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01 November 2009, 03:07 PM
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hi im thinking of upgrading to either a v4,v5 or v6 jdm sti wagon,what are the differences between them? which is the best for safe power gains to 400bhp?what sort of prices would i be looking to pay for one with around 50,000 miles etc?where would i find one? etc etc etc,any advice on this would be a great help,thanks, oh and also what are the advantages over the current uk spec 99 which i already have running 300/300. thanks.
hi im thinking of upgrading to either a v4,v5 or v6 jdm sti wagon,what are the differences between them? which is the best for safe power gains to 400bhp?what sort of prices would i be looking to pay for one with around 50,000 miles etc?where would i find one? etc etc etc,any advice on this would be a great help,thanks, oh and also what are the advantages over the current uk spec 99 which i already have running 300/300. thanks.
01 November 2009, 04:25 PM
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You will struggle like hell to find a decent example, I'm constantly looking. I have an MY00 sonic wagon but it's EU model (same as UK) and I'm yet to have come accross something nice enough to buy and I've been looking for ages.
There seems to be very few V5 STI wagons for sale ever and I've hardly seen any V6's at all over the years.
If you want 400bhp though you'd be better off looking for an even rarer beast a V7 STI JDM wagon. That'd do 400bhp with a few bolt ons (turbo, exhaust, pump, fpr, etc) and a remap.
There seems to be very few V5 STI wagons for sale ever and I've hardly seen any V6's at all over the years.
If you want 400bhp though you'd be better off looking for an even rarer beast a V7 STI JDM wagon. That'd do 400bhp with a few bolt ons (turbo, exhaust, pump, fpr, etc) and a remap.
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01 November 2009, 05:49 PM
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Yes, again lots of little differences.
Stick with looking for a v5/6 (as you have a 99 or effectively v5 car)
The V3/4 has the older bumper style and non-crystal headlights, the v3 has the old dash, they all ahve different patterned seats.
They are all also different regarding engine and suspension etc too.
Stick with looking for a v5/6 (as you have a 99 or effectively v5 car)
The V3/4 has the older bumper style and non-crystal headlights, the v3 has the old dash, they all ahve different patterned seats.
They are all also different regarding engine and suspension etc too.
01 November 2009, 05:55 PM
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Yes, again lots of little differences.
Stick with looking for a v5/6 (as you have a 99 or effectively v5 car)
The V3/4 has the older bumper style and non-crystal headlights, the v3 has the old dash, they all ahve different patterned seats.
They are all also different regarding engine and suspension etc too.
Stick with looking for a v5/6 (as you have a 99 or effectively v5 car)
The V3/4 has the older bumper style and non-crystal headlights, the v3 has the old dash, they all ahve different patterned seats.
They are all also different regarding engine and suspension etc too.
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01 November 2009, 06:12 PM
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lol,thats a great question,one i keep asking myself but i keep thinking about gearbox etc,and i do have a very small amount of rust occuring,so i thought is there any point in spending when i could just buy an sti????? im led to believe i can only do 350bhp on my gearbox,and how would i mod more?ive already got vf35 etc.would it cost too much to mod mine more? does it justify the cost as regards buying an sti???
i really dont know.
i really dont know.
01 November 2009, 06:16 PM
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In my opinion, yes! Obviously as the years go by the cars develop into better variants. The last of the classics are great cars IMO, mine is a year 2000 (v6) and last variant of the classic and it's the best of all the classics I've owned and I'm sure it's not just coincidence that it's the latest design.
Most v4's for example piston slap from cold which annoys me.
Most v4's for example piston slap from cold which annoys me.
01 November 2009, 06:22 PM
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lol,thats a great question,one i keep asking myself but i keep thinking about gearbox etc,and i do have a very small amount of rust occuring,so i thought is there any point in spending when i could just buy an sti????? im led to believe i can only do 350bhp on my gearbox,and how would i mod more?ive already got vf35 etc.would it cost too much to mod mine more? does it justify the cost as regards buying an sti???i really dont know.
i really dont know.Pretty much the same boat as me but an STI isn't rust proof!!
Also, you're not going to get more than 350bhp out of an STI without as much work as your car IMO. You'll still need to change the turbo, intercooler, remap, etc etc
Is the VF35 fitted to your car?
I have a FE TD05-16G sitting here which I've been pondering over fitting for ages but I keep holding out for an STI wagon.
It's not about the engine on a classic STI wagon for me, it's more about having nicer looking seats, air-con, better suspension, better looking heater controls and a slightly nicer outside appearance. Plus the rareity of it.
I'd buy a JDM bugeye STI wagon in a heart beat though as they will do some good power with a few bolt-ons and they have a 6 speed box which is a lot stronger.
01 November 2009, 06:25 PM
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Pretty much the same boat as me but an STI isn't rust proof!!
