leecalcars

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Watch this vid and you tell me the organisers should have stopped and filled in the hole as to many cars were getting caught in the rut...!

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...Gs&h=wAQG5kfi1

T5NYW

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As the course car went through OK and damage must have been done was by previous cars.

yes appalling but not dangerous, hence stage not stopped IMHO

When i was helping Video the Turkey WRC, I was told I wasn't allowed to move any rocks that got knocked into the road near me. Apparently i'd be interfering in the natural course of events.

Tony

Berks-Jack

iTrader: (10)

Thats painful to watch!

I think the red and White hatch that died was Jason Pritchard's car. He's run in the tempest rally the last 2 years and looks a great driver.

MattyB1983

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Stick another link up for the vid mate, I'm not a user on sadbook unfortunately.

leecalcars

iTrader: (37)

that any better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BR50J9JnGs

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

Cheers dude.

leecalcars

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comments to come .

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

That's crazy !!!

leecalcars

iTrader: (37)

Yep !

ScoobySteve69

iTrader: (13)

Bl00dy stupid IMO. They should have started warning cars straight away to avoid all the costly damage and the possible spinal injuries that may have been caused.

Megaman

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Anyone will be able to be a rally driver soon as it looks like the pot holes on their track are about as bad as the ones on the roads we all drive on lol... Could have been a nasty accident as by the time they saw it, they were a passenger, luckily most got past it ok. Fair play to the marshals trying to slow cars down or move them to the other side of the road

TurboAndy

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That's just ******* stupid. The amount of damage and would hate to think how much that little lot would of cost. As some of you have said there could of been a serious accident there.
Cars should of been warned at the start of the stage about that and marshals should of been there sooner.

L&G.scooby

That should of been stopped and sorted for sure. Just stupid not to!

abc

I was there and it was very painful to watch - especially the Nationals; the top WRC guys landed after the hole but it was a real shame to see Pritchard and Elfyn Evans come to grief and retire after serious damage.

Having spoken to officials at the time, it seems to me that the on-stage people - marshals and stage commander - sought to put out a warning to competitors at the Stage Start, but Cardiff deemed it safe to run. (There was certainly no need to stop the stage.) It was only after Pritchard's and Evans's offs that the marshals wisely decided to slow cars on the approach.

marcevs72

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the marshalls should have realised after the 3rd-4th car almost going over that they should have been warning other drivers.bad marshalling.

ALi-B

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There is a issue that after a few cars had already gone through, it would it be an unfair advantage to the later cars if it were stopped and hole repaired, as they would then set better times and suffer less damage.

Marshalls should have warned better. But nothing else IMO

abc

In not slowing cars, the marshals were acting under instructions from Cardiff; they should not be blamed. Pritchard was, iirc, running in the 20s and when his co-driver ran to them after their retirement, the marshals decided to slow cars and direct them to a safer line.

sparky113

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I cant beleive it took so long for the Marshals to start warning the rest of the cars about it!

scud8

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This kind of damage isn't unusual. I stopped rallying because of the number of times I stood my Pug on its nose or got bounced into the trees after going through bumps like that. Even when I managed to get a relatively high seeding, I was still running after 50 or so 4WD Imprezas and Evos that did huge damage to the roads. I didn't have the budget for a car that could run at the front of the field, and driving the Pug in those conditions lost its appeal after a few years.

I was surprised to read that they held off warning people at the start of the stage even after they saw how bad it was.

Darren@JDM

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My car was damaged on this hole but i think it hurt my back more than the car lol Its part of rallying iam afraid although we should of been warned about this.Most rallys you are warned going into a stage about things like this just last week on the RAC we were warned over and over again about certain sections of stages which were extremly icy

CREWJ

That's pretty mental

Terminator X

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Every car that went through got foobarred

TX.

abc

After the Nats, but before the main field's 2nd run, the FIA safety delegate came through and the marshals pointed out the size of the hole and the damage that it had caused - several competitors were parked up just off the stage - but eventually the stage was deemed safe to run by Cardiff, as I said above.

I don't compete but in other discussions of this event elsewhere, some people have suggested that since everyone's notes are going to be different, it's not easy to issue a clear warning. But that doesn't mean that if there are marshals at the danger point, they can't be instructed to slow cars on the approach.

joz8968

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Yeah and the Impreza hatch came off worse.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Few cars with split intercoolers (amongst other things )...I suppose thats one good reason to use a TMIC instead of a FMIC

Now here's one for the rally buffs: Do I recall correctly that Pre 1997 Impreza WRC cars had TMICs, and did the Legacy WRC cars retain their chargecoolers?

scud8

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Every junction on the stage will be numbered in the road book, and a decent co-driver will have these marked in the pace notes. A warning along the lines of "big hole after big jump between junctions X and X+1" would help a lot, especially if drivers were told it was a potential car breaker. Judging from when the Mini comes through it looks like it was only one corner after a junction, so most co-drivers shouldn't have had a problem working where it was in their notes.

m@t STImulation

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lot of moneys

abc

Thanks for that. It was the second of three jumps in a pretty short distance (less than 200m) but knowing how detailed some notes are, I guessed it'd be hard to put in an alteration without losing a lot time.

The location of the hole was in fact almost visible from the Stage Start!

T5NYW

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I have to agree. The same info was given to all at the start. If drivers notes are good and avoid the hazard but are slower if you interfere with moving/warning/helping you could influence the result.

As said earlier I was told not to move rocks moved onto corners by rally cars on rally route. As I could change/influence the result by interfering with hazard created by previous cars.

It did go against the grain but understood the principle


Tony

RS74

yes i agree should of been stopped