Truss

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Hi
I hope this is the right place for this!
posted a month or so back, asking about whether a STi is worth the step up from a wrx.Well you convinced me that it is, but now i can't convince her indoors or my insurance (23yo, 6 yr ncb, clean license, decent postcode, but still way to expensive).
My question is, how well will a Blobeye WRX take a few choice mods, like the STi gear (turbo, injectors intercooler and map)?
I had a go in a wrx ppp and i loved it. similar power to by ibiza but much better handling.
my understanding is that there are better remaps than prodrives, is this right? Also, withthe prodrive exhaust, is it a back box or catback etc, and will another after market dp, midpipe etc bolt up to the prodrive item or do i bin it and start again?
any help is greatly appreciated!
Ben

The Zohan

Hi,

If you mod it it will push up your insurance anyhow - by law you have to declare the mods or you will be very likely uninsured and god help you if you have an accident as you can be sued for everything you own!

Look for a better quote for your insurance, speak to A-Plan and Keith Michaels for quotes for a WRX and STI.

The money you spend modding will not really see a return when you come to sell it and could hinder a sale, a lot of people are wary of modded cars.

Truss

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yeah, i understand about modifications. my current car is stage 2 ibiza and its all above board insurance wise.
A modded wrx is cheaper for me to insure than a standard STi, i have no idea how, and the tax is virtually half. unfortunately, its the compromise for me.

The Zohan

Looks like you have done your research

still, look at suspension first. Lot of people moan about bottom ends going and engine problems - i wonder how many bought a modded or then modded a high-miles car and it went bang. uprating the suspension will give a faster car in the real world. I would deffo consider a WRX PPP. Coilovers and uprated anti rollbars and droplinks and new suspension bushes will make a big difference along with some decent pads and disks.

BlueBugEye

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White line ARB's front and rear - Eibach Springs and Whiteline ALK.

Upgrade the disks and Pads

Then De/Sports Cat, Air filter and map for 270 ish (possible fuel pump not sure on a blob)

VF34/35 plus pink injectors for 300 ish (possibly think about STi Top mount, scoop and undertray at this level too)

Truss

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yeah ive been swatting up big time! Suspension wise, i have whiteline arbs and eibach springs on the ibiza and they will deffo find there way onto any impreza i buy!
is ALK anti lift kit?
Is the transmission/clutch and engine going to take the 300 ish torque if i do get that far?
Thanks to the 2 of you so far by the way!

The Zohan

ALK Anti Lift

Transmission and clutch in good condition should handle it as long as you do not spend every waking moment drag starting it. Better option is a six speeder and new clutch out of a later model. It has been done many times, probably worth a search on here. The six speed box is pretty indestructible as long as it is a good .un to begin with. Might be worth a chat with API.

TonyBurns

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In all honesty, by the time you have thrown all the money at a wrx in modding etc, it would have been cheaper to insure an STI over 5 year and mod it.
Speak with the insurance speciallists on here, they can probably get you a better deal than your insurer at the moment can give you

Tony

The Zohan

Thats what i was getting at, it is worth half an hour or so contacting the likes of A Plan and KM.

baz995

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depends what you buy really, i wasn't in any rush so spent my time waiting for the things i wanted to pop up on here, all in £500ish for all my parts and £700 for mapping. If i had listened to Duncan and gone straight for the VF35 initally it would have saved me £350 on mapping as i would have only had to do it once

all in all not a bad return for my money and time but it depends what you want really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gufDRzl9MRI

Truss

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don't get me wrong i'll get quotes from the specialists on here, but im very very pesimistic that it'll be much difference but i'll soon find out during the week!

Truss

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Nice! what mods are you talking, VF35, IC, injectors and mapping?