Also, you're not going to get more than 350bhp out of an STI without as much work as your car IMO. You'll still need to change the turbo, intercooler, remap, etc etc
Is the VF35 fitted to your car?
I have a FE TD05-16G sitting here which I've been pondering over fitting for ages but I keep holding out for an STI wagon.
It's not about the engine on a classic STI wagon for me, it's more about having nicer looking seats, air-con, better suspension, better looking heater controls and a slightly nicer outside appearance. Plus the rareity of it.
I'd buy a JDM bugeye STI wagon in a heart beat though as they will do some good power with a few bolt-ons and they have a 6 speed box which is a lot stronger.
Also, you're not going to get more than 350bhp out of an STI without as much work as your car IMO. You'll still need to change the turbo, intercooler, remap, etc etc
Is the VF35 fitted to your car?
I have a FE TD05-16G sitting here which I've been pondering over fitting for ages but I keep holding out for an STI wagon.
It's not about the engine on a classic STI wagon for me, it's more about having nicer looking seats, air-con, better suspension, better looking heater controls and a slightly nicer outside appearance. Plus the rareity of it.
I'd buy a JDM bugeye STI wagon in a heart beat though as they will do some good power with a few bolt-ons and they have a 6 speed box which is a lot stronger.
01 November 2009, 06:34 PM
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Well if I see a nice V5 or V6 STI wagon I won't be letting you know lol
I did get offered one a while back but it was too high on the mileage for me. That's my other worry, my car is so genuine and pretty rare anyway in sonic blue and it's only done 75k from new. A lot of imports have bollox mileage IMO, I've sen ones wit supposedly a lot less miles than mine and they look in terrible condition.. worn steering wheels, gear ****, tired interior in general and nasty engine bays. Finding one is tricky enough, but finding a genuinely nice example is a whole new ball game.
The only way I reckon you'd get something decent is to speak to somene like Newera who could possibly source one on Japan and get it shipped over but the exchange rate isn't great for us at the moment I don't think.
I did get offered one a while back but it was too high on the mileage for me. That's my other worry, my car is so genuine and pretty rare anyway in sonic blue and it's only done 75k from new. A lot of imports have bollox mileage IMO, I've sen ones wit supposedly a lot less miles than mine and they look in terrible condition.. worn steering wheels, gear ****, tired interior in general and nasty engine bays. Finding one is tricky enough, but finding a genuinely nice example is a whole new ball game.
The only way I reckon you'd get something decent is to speak to somene like Newera who could possibly source one on Japan and get it shipped over but the exchange rate isn't great for us at the moment I don't think.
01 November 2009, 06:40 PM
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Well if I see a nice V5 or V6 STI wagon I won't be letting you know lol
I did get offered one a while back but it was too high on the mileage for me. That's my other worry, my car is so genuine and pretty rare anyway in sonic blue and it's only done 75k from new. A lot of imports have bollox mileage IMO, I've sen ones wit supposedly a lot less miles than mine and they look in terrible condition.. worn steering wheels, gear ****, tired interior in general and nasty engine bays. Finding one is tricky enough, but finding a genuinely nice example is a whole new ball game.
The only way I reckon you'd get something decent is to speak to somene like Newera who could possibly source one on Japan and get it shipped over but the exchange rate isn't great for us at the moment I don't think.
I did get offered one a while back but it was too high on the mileage for me. That's my other worry, my car is so genuine and pretty rare anyway in sonic blue and it's only done 75k from new. A lot of imports have bollox mileage IMO, I've sen ones wit supposedly a lot less miles than mine and they look in terrible condition.. worn steering wheels, gear ****, tired interior in general and nasty engine bays. Finding one is tricky enough, but finding a genuinely nice example is a whole new ball game.
The only way I reckon you'd get something decent is to speak to somene like Newera who could possibly source one on Japan and get it shipped over but the exchange rate isn't great for us at the moment I don't think.
01 November 2009, 07:12 PM
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You understand that it will cost you the same to mod a JDM STI wagon as it will do your UK car to 400bhp? both will require the same upgrades to ensure reliability (pistons/rods/crank/bearings/clutch/gearbox/brakes/fmic etc) and the cost really does outweigh the effort of going to buy another classic when as said, a new age (and rare) STI wagon will cost you less for more BHP/Torque, you just have to find one 
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01 November 2009, 07:58 PM
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You understand that it will cost you the same to mod a JDM STI wagon as it will do your UK car to 400bhp? both will require the same upgrades to ensure reliability (pistons/rods/crank/bearings/clutch/gearbox/brakes/fmic etc) and the cost really does outweigh the effort of going to buy another classic when as said, a new age (and rare) STI wagon will cost you less for more BHP/Torque, you just have to find one
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01 November 2009, 08:05 PM
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They share the same engine but the JDM car has more goodies as standard 
pretty easy to get the car to 400+bhp and the clutch/brakes (though a pad change is recommended) and gearbox are more than good enough to take that level of power (unlike the classics which struggle @215bhp).
