ditchmyster

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Oh no i'm on the top of the mountain and loosing my footing.

So as the title suggests i'm thinking of going the whole hog and building a monster.

As my type r has thrown it's toys out of the pram i'm starting to think why not go mad as i will never have something like this again may as well go for it before i become senile.

So for those of you that have the magic numbers, whats it like to drive.

whats the best route to take and whats required.

ditchmyster

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Doh, wrong place.

looks like it's already started, better get a move on.

New_scooby_04

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First of all, without wanting to sound rude mate:

Can you afford it. For a reliable 500bhp on a classic, you're looking at 10k + for the engine and associated ancilliaries and 2.5k for the transmission, assuming someone else is doing the work for you.

If the answer to that is no, there isn't much point in recommending stuff.

Many people labour under the misconception that 500bhp can be done cheap. It can't

Pramas

iam in the same boat , somehow 330 hp just dont cut it , i plan to aim for 550. Iam aware of the costs involved and as the OP said its pretty much a once in a lifetime thing for most people, so go for it. Hope you enjoy it , can always do it gradually over a year or 2 if needed

New_scooby_04

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Having been there myself, and settled for slightly under 500. I can say that.
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It aint half fun!!

mickywrx

iTrader: (29)

Well, you are. Questioning someone's finances is rather out of order. This is a car forum, not banking

What components would you suggest for a reliable 500? Don't reel off the API price list though.

2.5K sounds a lot for transmission since the going rate for a 6 speed is about £1500.

stuart69

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Ring Mark at Lateral Performance,he will give you requirements and cost

mickywrx

iTrader: (29)

Under 500 isn't a reliable 500.

EH52WRX

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I have just completed by build, and all i can say, is expect the unexpected cost and time. If you are going to do it, do it right first time, and DONT try and cut corners, it will end in tears. Also, i think you will need more than £10K. IMO

EH52WRX

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£1500 for transmission at least £1000 for a clutch and flywheel

Pramas

put all ancillary in place ( fmic , induction etc ) and use somthing like a 20g to tide you over till you drop the wedge and go for the big 1 with fully built engine and big turbo. Plenty smiles to be had in the meantime

stevebt

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500bhp assuming normal things are in place would be:-
ACT cltuch, 2.5ltr block with appropiate mods, 750cc injectors and above, md321v mapped by Paul Blamire on 10% meths actually I can't be bothereed to list the rest but you get the idea

Pramas

sc54 is my personal choice but rotated maybe the way to go

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Indeed a relaible 500bhp would have cost more. I'm at the limit of the 2.5 block!

No point in discussing spec if the OP doesn't realise the ballpark figure expenditure involved. I'm not asking for his credit card!

1.5k for a 6 speed, including the clutch, flywheel and labour to fit?!?! Good luck!

500 bhp

I'd suggest something like a 2.35 block, SC50/54, forged pistons, rods, ACL bearings, supertech valves, cosworth gaskets, parallel fuel lines, RCM fuel pump, 3inch decat exhaust, Gen spec II headers, Hybrid FMIC, RCM cone filter, RCM oil pump, Mocal oil cooler, baffled sump, 6 speed gearbox, lightened flywheel, AP clutch, Ap 6 pot brakes. BC suspension if you're feeling the pinch and Ohlins if you're feeling flush. Add anything else I've missed.

Oh, dont for get labour to fit that little lot

Oh, and the Syvecs ECU to control it all

Hence asking about the OPs budget

Why would I not quote APi? That's who look after my car, and it's quality!!!!

Having been at around this level, I have some understanding of what it costs!

Learn from the best, as they say!

Ns04

Toffee

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From reading sll the hype about the 2.1s being built recently I dont think these can be ignored, especially when you consider the price of these in comparrison to a 2.33L build, I believe a SCDB 2.1L are good for 500hp.

I have an 06 spec c and am thinking I need more power, being realistic I feel the 2.33L route is out of my budget, I am considering stroking what I have and aiming for around 530hp

Good luck fella
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stevebt

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Ns04, that's a massive spend! to get 500bhp. I have more on mine but then its a little over the OPs spec

ditchmyster

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Ok, i'm thinking 2.1 stroker, i already have flywheel and clutch, and i can do alot of the work myself as i have a double garage and loads of tools, always done my own servicing and most repairs since i had my first car at 17,and i'm 45 and worked in the motor trade all my working life so i know my way around cars, so i think i'll be shaving 4k of the bill before i start.

