Cosworth CS400 price ans spec now on Subaru web site
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Cosworth CS400 price and spec now on Subaru web site
see http://subaru.co.uk/news/new-cosworth-impreza-sti-cs400 or see below
It appears to be on the same gearing as a normal STI, 1st gear will be gone in no time!
NEW COSWORTH IMPREZA STI CS400
Thursday 27th May 2010
Cosworth press shots
The new Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 is the result of one of the most eagerly anticipated automotive collaborations in recent times. The first genuine Cosworth-developed road car since 1996, the latest limited edition Impreza offers performance-car fans the thrill of a lifetime combined with exclusivity – production will be restricted to 75 cars.
The Cosworth-tuned, turbocharged vehicle is one of the world's most accelerative hatchbacks. The renowned 2.5-litre turbocharged 'Boxer' engine is transformed to produce 33 per cent more power, drawing heavily on Cosworth's extensive Formula 1 experience. The engine, which drives all four wheels via a six-speed manual gearbox, boasts an impressive 400 ps and the new model reaches 62 mph in just 3.7 seconds, going on to cover a quarter mile in 12.75 seconds at a terminal speed of 107 mph. Top speed is limited to 155mph.
The Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 features an extensive range of Cosworth-engineered components in the engine, turbo system, exhaust, suspension, brakes and wheels, plus subtle improvements to the exterior and interior styling to create a truly distinctive high performance car with everyday hatchback practicality.
Marketed exclusively in the UK in right-hand drive form, the Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 is available in a choice of three exterior colours (Spark Silver, Dark Grey and San Remo Red), and is priced from £49,995 on-the-road.
Engine delivers a 33 per cent power hike
At the heart of the new Cosworth Impreza is a heavily revised version of the marque's famous horizontally-opposed, all-aluminium Boxer engine. The 'flat-four' power unit is removed from the car, hand finished, and several internal and ancillary components are replaced with up-rated items, specified by Cosworth.
As with all Impreza 'Boxer' engines, the STI Cosworth unit features twin overhead camshafts per cylinder bank (DOHC) plus an Active Valve Control System (AVCS) to deliver variable valve timing and enhance low-speed pulling power.
The focus of the Cosworth engine upgrade was to keep the enhancements simple, efficient and as close as possible to the original equipment design to guarantee reliability and easy maintenance at regular Subaru dealerships.
Internal upgrades include high-performance pistons, which are manufactured using the same methods as those employed to create Cosworth's Formula 1 pistons. Special features reduce carbon build-up, minimise friction and reduce weight.
Forged connecting rods are made from high-strength 4340 (EN24) steel and the special Cosworth engine bearings boast a unique combination of design, metallurgy and engineering. Heavy duty cylinder head studs, high-performance multi layered head gaskets and a higher-pressure oil pump are also fitted.
The overall result is a huge increase in torque higher up the rev range, and significantly improved in-gear acceleration. This not only makes the Impreza more tractable for day-to-day road use, but also a far sharper tool on the race track.
New turbocharger and 'breathe easy' exhaust systems
An all-new Cosworth turbocharging system features a new compressor design and wastegate actuator to supply up-rated boost pressure and deliver increased power.
A unique exhaust system was developed to allow the engine to 'breathe' more easily and unleash its full potential. Larger capacity tubular manifolds and increased diameter downpipes speed up the evacuation of hot gases. The first catalyst is a non-restrictive design and larger tail pipes give the exhaust note a unique tone.
After the in-depth Cosworth performance upgrade which includes an ECU re-map, the boxer engine in the CS400 generates 33 per cent more power (400 ps at 5,750 rpm, compared with 300 ps at 6,000 rpm for the standard Impreza WRX STI), and 542 Nm of torque, while remaining within the torque capacity design limits of the original Impreza drivetrain.
Manual transmission and All-Wheel Drive system
To handle the increased power of the Cosworth-tuned engine, the Impreza STI's six-speed manual transmission has carbon synchromesh applied to the top three ratios and a short throw linkage for quicker shifting.
There is also an upgraded single-plate clutch with a revised pressure plate, bearing and disc. The gearbox and final drive ratios are unchanged.
