Is a p1 a worthy replacement
11 February 2012, 01:39 PM
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P1 is based on the v5 type r.
I'm on my second type r and the P1 doesn't interest me one bit could have had one if I wanted, type r is better speced out of the box. The only thing the P1 has over the type r is abs, and it's crap on classics.
I'm on my second type r and the P1 doesn't interest me one bit could have had one if I wanted, type r is better speced out of the box. The only thing the P1 has over the type r is abs, and it's crap on classics.
11 February 2012, 01:46 PM
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A P1 is a v6 type r that prodrive were given to molest. Different drive because prodrive bettered the suspension. They removed dccd in favour of abs which i wish they hadnt but that doesnt change the fact that it,s practically the same car. Mechanically they're supposed to be identical. They even had the same ecu map i believe which is why so many went pop. Map wasnt right for uk fuel, those that werent mapped after purchase have typically experienced engine problems.
11 February 2012, 01:52 PM
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A v6 type r is basically a p1
the P1 isnt based upon a version 6 car, its an MY99 so its based on a version 5 car (even though they were registered in 2000 its older, similar to the original ford focus RS's which were MY99 but released in 2003).Mechanically no different, but not similar to a type R as they are a mix/mash of a version 5 STI saloon running gear in a type R shell.
The type R has quite a few differences, no abs, rear 2 pots, ic spray, folding electric mirrors, climate control etc.
Dont compare it with a limited either, that up's the game again
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11 February 2012, 02:09 PM
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11 February 2012, 02:15 PM
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Nope, its the same engine as any JDM MY99/00 STI, no difference.
Actually that isnt right either the P1 isnt based upon a version 6 car, its an MY99 so its based on a version 5 car (even though they were registered in 2000 its older, similar to the original ford focus RS's which were MY99 but released in 2003).
Mechanically no different, but not similar to a type R as they are a mix/mash of a version 5 STI saloon running gear in a type R shell.
The type R has quite a few differences, no abs, rear 2 pots, ic spray, folding electric mirrors, climate control etc.
Dont compare it with a limited either, that up's the game again
Tony
Actually that isnt right either
the P1 isnt based upon a version 6 car, its an MY99 so its based on a version 5 car (even though they were registered in 2000 its older, similar to the original ford focus RS's which were MY99 but released in 2003).Mechanically no different, but not similar to a type R as they are a mix/mash of a version 5 STI saloon running gear in a type R shell.
The type R has quite a few differences, no abs, rear 2 pots, ic spray, folding electric mirrors, climate control etc.
Dont compare it with a limited either, that up's the game again
Tony
All technically correct!
11 February 2012, 02:16 PM
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you fool lol
Took me months of searching to find the right P1. I acknowledge that there are a lot of crap P1 out there but if you find a gem and it's what you want then it's an amazing car. Just need to keep the price high enough so scratters don't buy them.
Took me months of searching to find the right P1. I acknowledge that there are a lot of crap P1 out there but if you find a gem and it's what you want then it's an amazing car. Just need to keep the price high enough so scratters don't buy them.
11 February 2012, 02:21 PM
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Well your going to get the usual P1 haters on here saying no blah blah blah, but as someone that has done it, I have never looked back, but I still have a newage for the daily commute.
I prefer the handling of the P1 and with the same power the lighter more raw feeling P1 wins hands down, but I would say (just to keep the P1 haters happy) a type R is worth considering too
I prefer the handling of the P1 and with the same power the lighter more raw feeling P1 wins hands down, but I would say (just to keep the P1 haters happy) a type R is worth considering too
I've owned far too many STi's now, of all different flavours. The most fun one out of the lot was a Type R. My 370/360 blob twin scroll JDM went 'boring fast' so went 'back' to a Type R (and fitted P1 suspension). It runs 330bhp which for b-road hooning is ample
If you have the opportunity of a nice P1, I would say go for it. You can always go back (
) to a new age. They'll be around for a long time, P1's wont
11 February 2012, 03:35 PM
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Thanks for all your help. It's def food for thought!! Still strongly thinking about going for it, the one I have in mind is a stunning example!!!
11 February 2012, 03:52 PM
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Cheers Danny and that's about the biggest reason for me buying it- along with the trust I have for the bloke who is hopfully supplying it!!!