I'm also not in a rush, as i know i won't be able to drive it until this time next year.

I may go as far as putting it together myself, it's a while since i did any engine internals and i fancy doing it again, as it's not as difficult as people think, you only need to look at some of the monkeys that work in garages to figure that out

I need to know who the machine shop is to use, to do the block work and if my heads and standard valves and cam are up to the job, V3 type r with the wilder cams.

I would also like some who has done it to list what i need.

I dont think its a big jump from where i have to go anyway apart from the obvious gear box and i even know some one that has run a type r box over 500 for some time. as long as your not launching it and stamping the gas they can take it for a while at least.

i have a simtec, fpr, walbro 255, Ap clutch exedy fly wheel, and i was going to go front mount anyway. my sti suspension is ok and it has a bolt in cage so it's a bit stiffer than normal. so just looking at brakes and engine and possibly oil cooler.

Do i need swirl pot and external pump set up.

I also have things like antiroll bar drop links and antilift kit.

DamienP1

Well V3 heads are one of the strongest out there so maybe get them ported and gas flowed.......you will find these heads on big builds.........I have the clinic do all my work but if someone knows where your from then they may know a local specialist.

I'd say anywhere between 10-15k for a good reliable build (if you put it together yourself) with some very highly regarded parts.....however you have the simtek and other things already so that price could come down.........there are always people selling stuff for cheap also so suppose you could keep an eye out on here or other sites. Maybe go rotated incase you fancy a bit more down the line lol.

only bother with a swirl pot if your going to track it........at 500bhp theres no need for it

good luck with all

ditchmyster

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Thanks for the replies guys, i'm from nottingham so the clinic is kind of local and i have had work done there, so i'll be popping in for a coffee ads

I'm also wondering about drive shafts and if there is a way of uprating my gear box and what the costs involved are, i know most go for the 6speed but i figure that 1.5/2.5k buys a lot of cogs.

Still after a machine shop and i don't mind travelling for the right man.

Alan Jeffery

When you're lying on your death bed, and they're opening up the great book, is no time for regrets about what might have been.
The man in white talks to you about Women, and your apology is accepted. He talks about Wine, and agrees that no, you didn't drink too much. Yes, you did a lot of other bad things in your life, but he doesn't mind.
But then he turns to Subarus.
You had the chance of a solid 500 bhp and you turned it down. Unforgiveable.

For eternal salvation call Enginetuner on 01752 345880.

MartynJ

The 2.1 is an excellent choice, but in my experience and whilst I have no doubt in your ability, let the man who does the machining build the engine.
Continuity of care
We can do it as a drive in drive out package, a full long engine collected and returned if you remove it yourself, or just a short engine if you wish to do the heads yourself.
Looking at the list of parts you already have, £10,000 should cover the build to 500bhp and give you a nice useable car.
Feel free to drop myself or Alan a PM to give you a proper quote should you wish.

Martyn

ditchmyster

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I'll be in touch alan, thanks for the sermon.

Get the doc's to change your prescription, i think you need something stronger.

MartynJ

And as one leaves, another one enters, lol.

simon57

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Thats just the set up i have on 2.5ltr. Having the 6 speed fitted this week.
love to get that 500 bench mark that seems to be the norm now. But knocking on 400/400 im More than happy with the result so far.

Blue by You

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So eloquently put.
I may have to use that justification with 'er indoors!

simon57

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awersome lol.

Terminator X

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Why not sell your busted car & buy one already 500hp or close to it? Save some £'s that way ...

TX.

Leslie

Are you going to go racing in it? Its a quick way to lose your licence these days on the roads. I tweaked my classic up pretty well, not as much as that though, and found it was difficult to be able to get full advantage of all its power. Too much traffic and spy cams around.

Les

greg320

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you're right there Alan, just what i thought, and you can't take it with you

Toffee

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Love it...