The Cosworth Impreza's full-time All-Wheel-Drive transmission with front and rear limited-slip differentials, features a 50/50 front to rear torque split as the default, however, the torque split is varied electronically according to changing conditions. The multi-mode Driver Control centre differential with viscous coupling senses which axle has the better grip and varies the split ratio in milliseconds to distribute torque accordingly, thus maximising traction and minimising the possibility of wheelspin.
Fine-tuned suspension
Improving the Cosworth Impreza's handling, steering feel and driver feedback – without compromising ride comfort – was a primary target for the development team.
Retaining Subaru's original suspension layout and major components, Cosworth and a team of chassis engineers collaborated with Bilstein and Eibach technicians to tailor a ride/handling/steering package that was ideally matched to the new model's increased performance.
Special Eibach coil springs and new Bilstein inserts, featuring unique damping characteristics, were manufactured to Cosworth's specifications. The ride height was lowered by 10 mm at the front.
The benefits of this fettling are twofold. Firstly, there is a big improvement in ride quality generally, making the Impreza easier to live with on a day-to-day basis. Secondly, its on-the-limit behaviour is more focused and composed. The damping upgrades mean that there is less pitch and roll when turning into corners, meaning that keen drivers can get back on the power earlier and make the most of the car's Symmetrical All-Wheel-Drive system.
Upgraded 'racing' brakes enhance stopping power
To match the new Impreza Cosworth's supercar pace, Cosworth commissioned AP Racing to develop more powerful front brakes. Larger diameter (355 mm) ventilated front discs were adopted, with motorsport-style six-pot callipers featuring bespoke pistons operating on larger brake pads.
The difference in performance is immediately noticeable. The harder pads help to minimise fade, meaning that drivers can count on the AP stoppers for effective retardation time and time again.
The standard Impreza WRX STI's rear brake discs, overall brake balance and original ABS system have been retained.
'Stand-out' looks, plus new style wheels
The outstanding performance of the Cosworth Impreza is reflected in its 'stand-out' appearance and standard Xenon headlamps. The lowered ride height and wider track give the car a whole new stance which is reinforced by a new shape front bumper, new fog lights, upper and lower mesh grilles and a new rear spoiler.
Discreet Cosworth badging is carried on the lower grille, front seats, brake callipers and floor mats. Individually numbered plaques are fitted on the engine and door sills. Each Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 is supplied with a numbered certificate of authenticity.
Although the new model's alloy wheels are a similar overall size to those of the regular Impreza WRX STI model – 18 x 8.5 inch – they are lighter and stronger. Called 'Pro Race' and finished in anthracite the latest wheels from the Team Dynamics range were selected as compatible with the Subaru's five-stud design. These wheels have a 43 mm offset (the standard STI wheel's offset is 55 mm) and extend the track by 12 mm – improving handling and filling the car's wheel arches more effectively for a more aggressive stance.
The new wheels are fitted with high performance, low profile Michelin SP3 tyres chosen for their dry- and wet-road grip, durability, and low noise levels. Tyre size is 245/40 R18 and the tread pattern is directional.
Interior modifications and generous premium equipment
Inside, the sporty new Recaro front seats, the rear seats and steering wheel are all re-trimmed in Cosworth-branded black leather. Also distinguishing the CS400 are Piano Black centre stack and trim accents, and the fitment of privacy glass.
Standard features carried-over from the WRX STI model include: LED (light-emitting diode) tail lamps, front and rear electric windows, 10-speaker, six-disc radio/CD player, satellite navigation, Smart-entry and push-button start, plus front, side and curtain airbags.
Full ownership benefits
The new Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 comes with the reassurance of a three-year or 36,000-mile warranty, plus 12-year anti-corrosion cover and three-year paintwork warranty.
This is in addition to three years' membership of Subaru Assistance – a comprehensive home and roadside repair and recovery package throughout the UK and Europe administered by Mondial Assistance.
TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Body and Chassis
Five-door, five-seat hatchback, with all-steel unitary construction body shell. Longitudinally-mounted petrol boxer engines driving the front and rear wheels (AWD) via a six-speed manual transmission.
