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05 March 2002, 12:40 PM
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Telegraph page 4 today
"armed car thieves broke into 4 homes yesterday threatening the owners to get them to hand over their keys. They stole 2 subarus and a BMW, worth 90k but were foiled at the fourth address"
Makes me seriously consider getting rid of the scoob but why should these *******s dictate what I drive. I just worry about my wife when I'm not there. Time to get a shotgun licence I think.
"armed car thieves broke into 4 homes yesterday threatening the owners to get them to hand over their keys. They stole 2 subarus and a BMW, worth 90k but were foiled at the fourth address"
Makes me seriously consider getting rid of the scoob but why should these *******s dictate what I drive. I just worry about my wife when I'm not there. Time to get a shotgun licence I think.
05 March 2002, 12:59 PM
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And then get imprisoned for 3 years for firing a shot 50 ft above the criminals head to scare them when they were firing back at you with an ak-47. You gotta love the current state of the justice system.
I watched that "britains worst drivers program" yesterday and saw a car thief steal a car and evade police for over 2 hours and putting countless pedestrians and motorits lives in the balance. They then crashed into someones house and nearly drove straight through the lounge window. They then got a £120 fine and a 3 month ban???
Something really needs to be done and I think that the political party that addresses this and sets out a revamp of the whole police resources from cashing in on every motorist via speed cameras to chasing the real criminals and give them suitable punishment, will do well at the next election. I know the police will argue that speeding causes more deaths per year than theft so is of more importance but thats because at this moment in time there are more speeders than thieves - at this rate that will change failry quickly.
I watched that "britains worst drivers program" yesterday and saw a car thief steal a car and evade police for over 2 hours and putting countless pedestrians and motorits lives in the balance. They then crashed into someones house and nearly drove straight through the lounge window. They then got a £120 fine and a 3 month ban???
Something really needs to be done and I think that the political party that addresses this and sets out a revamp of the whole police resources from cashing in on every motorist via speed cameras to chasing the real criminals and give them suitable punishment, will do well at the next election. I know the police will argue that speeding causes more deaths per year than theft so is of more importance but thats because at this moment in time there are more speeders than thieves - at this rate that will change failry quickly.
05 March 2002, 01:32 PM
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Agree with P1 entirely... I couldn't belive what happened to the offenders after watching the worst drivers program... Mind you what would happen if they all got locked up? massive prisons 
massive taxbills. You've just got to ask a) why do they do it? and b) how to stop them.
I recon (to quote a sherif) its a "Total lack of respect for the Law". I think these "kids" (you'll never stop profesional theives) should have been punished @ school. They know they can get away with whatever they want.
I also had to agree with that guy who said "I'm not the worst driver, just the most banned".. how do these ppl get insurance?! I assume they dont... It just encourages them to drive without.
These ppl just make me sick. However I know some ppl think that I "Drive to fast" aswell.
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massive taxbills. You've just got to ask a) why do they do it? and b) how to stop them.I recon (to quote a sherif) its a "Total lack of respect for the Law". I think these "kids" (you'll never stop profesional theives) should have been punished @ school. They know they can get away with whatever they want.
I also had to agree with that guy who said "I'm not the worst driver, just the most banned".. how do these ppl get insurance?! I assume they dont... It just encourages them to drive without.
These ppl just make me sick. However I know some ppl think that I "Drive to fast" aswell
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05 March 2002, 04:04 PM
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we should seriously drop the quality of prison care. dump the tellys and pool tables etc. halve the guards and keep the scum locked up 23 hours out of 24. Why should they get decent treatment?
05 March 2002, 06:47 PM
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Jeez.. this is really getting out of hand... and as so many other Scoobienetters have commented.. the current Government and Police seem powerless to stamp the crime out...
I'm still a firm supporter of the American system of "three strikes and your out"... ie. LIFE imprisonment after three serious crimes (ie. burglary, robbery, car theft, drink driving etc).
Surely even to the habitual criminal, the threat of LIFE in prison (and I *mean* LIFE) after two strikes is going to make them think twice?!
