99greenwagon

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hi,trying to weigh up future options as regards to a ver 4 or ver 5 sti type r.only had experience with a uk classic wagon running 315bhp,how would all these models compare (type r being standard).many differences between the ver4/5?any info would be great. cheers.

chris_wrx

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version 4 more raw supposedly version 5 had the better styling and heads some say. i love my grey v5 ive had three impreza's all classics one uk terzo one wrx which i spent a small fortune on and neither compare to it the looks the handling the only annoying thing is 5th gear 4000 rpm 80 mph so motorways arent so fun

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

my wagon was a 99 but i quite like the look of the v4 type r. do the engines in the sti type r's perform better?(acceleration?)

myblackwrx

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Version 5 as the ecu can be remapped using Ecutek ,Version 4 needs standalone ecu (i'm using a Simtek).
The acceleratiuon will be better as it's down to the gearbox ratio in them rather than the actual engine my V4 type R is only running 300bhp but the acceleration,imo, is blistering (combined with decent tyres as well)

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

i wont be looking to modify it at all,would a 280 bhp type r (standard) be as good as a 99 uk car running 315bhp?are all gears shorter? does the v4 have the same box as ver5?

stevie1982

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Type r would be leaps and bounds better then your old uk car, plus not many STD ones out there any more so I am sure you will find a tastefully modded one remap, fuel pump full decat, suspension done and a brake upgrade within your budget - which is what if you don't mind me asking

Also did you not end up getting a jdm hawkeye in the end? Sure you were looking for one

99greenwagon

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decided to opt out of spending big bucks,havent come to a budget conclusion as yet,but have been looking at ver4/5 type r's for sale around 4-6k.i dont particulally want one that has been lowered etc etc,just a nice tidy example but not something that stands out too much,needs to be fairly discreet.but also needs to be as fast or faster than my uk wagon was.do like white ones.this is the type of thing which catches the eye.http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FRESH-IMPORT-1...item4aa72b4085

myblackwrx

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Gearbox info

http://spda-online.ca/modules/tinyco...ite/tc_28.html

Can't compare the 2 cars tbh as I've not driven a UK car with 300+bhp,the Jap special models are more focused than a UK car (not saying anything wrong with Uk cars) they just have a certain feel to them ,I know that sounds odd.

The Type R is a a bit odd in that you get understeer but then it can get quite tail happy (maybe a combination of tyres and my driving).

One in the add looks standard (apart from the wheels),top speed is about 145-150mph but obviously with a tmic/small scoop it won't like high speed runs but for me it's how the car can get to those speeds )

LUCKO

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been for sale for at least 6 months, imho a car for sale that long would sell if it was any good

chris_wrx

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as above its a great point to point car but top speed is not what it was built for i bought mine less than 6 months ago with all the work already done i.e rebuilt by zen, std power just better componets like sti9 crank, baffle plate and oil cooler just had it remapped to 310 ish and its brilliant i dont think honestly i wanna go more than 350-380 if i had 6 grand id be looking for a version 5 or a 4 with some money left for if things go bad

99greenwagon

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thanks for that,obviously a ver 4 will be a bit cheaper and does look more discreet with the lower spoiler etc,i assume they come standard at 280bhp.there are some nice fresh imports out there for sale,why is a jap sti type r so much better than the uk turbo? everyone seems to say it,but why?what are these really big differences that make peole think that? ive never drove one,the uk car was good,is the jap car lighter or something?

99greenwagon

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im not worried about top speed at all,just the acceleration to about 120mph.why would you think things may go bad with a v4 and not a v5?

99greenwagon

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possibly yes, but some may think that the seller is asking too much.....depending on mileage as that is not stated on the ad? it certainly looks good.

chris_wrx

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older car not that it would go bad i just wouldnt blow all my budget on 4. on a 5 0r 6 then yeah i would/have done lets say top priced v4 about 4.5 to 5grand for a goodone v5 5.5-6 in std form

chris_wrx

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lighter yes they have less sound deading no abs r180 diff with lsd rear wash wipe (like all imports) the dccd (some love it some hate it) later interior is miles better and no passenger mirror for the wifes lippy

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

you say older car but some imports are in extremely good condition with very low mileage,sometimes there are cars that are say a 97/98 model in far better condition and less used than say a 2003 model! sva imports have some really nice ones but dont think they do finance and they are quite pricey,do you know many decent places with decent garage facilities(finance/px etc) that stock nice scoobs?

chris_wrx

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i know i found my perfect version5 on piston heads and i went and saw quite a few i went on the advice of a friend view as many as you can but if you fall in love with one then no matter what else its the one id seen plenty of rough ones and some very good one but as soon as i turned up on the sewllers drive i knew and after going through all ther history it was perfect but pricey mine was originally imported by sva but ive never used them personally

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

they have a beauty of a v5 type r in white,£6995! would love it but dont think they do finance all of their stock looks really good aswell.

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

here it is
http://www.svaimports.com/details.php?ID=689

chris_wrx

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i used pheads phoned around dropped lucky im only the thired uk owner i have over 7000 pounds worth of recipts just keep looking and test drive as many as you can as one type r is not always as good as another

chris_wrx

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mine is exactly like that except cool grey

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

do you know if the ver4/5 are the same bhp/torque as standard?

TonyBurns

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The Type R is actually heavier than a UK turbo, you also have some differences between the MY98 version 4 and the MY99 version 5 STI's, so MY99 version 5 first, mappable ecu , needs 100 ron minimum, phase 2 engine, more agressive map, then look at the MY98 version 4 STI, none mappable ecu but its mapped for 97 ron fuel out of the factory, phase 1.5 engine.

Tony

TonyBurns

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Top of my head is 280ps (276bhp) 256lbs of torque (though it could be 253?)
Ok, that for the version 4, the version 5 is 276bhp 260lbs of torque.


Tony

TonyBurns

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My cool grey one is different, has a passenger airbag, any chance of putting up the trim code and we can compare? though it will be tomorrow for me now.

Tony

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

ok,no interested in mapping as long as it is quick enough standard,standard ver 4/5 type r vs 315bhp uk wagon?

surely there are alot more differences as people rant and rave about them compared to uk turbo?

99greenwagon

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so v4 and v5 the same yeah?

TonyBurns

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No, slightly more torque in the version 5 and 6 afaik, its only like 4lbs though.

Tony

TonyBurns

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Its the gearing, a uk car will need 315bhp v the type R's gearing, UK cars have more of a cruising gearing setup, the type R has more of an agressive gearing setup, always in the turbo, never really a gear that you cant miss, where as you can find yourself stuck deciding on which gear you want on a UK turbo.

Tony

99greenwagon

iTrader: (39)

ok,so would u say a standard type r would match a 315 bhp uk turbo on acceleration?(roughly?)