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pretty easy to get the car to 400+bhp and the clutch/brakes (though a pad change is recommended) and gearbox are more than good enough to take that level of power (unlike the classics which struggle @215bhp).Tony
01 November 2009, 08:08 PM
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They share the same engine but the JDM car has more goodies as standard pretty easy to get the car to 400+bhp and the clutch/brakes (though a pad change is recommended) and gearbox are more than good enough to take that level of power (unlike the classics which struggle @215bhp).
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pretty easy to get the car to 400+bhp and the clutch/brakes (though a pad change is recommended) and gearbox are more than good enough to take that level of power (unlike the classics which struggle @215bhp).Tony
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i may regret getting rid of my wagon,whats the standard my99 gearbox capable of?how easy would it be to go further than 300/300?and most importantly how expensive lol?
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The standard gearbox isnt exactly brill, probbaly good for 20 or so more lbs of torque, some last longer than others, some go with less than 300lbs of torque going through the box (its the torque that kills the boxes, not the bhp), plus you will need a new clutch, then start thinking of how well the rods are going to hold up (chocolate rods on classics, 350 is classed as the max safe and even then the still break), plus the subaru 4 pots really suck (even with pads/discs/braided hoses).
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The standard gearbox isnt exactly brill, probbaly good for 20 or so more lbs of torque, some last longer than others, some go with less than 300lbs of torque going through the box (its the torque that kills the boxes, not the bhp), plus you will need a new clutch, then start thinking of how well the rods are going to hold up (chocolate rods on classics, 350 is classed as the max safe and even then the still break), plus the subaru 4 pots really suck (even with pads/discs/braided hoses).
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The new age is a far more composed car at speed over the classic, my classic cost me about 700 quid to sort out the rust, something that isnt a real problem on the new age cars, so you are pretty much at the top end of your engine's reliability, your clutch will struggle at those levels, new or not 
and the more torque you put through your gearbox the less reliable it will become, a full PPG build is 2.5-3k, even the "hardened" cog sets wont be enough in reallity if your going to rebuild the box as they are only slightly stronger, a full 6 speed 2nd hand box is around the 2.5k and is stronger than the PPG box, so you see its a little more expensive to push a classic up there.
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and the more torque you put through your gearbox the less reliable it will become, a full PPG build is 2.5-3k, even the "hardened" cog sets wont be enough in reallity if your going to rebuild the box as they are only slightly stronger, a full 6 speed 2nd hand box is around the 2.5k and is stronger than the PPG box, so you see its a little more expensive to push a classic up there.Tony
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The new age is a far more composed car at speed over the classic, my classic cost me about 700 quid to sort out the rust, something that isnt a real problem on the new age cars, so you are pretty much at the top end of your engine's reliability, your clutch will struggle at those levels, new or not and the more torque you put through your gearbox the less reliable it will become, a full PPG build is 2.5-3k, even the "hardened" cog sets wont be enough in reallity if your going to rebuild the box as they are only slightly stronger, a full 6 speed 2nd hand box is around the 2.5k and is stronger than the PPG box, so you see its a little more expensive to push a classic up there.
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and the more torque you put through your gearbox the less reliable it will become, a full PPG build is 2.5-3k, even the "hardened" cog sets wont be enough in reallity if your going to rebuild the box as they are only slightly stronger, a full 6 speed 2nd hand box is around the 2.5k and is stronger than the PPG box, so you see its a little more expensive to push a classic up there.Tony
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JDM would be my choice you would need it mapping for uk fuel but it does have more extra's on it and to get to 400bhp it would cost about 3k all in (turbo, injectors, remap etc).
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you would need it mapping for uk fuel but it does have more extra's on it and to get to 400bhp it would cost about 3k all in (turbo, injectors, remap etc).Tony
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JDM STI, the wrx's are similar to the uk ones engine wise, which are similar to the classic's engine wise, so the semi closed deck block of the STI with its uprated rods/pistons etc are a better starting point.
With a bit of shopping you should be able to get a decent 2001/2 JDM STI for around the 6k mark with decent mileage on
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With a bit of shopping you should be able to get a decent 2001/2 JDM STI for around the 6k mark with decent mileage on
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JDM STI, the wrx's are similar to the uk ones engine wise, which are similar to the classic's engine wise, so the semi closed deck block of the STI with its uprated rods/pistons etc are a better starting point.
With a bit of shopping you should be able to get a decent 2001/2 JDM STI for around the 6k mark with decent mileage on
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With a bit of shopping you should be able to get a decent 2001/2 JDM STI for around the 6k mark with decent mileage on
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