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Old 16 November 2009, 05:36 PM
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If you are changing on service, bin the OEM and go Green.
Old 16 November 2009, 05:50 PM
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i have a sti panel and its been very good. every little helps
Old 16 November 2009, 06:00 PM
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I've heard lots of praise for the green filters.

I intend to swap my standard filter for an STi one when my car next goes for service (because I'm a ***** for STi bits! )

Just out on interest, has anyone used the Cosworth filters?

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Old 16 November 2009, 06:54 PM
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I went for a K&N panel filter seems fine,but I was told not to put to much oil on it after cleaning as it could bugger the maf . So with this in mind if I was going to mod another scoob I would probably go with the Green Cotton
Old 16 November 2009, 07:04 PM
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Simota blue cotton works fine, flows well (no issues when mapped by AF), no oiling needed and can be washed and re-used, got mine at a good price from importcarparts
Old 16 November 2009, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by greatgonzo
I went for a K&N panel filter seems fine,but I was told not to put to much oil on it after cleaning as it could bugger the maf . So with this in mind if I was going to mod another scoob I would probably go with the Green Cotton

The Green Filter requires oiling too
Old 16 November 2009, 07:42 PM
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TSL do a group N version of the Green filter. Performed very well on my car before i was forced to get rid of the airbox.
Old 16 November 2009, 07:47 PM
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Got a K&N panel in the scoob and a green cotton in the FR Tdi. To be honest quality wise I don't think there is much between them. Both need to be oiled, so can both bugger the MAF. Just go easy on the oil.......
Old 16 November 2009, 11:49 PM
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I have just installed a Green Cotton Panel filter, and in standard form there is no noticeable (to me anyway) Performance increase. The only thing I have noticed is a slight increase in turbo whine. Also I just installed mine straight out of the box, obviously after modifying the fit by cutting away the rubber bits. I'm assuming this thing comes oiled out of the box, as it felt very lightly oiled ?
Old 17 November 2009, 09:44 AM
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I've just replaced an STi filter with a Green one. Big difference! Its been said on here that the STi panel filter is pretty much the worst you can get, even the standard Subaru item is better. Turbo spools better now and is definitely more audible.

Have a look at Scoobyparts. They've got an offer on Greens and mine came the next day.
Old 17 November 2009, 09:45 AM
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Another vote for green
Old 17 November 2009, 09:48 AM
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If scoobyparts wasn't so fantastically cheap on the standard Green I would have gone TSL GrpN but the difference wasn't worth it to me.
Old 17 November 2009, 10:21 AM
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Panel filters are the best mean IMHO But unlike me who has a FMIC I can no longer use the box so gone for a K&N Typoon that sits in the wing to get the cold airflow and not the engine heat!

Just make sure you get the maff scaled if you change the filter!
Old 17 November 2009, 12:46 PM
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So what's the best unoiled filter then?
Old 17 November 2009, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by motorola222
So what's the best unoiled filter then?
Ive always had K&N and never been any problem what so ever even if oiled! Never heard of anyone else have issues either.
Old 17 November 2009, 01:20 PM
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the maf theory must of come from somewhere though.
Old 17 November 2009, 01:38 PM
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Yes the Scoobynet book of myth and legend passed on from one uninformed poster to the next IMHO. Greens are so lightly oiled it's ridiculous to suggest this would compromise the Maf, as would it be to suggest a need to rescale the the maf from a change from OEM panel to K&N panel or other.
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Hmm ok so where is the best place to purchase one if these filters?
Old 17 November 2009, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 53WRX
If scoobyparts wasn't so fantastically cheap on the standard Green I would have gone TSL GrpN but the difference wasn't worth it to me.
Originally Posted by motorola222
Hmm ok so where is the best place to purchase one if these filters?
Old 17 November 2009, 01:57 PM
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Do do these actually give any gains?
Old 17 November 2009, 04:04 PM
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Not sure if the oil thing is a myth or not but when I was having my car mapped at SRR by Jolly Green Monster both Simon and Charlie both screwed there faces up when I told them I had a freshly oiled K&N filter installed
As for performance gains it must be very small, but if your going to mod then it must be a step in the right direction with higher air flow available
Old 17 November 2009, 04:31 PM
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If you look here, K&N have done some tests with filters and oils


K&N Response to Mass Air Flow Sensor Concerns
Old 17 November 2009, 04:39 PM
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That's interesting Dagger, I think that puts an end to the myth then.
Old 17 November 2009, 05:09 PM
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I have a TSL group N green panel filter and the car feels more responsive but not sure if it would give me more BHP
Old 17 November 2009, 05:58 PM
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I've had a Green Filter for a couple of years now - cleaned and oiled once a year (i only do low mileage) and haven't had any problems at all.

You probably won't notice any gains power wise (unless you're a sucker for the placebo effect) but you will hear a better sound.
Old 17 November 2009, 06:36 PM
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Cool might get one
Old 17 November 2009, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by motorola222
the maf theory must of come from somewhere though.
As '53 says many of the theories/"facts" expounded on this forum are complete bullsh*t, but have been repeated without question so many times that people believe, and repeat them because they mean well and don't know better (although they still tend to take it personally when the errors get pointed out).

Some are based on fact, but become distorted via a process of chinese whispers when being repeated, while some start from something that might have been true on one specific car, on one specific day, but doesn't work as a "rule" or sweeping generalisation.

K&N and Green are fine, the oil doesn't shed into the induction tract (although it's worth giving a new one a good wipe down when it comes out of the packet, just to get rid of any excess). Some of the other wet filters, in particular the ones covered in a thicker "mucus", are worth avoiding.
Old 17 November 2009, 06:52 PM
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good advice in this thread guys.


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