Is a p1 a worthy replacement
11 February 2012, 08:54 AM
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Is a p1 a worthy replacement
Been thinking of a change lately. I currently have an 04 sti running about 350bhp with graham Goode exhaust, cosworth panel filter, remap, anti lift lit, anti roll bar, uprated disks and pads with 43k on it.
I am considering a p1 with a few mods, front mount, exhaust with decat, uprated brakes and a few other bits inc remap.
I am almost fully decided on making the change. Just wondered if many of you have owned both and what you think to my idea? Is it a good move, I have owned the sti for over 3 years.
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I am considering a p1 with a few mods, front mount, exhaust with decat, uprated brakes and a few other bits inc remap.
I am almost fully decided on making the change. Just wondered if many of you have owned both and what you think to my idea? Is it a good move, I have owned the sti for over 3 years.
Many thanks
11 February 2012, 09:19 AM
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Realistically, no, its a little bit of a backwards step, you would be better off going for an MY05+ car, JDM would be better still.
P1's suffer the same issues as the MY99/00 cars, maf sensors, rust (they are 13 years old after all), engines are not as strong as the newer cars etc.
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P1's suffer the same issues as the MY99/00 cars, maf sensors, rust (they are 13 years old after all), engines are not as strong as the newer cars etc.
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11 February 2012, 09:21 AM
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Well your going to get the usual P1 haters on here saying no blah blah blah, but as someone that has done it, I have never looked back, but I still have a newage for the daily commute.
I prefer the handling of the P1 and with the same power the lighter more raw feeling P1 wins hands down, but I would say (just to keep the P1 haters happy) a type R is worth considering too
I prefer the handling of the P1 and with the same power the lighter more raw feeling P1 wins hands down, but I would say (just to keep the P1 haters happy) a type R is worth considering too
11 February 2012, 09:29 AM
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If its a scratch you've had for a while then go itch it, you'll regret not doing it. You can always go back to a newage if a classic is not for you.
I love my classic but I'm the first to admit I wouldn't want to drive it everyday. They are very different to a newage car.
I love my classic but I'm the first to admit I wouldn't want to drive it everyday. They are very different to a newage car.
11 February 2012, 09:39 AM
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That's fair enough. I don't need my car for work it's just for going out etc. I wouldn't go for a newer sti I don't think, I would prob spend money on mine as its in excellent condition and Ive done nearly all the miles in it! The car I'm looking at has had the maf upgraded to a newage one. It looks as though a nice p1 is worth similar if not a little stronger money than my sti.
11 February 2012, 09:43 AM
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Well your going to get the usual P1 haters on here saying no blah blah blah, but as someone that has done it, I have never looked back, but I still have a newage for the daily commute.
I prefer the handling of the P1 and with the same power the lighter more raw feeling P1 wins hands down, but I would say (just to keep the P1 haters happy) a type R is worth considering too
I prefer the handling of the P1 and with the same power the lighter more raw feeling P1 wins hands down, but I would say (just to keep the P1 haters happy) a type R is worth considering too
11 February 2012, 09:48 AM
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I hope that isnt pointed in my direction
As the owner of an MY99 Version 5 STI type R AND an MY03 Spec C limited, the new age car is better, does everything better tbh, as ive said, the P1 isnt a forward step from a new age STI (especially a JDM
) as its mechanically inferior and has more issues (and rust).I was lucky enough to catch my Type R very early on the dreaded rot front, still cost me 700 quid to sort out though
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Modded, fmic, upgraded AP's on the front, lowered (though I will see if I can replace the springs with something better as its a little too harsh a ride atm), paddle clutch (not overkeen on that), uprated turbo (older MD series).
Most of the stuff you cannot see, really didnt need all that doing to her, just a fmic/induction kit and 320bhp and your off, but she had all the gumph that went with that in the old days of tuning (water injection etc), needed to replace a few parts (manifold and the crappy, leaking flexi pipe) with new H&S stuff, wheels are Oz 17 inch, she is sorn just now, need a few little bits doing so hopefully in the next 2-3 months that should be all sorted.
Already have the Spec C so no need to replace her, unless its with a good 80's hot hatch
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Most of the stuff you cannot see, really didnt need all that doing to her, just a fmic/induction kit and 320bhp and your off, but she had all the gumph that went with that in the old days of tuning (water injection etc), needed to replace a few parts (manifold and the crappy, leaking flexi pipe) with new H&S stuff, wheels are Oz 17 inch, she is sorn just now, need a few little bits doing so hopefully in the next 2-3 months that should be all sorted.