Engine
Drivetrains
Full-time all-wheel drive with centre differential and viscous coupling, plus Vehicle Dynamics Control, Rear limited-slip differential, Front limited-slip differential and Si-Drive adjustable centre differential
STI 2.5-litre / 400 PS
Name Subaru Boxer
Type DOHC, horizontally opposed 'flat four'
Capacity 2.5-litres, 2457 cc
Bore & Stroke 99.5 x 79.0 mm
Compression ratio 8.2:1
Max power 400 PS (295 kW) @ 5,750 rpm
Max torque 542 Nm (400 lb.ft) @ 3,950 rpm
Valves 16 (4-per-cylinder) with Dual AVCS
Fuel system Multi-point injection
Construction Aluminium cylinder block and heads
Emissions class Euro Stage 5
Transmission
Manual Six-speed
Gear Ratios
1 3.636:1
2 2.235:1
3 1.590:1
4 1.137:1
5 0.891:1
6 0.707:1
Reverse 3.545:1
Final Drive (rear) 3.900:1
Suspension & Damping
Front Fully independent subframe-mounted MacPherson Struts, with Eibach coil springs and gas-filled Bilstein shock absorbers. Anti-roll stabiliser bar
Rear Fully independent subframe-mounted Multi-Link, Eibach coil springs and Bilstein gas-filled shock absorbers (adjustable) anti-roll bar
Steering
Type Electric power-assisted rack & pinion
Gearing 2.5 turns lock-to-lock
Turning circle (m) 11.0
Brakes
Front 355 x 32 mm ventilated discs with 6-pot callipers
Rear 316 x 20 mm vented discs with single-pot callipers
ABS Four-Channel anti-lock system with EBD
Wheels & Tyres
Alloy 18 x 8.5 inch, with 245 / 40 R18 directional tyres
Dimensions (mm)
Exterior
Overall length 4,415
Overall width 1,795*
Overall height 1,475
Wheelbase 2,625
Front track 1,530
Rear track 1,540
Ground clearance 140
*excluding door mirrors
Interior (all models)
Front Rear
Headroom 1,024 951
Legroom 1,091 960
Shoulder room 1,430 1,426
Hip room 1,384 1,370
Capacities (all models)
Fuel tank 60 litres
Luggage (VDA) 301 litres rear seats up
1,216 litres rear seats down
Weights (kg)
Curb weight (min.) 1,505
Gross weight 1,980
Performance
Top speed / mph 155 (electronically limited)
0-to-62 mph / sec 3.7
It appears to be on the same gearing as a normal STI, 1st gear will be gone in no time!
NEW COSWORTH IMPREZA STI CS400
Thursday 27th May 2010
Cosworth press shots
The new Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 is the result of one of the most eagerly anticipated automotive collaborations in recent times. The first genuine Cosworth-developed road car since 1996, the latest limited edition Impreza offers performance-car fans the thrill of a lifetime combined with exclusivity – production will be restricted to 75 cars.
The Cosworth-tuned, turbocharged vehicle is one of the world's most accelerative hatchbacks. The renowned 2.5-litre turbocharged 'Boxer' engine is transformed to produce 33 per cent more power, drawing heavily on Cosworth's extensive Formula 1 experience. The engine, which drives all four wheels via a six-speed manual gearbox, boasts an impressive 400 ps and the new model reaches 62 mph in just 3.7 seconds, going on to cover a quarter mile in 12.75 seconds at a terminal speed of 107 mph. Top speed is limited to 155mph.
The Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 features an extensive range of Cosworth-engineered components in the engine, turbo system, exhaust, suspension, brakes and wheels, plus subtle improvements to the exterior and interior styling to create a truly distinctive high performance car with everyday hatchback practicality.
Marketed exclusively in the UK in right-hand drive form, the Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 is available in a choice of three exterior colours (Spark Silver, Dark Grey and San Remo Red), and is priced from £49,995 on-the-road.