11 February 2012, 04:16 PM
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I went from a 370+ newage sti to a completely standard and dont regret it for one second. I even turned down the chance of buying a friends jdm hawk sti with 350/350 and the type20 handling kit, it would have only cost 2k more than the P1 but as already posted it is a boring type of power. The newage car is a better built car and great for daily drive but it cant put a smile on my face like the P1 does
Take one for a test drive and then make your decision.
Take one for a test drive and then make your decision.
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The power isnt boring on a twin scroll, its just very linear, which is how you want the power to be, all this "nothing then shove" actually means the car is laggy, something you dont want.
Its also down to the ammout of torque that a new age JDM produces, its far higher (normally 60+lbs and much lower down the rev range making the car far more drivable) than a single scroll turbo.
All these cars I will mention now drive differently, P1 (V5 STI), V5 STI type R, New age UK, New age twin scroll JDM, they also all handle differently.
There is a nice artcle with the WR1, P1 and JDM STI's on Litchfields website (under news articles), it also demonstrates the power bands of these cars.
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Its also down to the ammout of torque that a new age JDM produces, its far higher (normally 60+lbs and much lower down the rev range making the car far more drivable) than a single scroll turbo.
All these cars I will mention now drive differently, P1 (V5 STI), V5 STI type R, New age UK, New age twin scroll JDM, they also all handle differently.
There is a nice artcle with the WR1, P1 and JDM STI's on Litchfields website (under news articles), it also demonstrates the power bands of these cars.
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11 February 2012, 05:37 PM
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Yeah i agree that the power is lower down the revs and pulls smoother than the single scroll turbo and tbh is a better drive but i prefer the characteristics of single scroll and love the rawness of a classic
Each to their own i guess.
Each to their own i guess.
11 February 2012, 09:19 PM
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I went from a 370+ newage sti to a completely standard and dont regret it for one second. I even turned down the chance of buying a friends jdm hawk sti with 350/350 and the type20 handling kit, it would have only cost 2k more than the P1 but as already posted it is a boring type of power. The newage car is a better built car and great for daily drive but it cant put a smile on my face like the P1 does
Take one for a test drive and then make your decision.
Take one for a test drive and then make your decision.
12 February 2012, 11:57 AM
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It's nice to get everyone's opinion, and based on my gut feeling and what you have said I think I'm going to get it. As long as the insurance isn't stupidly more expensive than the sti!!
I only use my car for pleasure so I think a lightly modded p1 will tick all of the boxes!!!
Thanks guys
I only use my car for pleasure so I think a lightly modded p1 will tick all of the boxes!!!
Thanks guys
12 February 2012, 12:07 PM
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It's nice to get everyone's opinion, and based on my gut feeling and what you have said I think I'm going to get it. As long as the insurance isn't stupidly more expensive than the sti!!
I only use my car for pleasure so I think a lightly modded p1 will tick all of the boxes!!!
Thanks guys
I only use my car for pleasure so I think a lightly modded p1 will tick all of the boxes!!!
Thanks guys
Let us know how you get on
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Drive a P1 and a Type R if you want the classic, alot of P1's now suffer the dreaded rear arch rot but you need to see how differently they drive, power delivery will be similar but the type R does have a closer ratio box (well 5th atleast 
) and better brakes (due to the 2 pot rears) unless you get your hands on a WR version of the P1.
Tony
but you need to see how differently they drive, power delivery will be similar but the type R does have a closer ratio box (well 5th atleast ) and better brakes (due to the 2 pot rears) unless you get your hands on a WR version of the P1.Tony
12 February 2012, 02:39 PM
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Drive a P1 and a Type R if you want the classic, alot of P1's now suffer the dreaded rear arch rot but you need to see how differently they drive, power delivery will be similar but the type R does have a closer ratio box (well 5th atleast ) and better brakes (due to the 2 pot rears) unless you get your hands on a WR version of the P1.
Tony
but you need to see how differently they drive, power delivery will be similar but the type R does have a closer ratio box (well 5th atleast ) and better brakes (due to the 2 pot rears) unless you get your hands on a WR version of the P1.Tony