MrMajic

Hi all, as the title really. I've got an MY06 Spec D and wondering if people think that the £1700 PPP pack is worth doing? I always use V-Power anyway, but wouldn't want it to do a LOT less mpg.

I'd be interested to hear from others that have had it done regarding performace, mpg and the dreaded insurance hike..

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I've had my 07 WRX done, as it was the most realistic option due to my location, rather than a remap by a specialist. Also didn't want to affect my warranty. My MPG has improved by about 10%, again, bear in mind that my driving is mostly "urban". Performance increase, well the power delivery is much more flexible, and yes, it's faster. I changed my insurance provider, and my premium actually went down

All in all I'm very happy with my PPP, oh, and I didn't have to pay VAT so it's better value for money.

MrMajic

Your fuel consumption went down? I'm surprised at that.

Any opinion on what it does for the longevity of the engine - does it put more strain on it?

Aaron1978

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are you only thinking of the ppp because of warranty? there is better performance/value for money if you go to a specialist tuner, oh and after getting my ppp'd 05 sti remapped i get better mpg. insurance is dependent on your insurance company age etc. if your not bothered too much about your warranty then i wouldn't bother with the ppp.

aaron

MrMajic

No, I'm just not really into 'modding' cars, but that fact that it's manufacturer approved means that it's an option for me.

Am I right in thinking that the mechanics of car are up to it, and that a non PPP car is essentially de-tuned?

Aaron1978

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pretty much yeah, the engine is way below its limits. a specialist remap will get you almost the same power (bit higher) that prodrive offer. you can use identical parts too. the prodrive map is generic, where as custom mapping is done for your exact car. the prodrive map has a lot of leway(spelling) as every car is different.

Aaron

MrMajic

I take your point regarding PPP, but they are the only company that's "approved" by Subaru aren't they?

scoobyboy

yes and you also benefit from the subaru 3 yr 60k miles warranty so if something does go wrong with it it will be replaced free.

how many specialists do that!

MrMajic

Is that 3 years from installation? and would it include damage done to other parts caused by the PPP?

Aaron1978

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prodrive don't offer warranty, it just keeps subaru's warranty valid but only for 3yrs from new unless you extend it.

Aaron

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The PPP is covered as part of the car's warranty, so in my case that was 18 months from the end. It makes no changes to the warranty conditions.

MrMajic

OK thanks. Mine's "56" so still under warranty. Can you pay per year once it runds out? If so, any idea how much?

Aaron1978

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just out of interest when is your warranty up must only be a year or so left? like i said before if you worried about the warranty ppp is for you. If it was me i wouldn't bother with ppp again.

Aaron

MrMajic

I expect it'll be late 2009

MrMajic

Why wouldn't you bother with PPP again? Just because of the warranty, or did it not do what you had hoped?

Aaron1978

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its not worth the cost tbh mate, the figures prodrive claim aren't accurate. the warranty is good in regard to suspension problems, yourself would probably think the difference in performance is great, but just added different spark plugs and backbox and filter and remapped and got around 50bhp more than the ppp gave me.just my opinion mind.

Aaron

MrMajic

hmm, ok. I'm thinking it's a probable "yes" at the moment. I take your point that there's other ways to get more for less money, but with the warranty it's Prodrive or nothing for me.

ditchmyster

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If i were you i'd wait if your so worried about warranty! put the money into premium bonds or something else. Because ppp is expensive for the gains, do a bit more research, and you will find for that sort of cash you could get better performance and a whole host of handling mods which imo will make it a much better car than ppp ever could.
Lets face it with the current depreciation if you decide to sell it after the warranty runs out your going to take a really big hit so you may as well keep it for 5 years in which case there is no need to rush into ppp. if your money is burning a hole in your pocket go and get it laser aligned that alone will increase your enjoyment as it will handle significantly better thus increasing entry and exit speeds when cornering, and do a couple of track days which can be had quite cheaply at this time of year.. just make sure you insure it for the day with someone like competition insurance..

The Trooper 1815

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You won't get much change out of 500 notes to extend.


it may be more now

MrMajic

It's certainally an option to wait, the reason why I was considering PPP is because it's "approved" by Subaru. I don't normally go in for modifications, I've always kept previous cars/bikes standard.

That said, I do fancy being the other side of 300bhp - and the thought of improved mpg is good also. I will do a track day some time also which I'm sure will be beneficial, but won't alter the car (obviously). I do find myself at the 6k "beep" (that I've set) fairly often, so was thinking that more bhp and torque may be beneficial.

Is the PPP back box a little more vocal than the standard one on a Spec D? I never thought I'd say it, but I wouldn't mind a slightly louder note.

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iTrader: (41)

STi PPP you get...

I personally wouldn't bother on a MY06. The PPP parts are easy to replicate and get mapped conservatively

MrMajic

Get what? (not being funny - do you mean it's not worth it?)

It costs £1,700.00 from the dealers, how much would a similar spec upgrade cost at another tuner? If it's relatively close I'd still get the PPP, because that's just how I am!

greatgonzo

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Hi I also have a 2006 spec D and when I bought mine I didn't want any thing but pro drive.But now I think i will wait till the warranty runs out and just replicate the parts and get a remap. look on EBay loads of pro drive bits.
I got a good clean pro drive back box for £100.00 and I will slowly get all the bits I need.
But saying that if you have £1700.00 and you can part with it all I think you will be happy with it and its job done no hassle!!!!!

MrMajic

Thanks, I'm not really the sort to DIY car stuff, although I'll happily botch up our house! "job done no hassle" sounds good to me!

greatgonzo

iTrader: (1)

don't get me wrong I'm not either I took the back box to a local Tyre place charged me £25.00 dint want to get my hands dirty
before you splash the cash why don't you speak to a specialist tuner you might be surprised (More power less money)

MrMajic

Yes, that's been suggested. The reason I would go for PPP is that it's "approved" by Subaru. There must be a good reason for this. It could even be that the fact that others get more bhp is because they push it too far - whereas PPP keep it within the capabilities of the engine.

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iTrader: (41)

I order to make the decison you need to understand what parts you are getting and what they do to your car. The parts are so few its quite surprising.

You need/get -

• Decat rear centre pipe - full price new £100
• Fuel pump - full price new - £85 (some argue unecessary)
• Unecessary back box change - do not buy !
• Generic map change - full price new - £450 - 550 depending on mapper

PPP has it's place and for the unaware or overly cautious it's great. For my money I chose a different and IMHO better path.

Also bear in mine dealers are rubbish IMHO and their ability to install PPP has been proved beyond them in some cases ! Decat rear centre is so easy to fit although the price I quoted would included fitting from someone like H&S. Fuel pump supply/fitting is about £120.

So you could DIY PPP with a specialist for about £700 !

MrMajic

Thanks, that's a nice clear example. I think if I do upgrade within the warranty period I'll go PPP, otherwise I think your option is a good possibility.

Anyone know any good tuners in the South West area?

greatgonzo

iTrader: (1)

Yeah I do agree with the Prodrive subaru thing its nice to keep it together.
If there was ever a problem later on it just keeps things much simpler.
It sounds like you have made your mind up now so I would go with that
hope it works out for you let me know how the car feels when done cheers GONZO

davedipster

I had PPP fitted to my 03sti after 10 Months, it was great to drive in with a laggy sti and leave with a transformed car. Since the car has been great with no engine issues and it's 5 years old.
I have nothing but praise for the ppp on my sti, if I wanted more power and some point I might, then a turbo change would be needed for what I want so a remap would be needed. It was nice to have warranty and the option to extend it with the ppp.
dipster