Engine delivers a 33 per cent power hike
At the heart of the new Cosworth Impreza is a heavily revised version of the marque's famous horizontally-opposed, all-aluminium Boxer engine. The 'flat-four' power unit is removed from the car, hand finished, and several internal and ancillary components are replaced with up-rated items, specified by Cosworth.
As with all Impreza 'Boxer' engines, the STI Cosworth unit features twin overhead camshafts per cylinder bank (DOHC) plus an Active Valve Control System (AVCS) to deliver variable valve timing and enhance low-speed pulling power.
The focus of the Cosworth engine upgrade was to keep the enhancements simple, efficient and as close as possible to the original equipment design to guarantee reliability and easy maintenance at regular Subaru dealerships.
Internal upgrades include high-performance pistons, which are manufactured using the same methods as those employed to create Cosworth's Formula 1 pistons. Special features reduce carbon build-up, minimise friction and reduce weight.
Forged connecting rods are made from high-strength 4340 (EN24) steel and the special Cosworth engine bearings boast a unique combination of design, metallurgy and engineering. Heavy duty cylinder head studs, high-performance multi layered head gaskets and a higher-pressure oil pump are also fitted.
The overall result is a huge increase in torque higher up the rev range, and significantly improved in-gear acceleration. This not only makes the Impreza more tractable for day-to-day road use, but also a far sharper tool on the race track.
New turbocharger and 'breathe easy' exhaust systems
An all-new Cosworth turbocharging system features a new compressor design and wastegate actuator to supply up-rated boost pressure and deliver increased power.
A unique exhaust system was developed to allow the engine to 'breathe' more easily and unleash its full potential. Larger capacity tubular manifolds and increased diameter downpipes speed up the evacuation of hot gases. The first catalyst is a non-restrictive design and larger tail pipes give the exhaust note a unique tone.
After the in-depth Cosworth performance upgrade which includes an ECU re-map, the boxer engine in the CS400 generates 33 per cent more power (400 ps at 5,750 rpm, compared with 300 ps at 6,000 rpm for the standard Impreza WRX STI), and 542 Nm of torque, while remaining within the torque capacity design limits of the original Impreza drivetrain.
Manual transmission and All-Wheel Drive system
To handle the increased power of the Cosworth-tuned engine, the Impreza STI's six-speed manual transmission has carbon synchromesh applied to the top three ratios and a short throw linkage for quicker shifting.
There is also an upgraded single-plate clutch with a revised pressure plate, bearing and disc. The gearbox and final drive ratios are unchanged.
The Cosworth Impreza's full-time All-Wheel-Drive transmission with front and rear limited-slip differentials, features a 50/50 front to rear torque split as the default, however, the torque split is varied electronically according to changing conditions. The multi-mode Driver Control centre differential with viscous coupling senses which axle has the better grip and varies the split ratio in milliseconds to distribute torque accordingly, thus maximising traction and minimising the possibility of wheelspin.
Fine-tuned suspension
Improving the Cosworth Impreza's handling, steering feel and driver feedback – without compromising ride comfort – was a primary target for the development team.
Retaining Subaru's original suspension layout and major components, Cosworth and a team of chassis engineers collaborated with Bilstein and Eibach technicians to tailor a ride/handling/steering package that was ideally matched to the new model's increased performance.
Special Eibach coil springs and new Bilstein inserts, featuring unique damping characteristics, were manufactured to Cosworth's specifications. The ride height was lowered by 10 mm at the front.
The benefits of this fettling are twofold. Firstly, there is a big improvement in ride quality generally, making the Impreza easier to live with on a day-to-day basis. Secondly, its on-the-limit behaviour is more focused and composed. The damping upgrades mean that there is less pitch and roll when turning into corners, meaning that keen drivers can get back on the power earlier and make the most of the car's Symmetrical All-Wheel-Drive system.
Upgraded 'racing' brakes enhance stopping power
To match the new Impreza Cosworth's supercar pace, Cosworth commissioned AP Racing to develop more powerful front brakes. Larger diameter (355 mm) ventilated front discs were adopted, with motorsport-style six-pot callipers featuring bespoke pistons operating on larger brake pads.