Already have the Spec C so no need to replace her, unless its with a good 80's hot hatch
Tony
11 February 2012, 10:35 AM
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As a daily drive the newage wins hands down but if it's something you really want you won't be satisfied until you've got it! They seem to hold they're value pretty well so selling it on after a little play shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Tony, I'm already interested in your car! At this rate you'll have sold it before it's ready to leave yours! Was toying with a datsun or another scoob....the type r may just be it! Couldn't lose my newage though it's far too much fun as a daily drive!
Tony, I'm already interested in your car! At this rate you'll have sold it before it's ready to leave yours! Was toying with a datsun or another scoob....the type r may just be it! Couldn't lose my newage though it's far too much fun as a daily drive!
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Post up a question or two on the owners site. join before you consider buying one. http://www.p1woc.co.uk/
this debate could go on for years, and has
this debate could go on for years, and has
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I hope that isnt pointed in my direction
As the owner of an MY99 Version 5 STI type R AND an MY03 Spec C limited, the new age car is better, does everything better tbh, as ive said, the P1 isnt a forward step from a new age STI (especially a JDM) as its mechanically inferior and has more issues (and rust).
I was lucky enough to catch my Type R very early on the dreaded rot front, still cost me 700 quid to sort out though
Tony
As the owner of an MY99 Version 5 STI type R AND an MY03 Spec C limited, the new age car is better, does everything better tbh, as ive said, the P1 isnt a forward step from a new age STI (especially a JDM
) as its mechanically inferior and has more issues (and rust).I was lucky enough to catch my Type R very early on the dreaded rot front, still cost me 700 quid to sort out though
Tony
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11 February 2012, 12:08 PM
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I went from an MY05 STI to a P1 and wouldnt look back. I find that the ride is much better on standard suspension, it's a more raw drive which is what I wanted.
The engine problems are hit and miss. Mines got the standard engine running 360bhp with 77k on clock, doesn't miss a beat.
Try get one with uprated brakes, mine has ap racing brakes which are far better than the brembos on the newage.
A v6 type r is basically a p1 and you'll pick one up a few grand cheaper. Only problem is that when you go to a meet in the type r and someone pull up in a p1 you'll look and this, why didnt i just pay the extra money. If it's what you want don't setting for any less.
The engine problems are hit and miss. Mines got the standard engine running 360bhp with 77k on clock, doesn't miss a beat.
Try get one with uprated brakes, mine has ap racing brakes which are far better than the brembos on the newage.
A v6 type r is basically a p1 and you'll pick one up a few grand cheaper. Only problem is that when you go to a meet in the type r and someone pull up in a p1 you'll look and this, why didnt i just pay the extra money. If it's what you want don't setting for any less.
11 February 2012, 12:24 PM
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I went from an MY05 STI to a P1 and wouldnt look back. I find that the ride is much better on standard suspension, it's a more raw drive which is what I wanted.
The engine problems are hit and miss. Mines got the standard engine running 360bhp with 77k on clock, doesn't miss a beat.
Try get one with uprated brakes, mine has ap racing brakes which are far better than the brembos on the newage.
A v6 type r is basically a p1 and you'll pick one up a few grand cheaper. Only problem is that when you go to a meet in the type r and someone pull up in a p1 you'll look and this, why didnt i just pay the extra money. If it's what you want don't setting for any less.
The engine problems are hit and miss. Mines got the standard engine running 360bhp with 77k on clock, doesn't miss a beat.
Try get one with uprated brakes, mine has ap racing brakes which are far better than the brembos on the newage.
A v6 type r is basically a p1 and you'll pick one up a few grand cheaper. Only problem is that when you go to a meet in the type r and someone pull up in a p1 you'll look and this, why didnt i just pay the extra money. If it's what you want don't setting for any less.
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I went from an MY05 STI to a P1 and wouldnt look back. I find that the ride is much better on standard suspension, it's a more raw drive which is what I wanted.
The engine problems are hit and miss. Mines got the standard engine running 360bhp with 77k on clock, doesn't miss a beat.
Try get one with uprated brakes, mine has ap racing brakes which are far better than the brembos on the newage.
A v6 type r is basically a p1 and you'll pick one up a few grand cheaper. Only problem is that when you go to a meet in the type r and someone pull up in a p1 you'll look and this, why didnt i just pay the extra money. If it's what you want don't setting for any less.
The engine problems are hit and miss. Mines got the standard engine running 360bhp with 77k on clock, doesn't miss a beat.
Try get one with uprated brakes, mine has ap racing brakes which are far better than the brembos on the newage.
A v6 type r is basically a p1 and you'll pick one up a few grand cheaper. Only problem is that when you go to a meet in the type r and someone pull up in a p1 you'll look and this, why didnt i just pay the extra money. If it's what you want don't setting for any less.
not quite right those words are they
ummmmmm They are different cars merchanically and very different to drive
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11 February 2012, 01:35 PM
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