I'd be interested in YOUR views....
RichieD
I'm still a firm supporter of the American system of "three strikes and your out"... ie. LIFE imprisonment after three serious crimes (ie. burglary, robbery, car theft, drink driving etc).
Surely even to the habitual criminal, the threat of LIFE in prison (and I *mean* LIFE) after two strikes is going to make them think twice?!
I'd be interested in YOUR views....
RichieD
05 March 2002, 07:54 PM
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I agree with Richie and Juan, its far too cushy in prison these days especially with all this human rights bulls***t. Harsh prison conditions, and longer sentences are the only answer.
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05 March 2002, 08:09 PM
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They should re-introduce torture in prison like in the good old days. Some countries still practice this system. And they should have a maximum quota for revanue made from speeding fines like they do with fishes.
I'm sick of being scared sh*tless from both the car-jackers and the cops.
I'm sick of being scared sh*tless from both the car-jackers and the cops.
05 March 2002, 08:11 PM
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Yes that would be a good idea, but the government really ought to stop trying to criminalise every single motorist with this ridiculous zero tolerance on speeding nonsence. The chief constables want to get their priorities right and get the real causes of crime locked up. But like someone said on here the other day, that will not bring in revenue for this lacklustre government like speeding fines will [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
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05 March 2002, 08:31 PM
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the simple fact is that the courts are not giving custodial sentances so we have to put up with them on our streets, bored out of their boxes and skint. What else are they going to do but commit more crime?
I was once out of work for 18months and totally skint, i never once had the urge to steel from anyone. Poverty is no excuse.
These kids, and in the whole the crime that you and i suffer is from kids and sub 30 year olds, have no respect and dont care if they are caught. It makes no diference to their lives.
The only prisons that should have decent, like home conditions, are remand prisons where people are still legally inocent. If they are convicted they should know they are in prison and when they get out they know they dont ever want to go back there, even if it means being skint and bored.
Dont agree with 3 strikes and your out as thats uneconomical, i do believe in making a prison stay very uncomfortable, i also believe in giving education and oportunities to discuss their life choices. Prison has two jobs, protect the public from people who threaten the general society and reform the behaviour of the criminal. Right now it does neither efectively.
I was once out of work for 18months and totally skint, i never once had the urge to steel from anyone. Poverty is no excuse.
These kids, and in the whole the crime that you and i suffer is from kids and sub 30 year olds, have no respect and dont care if they are caught. It makes no diference to their lives.
The only prisons that should have decent, like home conditions, are remand prisons where people are still legally inocent. If they are convicted they should know they are in prison and when they get out they know they dont ever want to go back there, even if it means being skint and bored.
Dont agree with 3 strikes and your out as thats uneconomical, i do believe in making a prison stay very uncomfortable, i also believe in giving education and oportunities to discuss their life choices. Prison has two jobs, protect the public from people who threaten the general society and reform the behaviour of the criminal. Right now it does neither efectively.
05 March 2002, 09:05 PM
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1 strike = 5-10 years (more if violent) fines should go to victims
2 strikes = 20 years (hand cut off if violent) forget about fines they'd probably have to commit more crimes to pay the fines.
3 strikes = life (both feet cut off if violent) am i too harsh?
Why should they get away with terrorising inocent people, they have for years now - NO MORE!!!!
Bring back capital punishment - they have no respect or care in the world for others rights of freedom.
2 strikes = 20 years (hand cut off if violent) forget about fines they'd probably have to commit more crimes to pay the fines.
3 strikes = life (both feet cut off if violent) am i too harsh?
Why should they get away with terrorising inocent people, they have for years now - NO MORE!!!!
Bring back capital punishment - they have no respect or care in the world for others rights of freedom.
05 March 2002, 09:37 PM
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Like everyone here it worries me to have the car i have ie the worshipful scoob ,I have 2 kids which are only babies and the bread knife but i work hard for this car thats why im keeping it .
I say bring back capital punishment there are 2 many bloody dogooders for human rights this and that, they know what there doing while commiting the crime so they should serve the punishment .