The difference in performance is immediately noticeable. The harder pads help to minimise fade, meaning that drivers can count on the AP stoppers for effective retardation time and time again.
The standard Impreza WRX STI's rear brake discs, overall brake balance and original ABS system have been retained.
'Stand-out' looks, plus new style wheels
The outstanding performance of the Cosworth Impreza is reflected in its 'stand-out' appearance and standard Xenon headlamps. The lowered ride height and wider track give the car a whole new stance which is reinforced by a new shape front bumper, new fog lights, upper and lower mesh grilles and a new rear spoiler.
Discreet Cosworth badging is carried on the lower grille, front seats, brake callipers and floor mats. Individually numbered plaques are fitted on the engine and door sills. Each Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 is supplied with a numbered certificate of authenticity.
Although the new model's alloy wheels are a similar overall size to those of the regular Impreza WRX STI model – 18 x 8.5 inch – they are lighter and stronger. Called 'Pro Race' and finished in anthracite the latest wheels from the Team Dynamics range were selected as compatible with the Subaru's five-stud design. These wheels have a 43 mm offset (the standard STI wheel's offset is 55 mm) and extend the track by 12 mm – improving handling and filling the car's wheel arches more effectively for a more aggressive stance.
The new wheels are fitted with high performance, low profile Michelin SP3 tyres chosen for their dry- and wet-road grip, durability, and low noise levels. Tyre size is 245/40 R18 and the tread pattern is directional.
Interior modifications and generous premium equipment
Inside, the sporty new Recaro front seats, the rear seats and steering wheel are all re-trimmed in Cosworth-branded black leather. Also distinguishing the CS400 are Piano Black centre stack and trim accents, and the fitment of privacy glass.
Standard features carried-over from the WRX STI model include: LED (light-emitting diode) tail lamps, front and rear electric windows, 10-speaker, six-disc radio/CD player, satellite navigation, Smart-entry and push-button start, plus front, side and curtain airbags.
Full ownership benefits
The new Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 comes with the reassurance of a three-year or 36,000-mile warranty, plus 12-year anti-corrosion cover and three-year paintwork warranty.
This is in addition to three years' membership of Subaru Assistance – a comprehensive home and roadside repair and recovery package throughout the UK and Europe administered by Mondial Assistance.
TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Body and Chassis
Five-door, five-seat hatchback, with all-steel unitary construction body shell. Longitudinally-mounted petrol boxer engines driving the front and rear wheels (AWD) via a six-speed manual transmission.
Engine
Drivetrains
Full-time all-wheel drive with centre differential and viscous coupling, plus Vehicle Dynamics Control, Rear limited-slip differential, Front limited-slip differential and Si-Drive adjustable centre differential
STI 2.5-litre / 400 PS
Name Subaru Boxer
Type DOHC, horizontally opposed 'flat four'
Capacity 2.5-litres, 2457 cc
Bore & Stroke 99.5 x 79.0 mm
Compression ratio 8.2:1
Max power 400 PS (295 kW) @ 5,750 rpm
Max torque 542 Nm (400 lb.ft) @ 3,950 rpm
Valves 16 (4-per-cylinder) with Dual AVCS
Fuel system Multi-point injection
Construction Aluminium cylinder block and heads
Emissions class Euro Stage 5
Transmission
Manual Six-speed
Gear Ratios
1 3.636:1
2 2.235:1
3 1.590:1
4 1.137:1
5 0.891:1
6 0.707:1
Reverse 3.545:1
Final Drive (rear) 3.900:1
Suspension & Damping
Front Fully independent subframe-mounted MacPherson Struts, with Eibach coil springs and gas-filled Bilstein shock absorbers. Anti-roll stabiliser bar
Rear Fully independent subframe-mounted Multi-Link, Eibach coil springs and Bilstein gas-filled shock absorbers (adjustable) anti-roll bar
Steering
Type Electric power-assisted rack & pinion
Gearing 2.5 turns lock-to-lock
Turning circle (m) 11.0
Brakes
Front 355 x 32 mm ventilated discs with 6-pot callipers
Rear 316 x 20 mm vented discs with single-pot callipers
ABS Four-Channel anti-lock system with EBD
Wheels & Tyres
Alloy 18 x 8.5 inch, with 245 / 40 R18 directional tyres
Dimensions (mm)
Exterior
Overall length 4,415
Overall width 1,795*
Overall height 1,475
Wheelbase 2,625
Front track 1,530
Rear track 1,540
Ground clearance 140
*excluding door mirrors
Interior (all models)
Front Rear
Headroom 1,024 951
Legroom 1,091 960
Shoulder room 1,430 1,426
Hip room 1,384 1,370
Capacities (all models)
Fuel tank 60 litres
Luggage (VDA) 301 litres rear seats up
1,216 litres rear seats down
Weights (kg)
Curb weight (min.) 1,505
Gross weight 1,980
Performance
Top speed / mph 155 (electronically limited)
0-to-62 mph / sec 3.7
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Could just buy a Type 20 from Litchfield and have the same power but with 12k extra in your pocket...
