich/poor divide is too big, so people who can afford things dont care, and those that cant, have nothing else to rely on - IMHO