How about tattoing there foreheads or chopping of a finger for each crime.
Rant over thank you!
I say bring back capital punishment there are 2 many bloody dogooders for human rights this and that, they know what there doing while commiting the crime so they should serve the punishment .
How about tattoing there foreheads or chopping of a finger for each crime.
Rant over thank you!
05 March 2002, 10:46 PM
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As a psychiatrist who visits prison it makes me laugh the general population think prison is easy.
It is a poor deterent, as they never think they will get caught. The problem is low rates of detection.
Somone tried to steal my car, couldn't and the car was utterly trashed. Still not back after a year.
All the evidence is circumstantial, even after making the statement that he and his "brothers" would steal my car to me and a trainee policeman........all circumstantial. Damned the CPS [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Courts are set targets to process villains quickly, so offering villains a reduced charge and sentence leads to a quick "yes please" 120 hours painting walls and so on.
It is a poor deterent, as they never think they will get caught. The problem is low rates of detection.
Somone tried to steal my car, couldn't and the car was utterly trashed. Still not back after a year.
All the evidence is circumstantial, even after making the statement that he and his "brothers" would steal my car to me and a trainee policeman........all circumstantial. Damned the CPS [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Courts are set targets to process villains quickly, so offering villains a reduced charge and sentence leads to a quick "yes please" 120 hours painting walls and so on.
05 March 2002, 10:55 PM
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i get people thieving off me every day in my line of business,if i had my way i would chop their bollox off
also i think the old bill need a serious kick up the backside(especially in bedfordshire),this might help slightly in reducing these sort of crimes.
also i think the old bill need a serious kick up the backside(especially in bedfordshire),this might help slightly in reducing these sort of crimes.
05 March 2002, 11:08 PM
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Relocate the ******* to where the judges live and then see how they like having their tvrs and jags done over, their houses burgled and their wives mugged. Then perhaps sentencing might get a bit more real! Judges dont live in the real world which is why they dont give out real sentences to those who deserve it! As for the police, I don't blame the traffic copper, I blame his seniors who decide how the resources should be used, they sit in their friggin offices deciding how to budget for next year and how much revenue they need so all the coppers get sent out to nick people for ridiculously petty offences like doing 35 in a 30 instead of working on real criminals where there will be no income derived from their capture.
Bring back the guardian angels but in a much more ******* aggressive and protective manner for the British public cos the police need all the extra help they can get as they dont seem to be able to do it on their own!
Any w@nker who breaks into my place is gonna get everything he deserves, I am not being put off by the police and justice system saying u can't touch them, its my property and I WILL do what ever it takes to protect my property!
Bring back the guardian angels but in a much more ******* aggressive and protective manner for the British public cos the police need all the extra help they can get as they dont seem to be able to do it on their own!
Any w@nker who breaks into my place is gonna get everything he deserves, I am not being put off by the police and justice system saying u can't touch them, its my property and I WILL do what ever it takes to protect my property!
05 March 2002, 11:29 PM
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anders, i agree it's not easy in prison but it's not detering repeat offending so it is too easy!
And i also agree that the main issue is the fact that detection rates taken to a conviction are a joke.
Most scene of crime oficers arent even police these days, they are contracted private businesses that charge the police for attending. The guy who attended my break in was a private contractor. He only came because i insisted and kicked up a fuss about it. The reluctance to attend will be based on the costs involved with paying for a contractor, no doubt another "cost saving exercise" for the police force.
I had ZERO comeback, never heard anything from anyone, oh except a victim support leaflet in the post.
And i also agree that the main issue is the fact that detection rates taken to a conviction are a joke.
Most scene of crime oficers arent even police these days, they are contracted private businesses that charge the police for attending. The guy who attended my break in was a private contractor. He only came because i insisted and kicked up a fuss about it. The reluctance to attend will be based on the costs involved with paying for a contractor, no doubt another "cost saving exercise" for the police force.
I had ZERO comeback, never heard anything from anyone, oh except a victim support leaflet in the post.
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