I'm sure the CS400 will be epic but at 50k (same money as an Evo 10 FQ400) as someone already mentioned thats very close to Nissan GTR money, and thats just a no-no.
I'm sure the CS400 will be epic but at 50k (same money as an Evo 10 FQ400) as someone already mentioned thats very close to Nissan GTR money, and thats just a no-no.
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wasnt the 22b 42k over ten years ago? 50k is alot of money, but then again so is/was 42k a decade ago just my opinion, but i think good on subaru for trying to keep with the times 
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Isn't the Focus RS500 50K? Same as the 400HP EVO X (I've heard there is one)
I guess special edition price tags are 50K these days. What you'll find is that in a year or so watered down STI Cosworths will be on sale.
I guess special edition price tags are 50K these days. What you'll find is that in a year or so watered down STI Cosworths will be on sale.
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dunno Edd. IM already do and out of the box 330S, granted over £30K, but a remap or new ecu could see that close to 400 without much of an outlay, certainly no where near the 20K extra for the cosworth variant.
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only 45k+ from chancers selling their confirmed build slot, apparently there was only ever a handfull of cars that where actually `available` to the public, the rest already reserved through backdoor handouts probably.
its not what you know, its who you know and how much money you have!!
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01 June 2010, 11:28 PM
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Or get one of these from Immy & send it to Litchfields for one of their big turbo upgrades & all for approx £40k
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1680689.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1680689.htm
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Or get one of these from Immy & send it to Litchfields for one of their big turbo upgrades & all for approx £40k
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1680689.htm
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I would have liked to see more Cosworth branded stuff in a car like this. Not needed for the level of power, but still, a set of their CNC machined heads, cams/springs, Cosworth cam covers, inlet manifold and maybe even one of their billet cranks. Just feel a little let down with the fact it's a Cosworth and all your getting are pistons, rods, bearings and an oil pump engine wise. I know they wouldn't have done this for the price they are asking, but it could have been a much better car. It's still very nice and I would love one, but just feels like half a job. I also wish they would have made it a 3 door.
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From the news article, they're fitting the parts, rather than putting in a prebuilt short block so they're limited by cost of profit, parts and labour (presume they're using experience from Cosworth USA to do this ?) for the 70 odd cars.
It would be nice to have the long block and all the goodies you mention (plus cosworth front mount to go with inlet manifold, and perhaps a stroker kit while they're at it) to make it worth the 50k, but then it'd be more Cosworth than Subaru ?
Perhaps this should be a project for Cosworth/Subaru USA, in conjunction with the saloon shaped STI ? Eric Hsu, are you listening ?
It would be nice to have the long block and all the goodies you mention (plus cosworth front mount to go with inlet manifold, and perhaps a stroker kit while they're at it) to make it worth the 50k, but then it'd be more Cosworth than Subaru ?
Perhaps this should be a project for Cosworth/Subaru USA, in conjunction with the saloon shaped STI ? Eric Hsu, are you listening ?
