andy89

Hi,im looking to buy a p1 in the next couple of months.what should i look out for?any problems in particular with them?Any info is appreciated.

cheers,andy

Terminator X

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Good choice as P1 is one of best ever looking Scoobs IMHO.

There's an issue with their engines as P1 is based upon the Jap STi V (ish) which is notorious on here for blowing engines. You'll find that a lot of P1s will have had an engine rebuild at some point. Circa £3k to sort a blown engine. Other than that it's a cracker

TX.

+Doc+

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TonyBurns

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P1 engines are pretty strong, its the map and the maf sensors that kill them so your looking at cars that have to be run on super unleaded fuel, ones that have been remapped for certain fuels (better), ones that have had maf sensor replacements etc.
That is the biggest issue with P1's really

Tony

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

are you sure Tony.
Do you not have any comment on Broquets or whatever the bloody hell they're called?

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I had a bit of a discussion about that though they are suppose to be good for 250k miles, the biggest issue is still maf sensors and a weak map and there are still cars like mine (she may not be a P1 but she has been in the country longer than all but the prototype one ) and hasnt blown her engine yet (probably due to the link ecu )
Still version 5 and version 6 cars still suffer the same problem as the P1, mafs and weak map up towards the top end

Tony

andy89

Thanks for the info lads,really helpful.Ive always loved the p1.just need to buy 1 now.lol.if anybody knows of any thing else to look out for please add to the thread.thanks

Andy

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

I would suggest that the percentage of P1s ****ting their lump is considerably higher than that of sti5/6.
It might be that those who buy sti5/6 you would hope are more savvy about what is needed to keep them afloat and that any retard could have gone and bought a P1 from the dealer network without a care in the world as to its upkeep.
But something would have to rotten in Denmark for that to be true as many, many enthusiast P1 owners still require rebuilds etc despite going above and beyond the required standards.
I used to have a uk99 with the fabled chocolate MAF and I have to say that I had an early maf failure (although the symptoms were so obvious that I knew something was amiss and you'd had to have been a tard to boot it running like that!) but when I replaced I used a green spot MAF and that was the last of my issues upto and including 380bhp/1.7bar and numerous trackdays, high speed runs and the nordshleife.

Interesting that the chap who promotes broquest was very vocal in the early days now we hear almost nothing about them.
Was a pretty smart trick to convince the prodrive people though

+Doc+

I would say a good percent of P1's blow up due to oil starvation and oild cooking also, get yourself some defi's so you can tell the early warning signs.
1000 P1's, say 300 avid readers, there are going to be a high percentage of horror stories aren't there?
Broquets? a search makes some hilarious reading.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

oil starvation?
What in the pick up and delivery is different from a P1 to say an sti5 or even a version1 stiRA?
I would say nothing.

unless you mean the owners

Also, I hate to break the news but DEFI oil temp goes up, pressure goes down, the damage is done.

+Doc+

Ive had the (dis)pleasure of reading a lot of 'my engine's blown' threads on P1woc and there are a great deal revolving around, maf failure, oil temp levels and oil pump failure.
What also would contribute is the fact half the first time buyers would have put shiess fuel in many years ago as they would not have been clued up.
Damage done, det knock caboom later on.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

The same percentage of failures on all cars buddy relating to oil pump.

The P1 sucks because of the Broquets imo and the mapping.
Every other part is the same as the other gc8s of my99 so it cannot be that.

EddScott

You could always look for a P1 with an already blown engine. Nothing to say the car might be excellent but the owner just can't afford the repair bill or has no means to pay it.

Pick it up for what 4K? Give it to API and £3K and pick it up from them with a running engine and warranty. Job done for £7K.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

Can buy P1s for less than that good and running mate.
No longer a decent option really.

+Doc+

Ill agree to disagree, the scare mongers have put broquets in your brain

Interesting poll on p1woc though, seems it's not all doom and gloom:

engine failure poll
A. original engine, standard
40%
40% [ 68 ]
B. original engine, modified
23%
23% [ 40 ]
C. new or rebuilt engine, <30K miles, standard
2%
2% [ 4 ]
D. new or rebuilt engine, <30K miles, modified
0%
0% [ 0 ]
E. new or rebuilt engine, 30-50K miles, standard
8%
8% [ 14 ]
F. new or rebuilt engine, 30-50K miles, modified
4%
4% [ 8 ]
G. new or rebuilt engine, 50-70K miles, standard
9%
9% [ 16 ]
H. new or rebuilt engine, 50-70K miles, modified
4%
4% [ 7 ]
I. new or rebuilt engine, +70K miles, standard
4%
4% [ 7 ]
J. new or rebuilt engine, +70K miles, modified
3%
3% [ 6 ]

EddScott

I know but if you buy a P1 for £6K and the engine goes on that its another 3K to fix. Rather start off with a rebuilt engine so at least you know how its been treated. least thats what I think

Darc174

iTrader: (13)

my mate is selling his,

mint con 52k on the clock,

£7k

pm if intrested

darc

andy89

Cheers for all the info lads!


Would be interested mate but i need to wait til the funds clear from the buyer of my car.I'll give you a pm over the next couple of weeks when i have the cash ready!thanks

andy

scooby1doo1

iTrader: (7)

What is the diff from a p1 and a my00 standard uk, apart from looks and power.
I.E drive train, engine, gear box. As i have wanted a p1, and dont see the point of modin anymore as the reddies can go to a p1.

+Doc+

They are so many differences it's hard to list them.
The P1 is a Jap sti basically but better as it has been refined for Uk roads
I have owned both and they are completely different cars.

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

IIRC we had Mike Wood from Prodrive come on here and state that it wasn't in their remit to re-map the P1, which corresponds with what some reputable mappers on here were saying about the P1 having a Sti 5 map (i.e. optimised for 100RON fuel) Combined with the good ole MAF fragility etc.. it's not surprising that quite a few bottom ends said cheerio!

Ns04

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

The P1 should run on 100ron fuel, we cannot get it here at sensible money (my local BP does 102RON fuel but at £2.50/l!)
So to make up the short fall they slung in barbeque fuel

From your results above, over a third of owners have had to replace the engine
That's **** poor in anyone's book.
So if I buy 3 P1's, at least 1 will blow up, ouch.

[-(o)-]

iTrader: (1)

I'm biased, but have you considered an STi 5/6? Unless you're specifically after a 2 door the only real difference is slighty stiffer suspension.

As for the engine you can certainly minimse any risk (real or imagined) by treating it properly and adding some degree of knock detection...

jonny_693

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+1

Gordo

My P1 blew up (Maf problems lead to over-fuelling etc - I still believe it was the dealer - it blew up within 200 miles of a MAF swap and full service - i.e. as soon as it was pushed hard. We believe they didn't manually crank it to get the oil round properly before the ran it.) - had it re-built, and now mapped to only run on Optimax. Had it from new and hands up I didn't know it was mapped for 100RON and occasionally put lower grade fuel in as didn't always have any choice (we lived in Scotland then). Am now obsessive about it and love it to bits - mapped, racing fuel pump, down to one (racing) cast, AP 6 pots etc etc. running 320bhp (didn't want more as don't want it stressed) and it's a delight to drive. I'll happily spend on another engine for it if it ever goes again.

Go for it - still the best looking scoob IMO (not that I'm biased ) - all the two door classics are great.

Gordo