TonyBurns

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Then add the brakes as the standard ones are not as good as they should be, if you go brembo then you need wheels and tyres, your clutch and gearbox will suffer, thats another 3k on to your price there 4k, I doubt it will cost you more than 500 quid more on insurance for an STI, then map it

Tony

baz995

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thanks mate, VF35, 550cc injectors, STi TMIC, Prodrive back box, center and sports cat DP, decat up pipe, walbro pump, forge dv, cold grade plugs and yep mapping by Duncan, cant recommend him enough then godspeed discs and pads with the braketec front discs, braided hoses, 5.1 etc etc

s70rjw

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If you go for an STI you will still need to mod the suspension to rid it of understeer , fit a decatted /sportcat exhaust and remap it. The brakes on the STI are better than those on the WRX and the gearbox will take 400bhp or about 50 bhp more than the later WRX gearbox.
My car is running 312 bhp with the mods you propose, but still on the WRX intercooler which is fine at this mild level of tune.

baz995

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really? i have been told clutch and gbox are fine at 340, should i be concerned

TonyBurns

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They break/slip at less, STI clutches are bigger for that reason.

Tony

Truss

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Thanks for all the info, ill have to contact the different companies but you've given me the answers i needed!

LegacySTi

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Decat exhaust incl uppipe.
Vf30/34/35/43/48 turbo
sti pink injectors
panel filter
fuel pump
sti top mount
sti undertray
ngk 7,s

and remap area 1.3-1.4 bar.

mohawk

I did all the above to my blob wrx as well as headers, handling mods, brembos clutch etc. Was running around 340 yet when I sold it and bought a hawk sti I found the difference unbelievable!!! I would definitely recommend searching for a better insurance deal and going for an sti, you wouldnt be disappointed and you don't want to be saying to yourself in 6 months time " I should have just bought an sti!"

Truss

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well, done more quotes today, the prices seem to change on a day to day basis. If they stay as they are, ill be having the Sti.

kewe

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Firstly, I have only driven a WRX PPP and not an STI so I can only go on what I have read already.

You said you loved the WRX PPP. So if I were you and you haven't done so already - get a test drive of an STI and see what you think. I'm not sure how big a difference you'll see between the 2 in outright speed?

I have heard a standard STI is quite a different power delivery from the WRX PPP and the engine may need a bit more revs to get the best out of it whereas the WRX PPP is tuned to deliver the power lower down the rev range. If that is the case it may well come down to how you like your power delivery?

ditchmyster

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These threads pop up every week and those in the know will all say the same thing.

If you can afford an sti then get one as there is no way on gods green earth that a wrx can work out cheaper if you mod it to sti levels.

Yes the insurance hit is bigger but the modding hit for the wrx is way bigger, i know as ive done it.

daz1968

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I found insurance not much difference between wrx uk sti or jdm sti but then I am over 40 so classed as an old git. I also have a lot of history with high powered cars so that may help as well. Needless to say I fell in the trap if having a wrx spent quite a lot on it then sold it and bought an sit. But must say my wrx was a good car

Truss

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Fair comments, as it stands, a STI with a remap will be better value (car wise and insurance) thatn a modded wrx.

Again, thanks for the advice, experience is priceless and as a total subaru noob it helps big time!

ditchmyster

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Mate, there really is nothing wrong with a wrx if it meets your requirements they are a good car.

But if you plan on going for 500bhp+ then start with a clapped out high miler wrx as there is no point in paying the extra for the sti when you will be changing everything but the gearbox.

Anything less and it has to be sti.

Happy hunting.

Truss

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Sorted. its going to be a 3k-4k miles a year weekend toy, not planning on spunking a load of cash on it like i have done with my current car, want something to drive hard, have fun and know its going to be reliable.

ditchmyster

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Think your on the wrong forum lol

You want an mx5 or an mr2, trust me i know

Truss

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lol, thought about an mx5, but know id end up charging it.

ditchmyster

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Way cheaper, just as much fun and a lot more reliable, honest i don't say that lightly either i really wish id have done that when i was in your position 5 years ago looking at cars for the same purpose as yours.

But i'd had a scoob before and had my head turned. 5yrs and 15k+ later im back to having to throw even more money at it and iv'e only covered 12k miles.

Not what i would call one of my better ideas.