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I would have liked to see more Cosworth branded stuff in a car like this. Not needed for the level of power, but still, a set of their CNC machined heads, cams/springs, Cosworth cam covers, inlet manifold and maybe even one of their billet cranks. Just feel a little let down with the fact it's a Cosworth and all your getting are pistons, rods, bearings and an oil pump engine wise. I know they wouldn't have done this for the price they are asking, but it could have been a much better car. It's still very nice and I would love one, but just feels like half a job. I also wish they would have made it a 3 door.
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sorry guys about bitching about the new cossy sti, but i feel it is just another cash cow for IM. £25K over a list price STi will buy a lot of cosworth goodies in my opinion.
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good point BS
But if someone had said "there will be a £60k+ Nissan released next year." before the GTR was released, then I'd have laughed too...
As Saint said... if they'd gone the full monty on spec (yes a bit more money but that's down to IM to reduce the base price of the car in the 1st place) I think it'll have got more die hard Cosworth fan appeal.. they've missed the point imho... not aggressive enough by far and to expensive for what basically looks like a bog standard STI with £1k's worth of extras.
But if someone had said "there will be a £60k+ Nissan released next year." before the GTR was released, then I'd have laughed too...
As Saint said... if they'd gone the full monty on spec (yes a bit more money but that's down to IM to reduce the base price of the car in the 1st place) I think it'll have got more die hard Cosworth fan appeal.. they've missed the point imho... not aggressive enough by far and to expensive for what basically looks like a bog standard STI with £1k's worth of extras.
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NAIL, HIT, HEAD
I was going to say take a bog standards STi to RCM and put some cosworth goodies on it and you would have a good chunk of your remaining £25K left.............but on second thoughts you wouldn't actually, would you?
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There you go, they could have bought the long blocks from Flat 4 at £8k each with multi buy discount. Maybe IM did get the Cosworth bits from there and that's why there was such a delay
Obviously I'm joking about the Flat 4 part, but they could have just bought ready assembled CS600 long blocks and dropped them in instead of fitting the bits they have. All the other bits do add cost to the car, but most of the different parts are replacements for what's already there, so there is some cost to claw back from that.
Obviously I'm joking about the Flat 4 part, but they could have just bought ready assembled CS600 long blocks and dropped them in instead of fitting the bits they have. All the other bits do add cost to the car, but most of the different parts are replacements for what's already there, so there is some cost to claw back from that.
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02 June 2010, 05:13 PM
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You guys are completely missing the point, and it seems the value of the upgrades (lmfao @ £1k).
It has custom pistons, machined from solid. The blocks are torqueplate honed for the new pistons, and the engines are hand build by cosworth in Northampton, they are not just a crate motor from the US. (I have spoken to the person doing the honing before you ask). Just last weekend, there was a weekend long intensive engine dyno session to double check things before going to production, to back up the lifecycle testing carried out on the complete cars. This kind of preperations costs 6 figure sums
What this is NOT, is a bunch of upgrades just thrown together by just another garage. While there maybe value in the parts that come off, its not easy to just give them back to FHI and get a credit note!
If you price up the extras, along with fitting by somewhere like RCM, you wouldn't have a lot of change, and you wouldn't have a warranty that you can redeem at any Subaru dealer in the UK, and your car, as special as it was to you, would be just another modified car that wasn't worth second hand what you had spent on parts alone.
If you don't want one, then stop bitching about and let those that do, have their moment!
It has custom pistons, machined from solid. The blocks are torqueplate honed for the new pistons, and the engines are hand build by cosworth in Northampton, they are not just a crate motor from the US. (I have spoken to the person doing the honing before you ask). Just last weekend, there was a weekend long intensive engine dyno session to double check things before going to production, to back up the lifecycle testing carried out on the complete cars. This kind of preperations costs 6 figure sums
What this is NOT, is a bunch of upgrades just thrown together by just another garage. While there maybe value in the parts that come off, its not easy to just give them back to FHI and get a credit note!
If you price up the extras, along with fitting by somewhere like RCM, you wouldn't have a lot of change, and you wouldn't have a warranty that you can redeem at any Subaru dealer in the UK, and your car, as special as it was to you, would be just another modified car that wasn't worth second hand what you had spent on parts alone.
If you don't want one, then stop bitching about and let those that do, have their moment!
